This is Information All SDA's Should Know Of

[Gustave]

Just show ONE of those noseeum statements where she states that the divinity of Christ is conditional.

You've seen this before Gerry.....

...What is it with SDA's where they pretend certain things don't exist?

Ellen White

Though Christ humbled Himself to become man, the Godhead was still His own. His Deity could not be lost WHILE He stood faithful and true to His loyalty.

Just like you have no argument against Ellen being a Masonic believer....

...You have no way out of the fact she just stated Christ's deity was CONDITIONAL!

...Don't worry there are MANY more quotes where that one came from.

[Gerr]

Where did she say His deity was "CONDITIONAL?"

Here is the quote IN CONTEXT.

"But although Christ’s divine glory was for a time veiled and eclipsed by His assuming humanity, yet He did not cease to be God when He became man. The human did not take the place of the divine, nor the divine of the human. This is the mystery of godliness. The two expressions human and divine were, in Christ, closely and inseparably one, and yet they had a distinct individuality. Though Christ humbled Himself to become man, the Godhead was still His own. His Deity could not be lost while He stood faithful and true to His loyalty. Surrounded with sorrow, suffering, and moral pollution, despised and rejected by the people to whom had been intrusted the oracles of heaven, Jesus could yet speak of Himself as the Son of man in heaven. He was ready to take once more His divine glory when His work on earth was done." {ST, May 10, 1899 par. 11}

The Signs of the Times. 2002.

And to get a clearer understanding of what she meant, here is another statement:

"Was the human nature of the Son of Mary changed into the divine nature of the Son of God? No; the two natures were mysteriously blended in one person—the man Christ Jesus. In Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. When Christ was crucified, it was His human nature that died. Deity did not sink and die; that would have been impossible."

The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, Volume 5. 1980 (F. D. Nichol, Ed.) (1113). Review and Herald Publishing Association.

If she says "it is impossible" for deity to "sink and die", what then did she mean when she said, "His Deity could not be lost WHILE He stood faithful and true to His loyalty,?"

It is very simple and obvious to me. The Deity and the human that "were mysteriously blended in one" would have been torn apart! The Man Jesus would have died an eternal death, but His deity that was "impossible to sink and die" would have continued as before.

Building a theological house or doctrine on one text or taking one statement of an author and say this is what he/she believes is never safe or fair.

And you still haven't answered my question. Was Jesus a REAL man or not? Was He the Second Adam or not? Was His temptation real or just a charade?

[Gibs]

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

The Father is the Head of Christ and so the Godhead.

Yes Jesus could have lost out completely if He would have failed. The Deity in Him was the Fathers indwelling.

So if He had failed God the Father would have lost His Son and all of Humanity.

No for sure Deity, the Father in Him would never and can never die as that is impossible.

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Then remember what He told Philip, you've seen me you've seen the Father.

Then the cinch up verse,

1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

When Jesus has it all completed then the Deity is returned and the Father is once again, ALL IN ALL!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[Gerr]

Gibs, you can repeat an error a trillion x, and it would still be wrong.

[Guest]

Gibs, you can repeat an error a trillion x, and it would still be wrong.

He IS persistent.

[Gibs]

Richard, Truth is persistent and stands and cannot be gainsaid. Denied if you will.

For sure we too are to have obedience as Christ showed us and we have no excuse whatever!

That is the subject of this thread.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[Gustave]

Gibs, you can repeat an error a trillion x, and it would still be wrong.

Gib's is simply repeating a fundamental belief / teaching of Ellen White....

...And her fellow Arian religious contemporaries.

...Christ deity was His to keep PROVIDED He remained true.

...If Christ "messed the bed" then the conditional deity would be extracted.

...And returned to the ONE who issued it.

Sort of like if you drink too much and get caught driving your car....

...You get a D.W.I. and your State "ISSUED" Drivers License gets extracted from you.

...And returns to the issuing Authority.

Ellen White

Satan in heaven had hated Christ for His position in the courts of God. He hated Him the more when he himself was dethroned. He hated Him who pledged Himself to redeem a race of sinners. Yet into the world where Satan claimed dominion God permitted His Son to come, a helpless babe, subject to the weakness of humanity. He permitted Him to meet life's peril in common with every human soul, to fight the battle as every child of humanity must fight it, at the risk of failure and ETERNAL loss.” (Ellen G. White, The Desire of Ages. Page 49 ‘Unto you a Saviour’)

Ellen White

Then as the glories of the eternal home burst upon our enraptured senses we shall remember that Jesus left all this for us, that He not only became an exile from the heavenly courts, but for us took the risk of failure and ETERNAL loss" Same Book, Desire of Ages

Ellen White

Had the head of Christ been touched, the hope of the human race would have perished. Divine wrath would have come upon Christ as it came upon Adam. Christ and the church would have been without hope.” (Ellen G. White, Signs of the Times, June 9th 1898, see also Selected Messages Book 1 page 256)

Hmmm, if 'God' sinned God would have been without hope...

...That's nice!

Ellen White

Remember that Christ risked all; "tempted like as we are," he staked EVEN his own eternal existence upon the issue of the conflict. Heaven itself was imperiled for our redemption. At the foot of the cross, remembering that for one sinner Jesus would have yielded up his life, we may estimate the value of a soul" Ellen White SDA General Conference Bulletin 1 Dec 1895

Ellen White

Though Christ humbled Himself to become man, the Godhead was still His own. His Deity could not be lost WHILE He stood faithful and true to His loyalty. Surrounded with sorrow, suffering, and moral pollution, despised and rejected by the people to whom had been intrusted the oracles of heaven, Jesus could yet speak of Himself as the Son of man in heaven. He was ready to take once more His divine glory when His work on earth was done

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Synonyms: so long as, whilst

So, "WHILE" I do not at all agree with Gibs that Christ had a "CONDITIONAL DEITY"...

...For the sake of being accurate we can all agree that's EXACTLY what Ellen White.

...And her fellow Arian religious contemporaries taught.

Why?

It's simple, Arianism requires it's adherents to EMASCULATE Christ....

...So that the keeping of His "on loan" deity was conditional to His towing the rope.

...According to Scripture 'God' can't fail, ever.

...Thus Jesus isn't God like the Father is God.

...Jesus is a 'creature christ' - exactly as Ellen White and other Arians have always claimed.

Review and Herald November 14, 1854

Again, where it is declared, that there are none good except the Father, it cannot be understood that none others are good in a relative sense; for Christ and angels, are good, yea perfect, in their respective sphere; but that the Father alone is supremely, or absolutely, good; and that he alone is immortal in an absolute sense; that ho alone is self-existent; and, that, consequently, every other being, however high or low, is absolutely dependent upon him for life; for being. This idea is most emphatically expressed by our Saviour himself; " For as the Father hath life in himself, so hath he given to the Son to havo life in himself." John v, 26. This would be singular language for one to use who had life in his essential nature, just as much as the Father. To meet such a view, it should read thus: For as the Father hath life in himself, so hath the Son life in himself If as Trinitarians argue, the Divine nature of the Son hath life in himself (i. e., is self existent) jusl the same, and in as absolute a sense, as the Father, why should he represent himself as actually dependent upon the Father for life ? What propriety in representing the Father as conferring upon him a gift which he had possessed from all eternity ? If it be said that his human nature derived its life from the Father, I would answer, It does not thus read; 01 even if it did, 1 would still urge the impropriety of the human nature of the Son of God representing itself as being absolutely dependent upon the Father for the gift of life

[Gustave]

And to get a clearer understanding of what she meant, here is another statement:

"Was the human nature of the Son of Mary changed into the divine nature of the Son of God? No; the two natures were mysteriously blended in one person—the man Christ Jesus. In Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. When Christ was crucified, it was His human nature that died. Deity did not sink and die; that would have been impossible."

The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, Volume 5. 1980 (F. D. Nichol, Ed.) (1113). Review and Herald Publishing Association.

If she says "it is impossible" for deity to "sink and die", what then did she mean when she said, "His Deity could not be lost WHILE He stood faithful and true to His loyalty,?"

It is very simple and obvious to me. The Deity and the human that "were mysteriously blended in one" would have been torn apart! The Man Jesus would have died an eternal death, but His deity that was "impossible to sink and die" would have continued as before.

Building a theological house or doctrine on one text or taking one statement of an author and say this is what he/she believes is never safe or fair.

And you still haven't answered my question. Was Jesus a REAL man or not? Was He the Second Adam or not? Was His temptation real or just a charade?

Of course she said it would have been impossible for deity to die.....

...The deity was "ON LOAN" to creature Christ so if creature Christ tater'd the mission.

...The deity would have been extracted leaving creature Christ a maggoty mess.

Your State issued Drivers License isn't yours "by nature" Gerry....

...You were "gifted" or 'conferred' this "PRIVILEDGE".

...If you get caught driving drunk your license is EXTRACTED.

...And returns to the "issuing Authority".

You do understand NO SDA living today or in Ellen's time would have applied the same rubric to The Father....

...The deity was "The Father's" all along - it was issued to creature Christ.

...And was creature Christ's to keep AS LONG AS He remained loyal.

Because Masonic teachings synced so well with Arianism....

...Ellen White adopted many Mason 'slogans' into her work.

...It was an effective way to continue efforts to emasculate Christ.

[Guest]

Quote:

Synonyms: so long as, whilst

Not in every context. Nope.

[Guest]

I did, no need for me to pat myself on the back..

[Guest]

Gustave, what would cause a Roman Catholic such as yourself, to study Seventh Day Adventist doctrine as deeply as you have? To the point that you know it better than most of the folks here?

I'm just curious. Why would you do that?

[Gerr]

"ON LOAN", "CONDITIONAL", those are words you are using which EGW have never used in describing Christ's deity to my knowledge.

You can repeat a false charge a trillion x, it will still be false.

"Was the human nature of the Son of Mary changed into the divine nature of the Son of God? No; the two natures were mysteriously blended in one person—the man Christ Jesus. In Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. When Christ was crucified, it was His human nature that died. Deity did not sink and die; that would have been impossible."

The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, Volume 5. 1980 (F. D. Nichol, Ed.) (1113). Review and Herald Publishing Association.

If she says "it is impossible" for deity to "sink and die", what then did she mean when she said, "His Deity could not be lost WHILE He stood faithful and true to His loyalty,?"

It is very simple and obvious to me. The Deity and the human that "were mysteriously blended in one" would have been torn apart! The Man Jesus would have died an eternal death, but His deity that was "impossible to sink and die" would have continued as before.

"ON LOAN", "CONDITIONAL"? Here is the truth from her pen.

"In Him was life, original, unborrowed, underived. This life is not inherent in man. He can possess it only through Christ. He cannot earn it; it is given him as a free gift if he will believe in Christ as his personal Saviour. “This is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” John 17:3. This is the open fountain of life for the world (ST Feb. 13, 1912).

The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, Volume 5. 1980 (F. D. Nichol, Ed.) (1130). Review and Herald Publishing Association.

Building a theological house or doctrine on one text or taking one statement of an author and say this is what he/she believes is never safe or fair, it is a lie.

In your zeal to put forward your false charges, you keep ignoring my questions. Was Jesus a REAL man or not? Was He the Second Adam or not? Was His temptation real or just a charade?

[Gibs]

The reason He had life unborrowed, original and underived is because He is an extension of the Father in the very beginning. He was Yahweh of Hosts and scripture states that name for Him 345 times in the OT. At the time of the conception of Jesus He was incarnated in that body prepared Him.

It is that simple and most make a great mountain of nothing but a mole hill!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[Gerr]

Ellen White

Satan in heaven had hated Christ for His position in the courts of God. He hated Him the more when he himself was dethroned. He hated Him who pledged Himself to redeem a race of sinners. Yet into the world where Satan claimed dominion God permitted His Son to come, a helpless babe, subject to the weakness of humanity. He permitted Him to meet life's peril in common with every human soul, to fight the battle as every child of humanity must fight it, at the risk of failure and ETERNAL loss.” (Ellen G. White, The Desire of Ages. Page 49 ‘Unto you a Saviour’)

Ellen White

Then as the glories of the eternal home burst upon our enraptured senses we shall remember that Jesus left all this for us, that He not only became an exile from the heavenly courts, but for us took the risk of failure and ETERNAL loss" Same Book, Desire of Ages

Ellen White

Had the head of Christ been touched, the hope of the human race would have perished. Divine wrath would have come upon Christ as it came upon Adam. Christ and the church would have been without hope.” (Ellen G. White, Signs of the Times, June 9th 1898, see also Selected Messages Book 1 page 256)

Hmmm, if 'God' sinned God would have been without hope...

...That's nice!

Ellen White

Remember that Christ risked all; "tempted like as we are," he staked EVEN his own eternal existence upon the issue of the conflict. Heaven itself was imperiled for our redemption. At the foot of the cross, remembering that for one sinner Jesus would have yielded up his life, we may estimate the value of a soul" Ellen White SDA General Conference Bulletin 1 Dec 1895

Ellen White

Though Christ humbled Himself to become man, the Godhead was still His own. His Deity could not be lost WHILE He stood faithful and true to His loyalty. Surrounded with sorrow, suffering, and moral pollution, despised and rejected by the people to whom had been intrusted the oracles of heaven, Jesus could yet speak of Himself as the Son of man in heaven. He was ready to take once more His divine glory when His work on earth was done

In these passages you quoted, EGW is affirming the humanity of Christ. AGAIN, I ask you, was Jesus human or not? The Bible is clear - ESV | ýJn 1:14 "And the Word became flesh....." ESV | ý2 Jn 7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.

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Synonyms: so long as, whilst

So, "WHILE" I do not at all agree with Gibs that Christ had a "CONDITIONAL DEITY"...

...For the sake of being accurate we can all agree that's EXACTLY what Ellen White.

Who is "we"? There is nothing "CONDITIONAL" or "ON LOAN" about His deity. Here is the truth she expounded:

“In Him was life; and the life was the light of men.” It is not physical life that is here specified, but eternal life, the life which is exclusively the property of God. The Word, who was with God, and who was God, had this life. Physical life is something which each individual received. It is not eternal or immortal; for God, the Lifegiver, takes it again. Man has no control over his life. But the life of Christ was unborrowed. No one can take this life from Him. “I lay it down of myself,” He said. In Him was life, original, unborrowed, underived. This life is not inherent in man. He can possess it only through Christ. He cannot earn it; it is given him as a free gift if he will believe in Christ as his personal Saviour. “This is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” John 17:3. This is the open fountain of life for the world (ST Feb. 13, 1912).

"Original, unborrowed, underived", that is as UNconditional and UNloaned as you can get.

...And her fellow Arian religious contemporaries taught.

Why?

It's simple, Arianism requires it's adherents to EMASCULATE Christ....

...So that the keeping of His "on loan" deity was conditional to His towing the rope.

...According to Scripture 'God' can't fail, ever.

...Thus Jesus isn't God like the Father is God.

...Jesus is a 'creature christ' - exactly as Ellen White and other Arians have always claimed.

What you are saying here is that Christ was NOT human. Was Adam human? Did he fail? Was Jesus a descendant

of Adam?

The Apostle John has a word about those who deny the humanity of Christ.

ESV | ý2 Jn 7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.

[Gustave]

Not in every context. Nope

[Gustave]

In these passages you quoted, EGW is affirming the humanity of Christ. AGAIN, I ask you, was Jesus human or not? The Bible is clear - ESV | ýJn 1:14 "And the Word became flesh....." ESV | ý2 Jn 7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.

I'll let one of Ellen's close personal "religious friends"....

...Explain exactly what she meant.

Charles S Longacre

IF it were impossible for the Son of God to make a mistake or commit a sin, then His coming into this world and subjecting Himself to temptations were all a farce AND mere mockery. IF it were possible for Him to yield to temptation and fall into sin, then He MUST have risked heaven and His very existence, and EVEN all eternity. That is exactly what the Scriptures AND the Spirit of Prophecy say Christ, the Son of God did do when He came to work out for us a plan of salvation from the curse of sin.

IF Christ "risked all," EVEN His ETERNAL EXISTENCE in heaven, then there was a possibility of His being overcome by sin, and IF overcome by sin, He would have gone into Joseph's tomb and neither THAT tomb nor any other tomb would EVER have been opened. All would have been lost and HE would have suffered "eternal loss," the loss of ALL He ever possessed & His DIVINITY AND His humanity and heaven itself would have been "lost & eternally lost

It was possible for one of the God-head to be lost, and eternally lost - and IF that had happened, and it WAS possible to happen, "God, the Father", would still have remained as the One and only absolute and living God, reigning supreme over all the unfallen worlds, but with all the human race blotted out of existence on this earth. The Deity of Christ’, paper presented to the Bible Research Fellowship Angwin, California January 1947, page 13 & 14)

Gerry, do I understand you right that you're saying...

...That if Christ failed He would have just floated up to heaven.

...To "continue His prior existence".

...Is that what you are saying Ellen White meant?

If it is I have some more quotes for you.

[Guest]

After all that, I still don't take you seriously. Because either you are not honest about what you learned, or you didn't learn it very well. Oh, I can tell that you've been over the material. But you either don't understand it properly, or you are intentionally misrepresenting it.

I suspect it is the latter, but I guess it could be a combination of both.

[Gustave]

After all that, I still don't take you seriously. Because either you are not honest about what you learned, or you didn't learn it very well. Oh, I can tell that you've been over the material. But you either don't understand it properly, or you are intentionally misrepresenting it.

I suspect it is the latter, but I guess it could be a combination of both.

What is it exactly in what I've said so far that you believe...

...I've not represented it like Ellen White or her contemporaries represented it?

I would seriously like to know this.

You will not find my apologetics were taken from another site....

...I've done this on my own - these are my points.

Do you not believe Charles L. wrote those exact words?

[Guest]

...Knock yourself out - craft any sentence you like using "WHILE" - see how it works out.

That's easy enough:

"I could be poking you in the eye, WHILE I'm stomping on your foot"

There it is. If I stop stomping on your foot, does that mean that I would therefore have to stop poking you in the eye? Of course not! But by your reasoning it would.

See how that works?

[Gustave]

Originally Posted By: Gustave

...Knock yourself out - craft any sentence you like using "WHILE" - see how it works out.

That's easy enough:

"I could be poking you in the eye, WHILE I'm stomping on your foot"

There it is. If I stop stomping on your foot, does that mean that I would therefore have to stop poking you in the eye? Of course not! But by your reasoning it would.

See how that works?

No, that doesn't work RLH - you need to craft it in the way of someone...

...Keeping or loosing something.

Ellen said that Christ's deity could not be lost WHILE He remained loyal...

...That's like saying you can't get a D.W.I. WHILE your sober.

...But "IF" you get drunk and drive you CAN get a D.W.I.

...& LOOSE YOUR DRIVERS LICENSE!

Do you also have a new meaning to the word "lost"?

1933

There was the danger of eternal loss in the plan. Jesus Christ might have sinned and the human race been lost. For He was tempted. He could have sinned! "In that He Himself hath suffered being tempted, He is able to succor them that are tempted." Hebrews 2:18. Again we read that Jesus "was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."

[Guest]

Maybe tomorrow...

[Gustave]

Maybe tomorrow...

No rush my friend....

...I've got to leave for several days for business.

...So I'm sure you will have more work when I get back later next week.

[Gerr]

Charles S Longacre

IF it were impossible for the Son of God to make a mistake or commit a sin, then His coming into this world and subjecting Himself to temptations were all a farce AND mere mockery. IF it were possible for Him to yield to temptation and fall into sin, then He MUST have risked heaven and His very existence, and EVEN all eternity. That is exactly what the Scriptures AND the Spirit of Prophecy say Christ, the Son of God did do when He came to work out for us a plan of salvation from the curse of sin.

IF Christ "risked all," EVEN His ETERNAL EXISTENCE in heaven, then there was a possibility of His being overcome by sin, and IF overcome by sin, He would have gone into Joseph's tomb and neither THAT tomb nor any other tomb would EVER have been opened. All would have been lost and HE would have suffered "eternal loss," the loss of ALL He ever possessed & His DIVINITY AND His humanity and heaven itself would have been "lost & eternally lost

It was possible for one of the God-head to be lost, and eternally lost - and IF that had happened, and it WAS possible to happen, "God, the Father", would still have remained as the One and only absolute and living God, reigning supreme over all the unfallen worlds, but with all the human race blotted out of existence on this earth. The Deity of Christ’, paper presented to the Bible Research Fellowship Angwin, California January 1947, page 13 & 14)

I don't care what Longacre or anybody else says. She plainly says deity "cannot sink and die," so how can deity be lost. He obviously misunderstood what she said just the same way you are misunderstanding it.

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Gerry, do I understand you right that you're saying...

...That if Christ failed He would have just floated up to heaven.

...To "continue His prior existence".

...Is that what you are saying Ellen White meant?

If it is I have some more quotes for you.

She says two natures, the divine and human were mysteriously blended. It is my understanding that had the man Jesus failed, that mysterious blending would have been mysteriously uncoupled.

BTW, if you insist on avoiding/evading/ignoring my questions, then you can post all you want but I will not answer them.

[Guest]

It is my understanding that had the man Jesus failed, that mysterious blending would have been mysteriously uncoupled.

I don't think so Gerry. If that were the case then there would have been no real risk to Christ. The only real risk would have been in losing us. Consider these quotes:

Remember that Christ risked all; "tempted like as we are," he staked even his own eternal existence upon the issue of the conflict. Heaven itself was imperiled for our redemption. {GCB, December 1, 1895 par. 22}

Remember that Christ risked all. For our redemption, heaven itself was imperiled.{COL 196.4}

Of course this doesn't make sense if you believe that Christ only took on our physical nature. As you have stated in the past.

[Gibs]

I wonder here if Gerry isn't saying about the same Richard because if Christ would have sinned all would have been lost. He took the place of Adam to vanquish Satan and had He lost by one sin would not He and all mankind been lost. His sin would have condemned Him had He fallen as Adam. There is no provision I know of for His salvation had He failed.

No Deity in Him, the Father in all fullness would just have returned to Him the same as it is returned since Jesus won and when He has it all under His feet.

Yes, the union is not something of the Father and Christ which cannot be uncoupled and it will be, read,

1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

All verse really should be read of 1 Cor 15:24-28, to catch it well.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.