Vicarius Filii Dei and 666 - a fabrication?

[wendys]

I do not know if Uriah Smith and James White and other SDA Church pioneers knew the history of the Donation of Constantine document, but that does not take away the fact that God used it to point in the right direction. This can be so even if Vicarius Filii Dei is not the correct answer as to the ultimate meaning of 666. God works with people where they are rather than insisting they have absolute truth, which nobody in this world has - only God has that. We have seen that with the Sabbath issue and Ellen and James White. If I recall correctly, they did not learn of the Sabbath from her visions, but rather it was from the study of the Bible as presented by others which convinced them. I seem to recall that the angel did in fact confirm it as being correct AFTER they started to keep it. The fact that they were keeping Sunday before that did not stop God from working with them where they were. The same can be said for people such as Zwingli or Martin Luther. Of course, if people have ignored the opportunity to learn real truth, then this may become a different thing altogether.

I believe that God did use the Vicarius Filii Dei interpretation to point to the correct identity of the beast. There are plenty of things about that beast which point in the direction of the Catholic Church and the popes, which I believe is no accident.

One problem people face, however, is correctly identifying the beast. If not done right, then the number can take on all sorts of meanings. I recall reading a web site years ago where Prince Charles of Great Britain was said to be the beast (seriously, they really said that). On this topic right here I have seen someone argue that the number applies to Nero. Others seem to know it applies to the Catholic Church, but ascribe the number 666 to a number of other meanings that seems not to have any common base. One person argued that its 616, not 666.

But it seems to me that if the beast is correctly understood, the meaning of the number should become much more restricted so that it cannot apply to all these other things. After all, it is the number of the beast, is it not? So, if it is correctly understood, then that should considerably narrow the search to understand it. The big question then is how do we identify the beast and do so in a way that can hardly be argued?

[ClubV12]

Clairification: They learned of the Sabbath from others, interesting in itself. The BIG debate was WHEN to keep it. 6 to 6 or evening to evening?

Joseph Bates, that ALWAYS pops into my head over the Sabbath issue. Bates, bless his heart, was the "Peter" of our time. Always ready to say something, back it up and defend it with his life.

I've often wondered if thats what happened with the Sabbath 6 to 6 vs evening to evening. How COULD they study it for themselves? Bates told them this is the way it is, 6 to 6, done. James ALWAYS had his doubts. But it took years for him, them, to actually go and start digging in the word for a real answer. So God waited,,, for Bates to cool off I suspect. God loved Capt. Bates, I do too! When they commissioned Andrews to take a serious look at it, evening to evening became apparent. WHEN they actually started to study it for themselves. Ellen was horrified at the years they had it wrong when the angel confirmed it!

666, a small part of a big picture. A part they needed at the time, apparently. I have many questions about the events and circumstances of those days. I think we shall share some laughs and glorify God how it all worked out in due time, in those heavenly courts.

[wendys]

I think your point about Ellen White being horrified that they had kept it wrong all these years after the angel confirmed it is fascinating. But what is also very interesting is that the angel did not correct them on the start and ending time! He just confirmed what they had done right and said no more - and waited. I guess they have a lot more patience up there than we do down here!

It is interesting that the number 666 is presented at the end of Revelation 13 instead of the first part. But I think that the reason this is done is to present things in more or less chronological order. First comes the beast and its 1260 days, with events within its description not in sequence. Next comes the earth beast, and again the events in its description are not all in chronological order. Next comes the image beast. And it is in the time of the image beast that the number 666 is presented. This says to me that this number applies at the end and not before, which is why it was not presented during the description of the 1260 days.

[LifeHiscost]

Quote:

it makes at least as much sense as the Pope.

As I understand it the number 666 is the mark of the beast and beast in the Holy Bible refers to a kingdom which would include the ruler of that kingdom, as well as it being stated the mark not being given until close to the close of time.

God cares!

[wendys]

Could you explain how the conclusion that the number 666 is the mark of the beast is arrived at in the Bible? I am curious about your explanation.

[Bravus]

Pretty direct, isn't it?

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (KJV)

[wendys]

Revelation 13:18 merely says that 666 is the number of a man and is the number of the beast. It says nothing about the mark of the beast. So, how does he arrive at his conclusion?

[Bravus]

The preceding verse tends to suggest that the number and the mark are *different* things.

[Gustave]

SDA's using Vicarius Filii Dei to establish the mark of the beast for the Papacy....

...Is like proponents of Sasquatch using the Patterson Video to argue for the existence of Bigfoot.

...Tactics like this generate excitement among the poorly educated & not much else.

[Gibs]

For an absolute surety the Papacy is not the beast but is an apostate church fallen off from the True Christ built and established upon Himself the Rock and proclaimed the gates of hell shall not prevail against it!. No need then to start one of men!

Problem is the Papacy was the ONE head of the beast that was wounded, the beast carries 6 more plus 10 horns and now in Re 13: have the king power, have the crowns.

Re 13:3 And I saw "ONE" of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: AND ALL THE WORLD WONDERED AFTER THE BEAST.

That verse alone proves the head that was wounded is not the beast and there is much more to substantiate the fact.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[LifeHiscost]

Could you explain how the conclusion that the number 666 is the mark of the beast is arrived at in the Bible? I am curious about your explanation.

[wendys]

Gibs, You think the beast is not the Papacy. Hmmm. Interesting. But I wonder if that is really true? Let us take a look at the beast and see what it does. By its behavior, we can tell who it is.

First, the beast comes up out of water.

Second, the beast has authority for a symbolic 1260 days.

Third, the beast suffers a deadly wound to one of its heads.

Fourth, the beast lives after the deadly wound.

Fifth, the beast speaks blasphemy. It tells us that this speaking of blasphemy is that it blasphemes the name of God, it blasphemes the tabernacle and it speaks blasphemy against those who dwell in heaven.

Sixth, this beast inherits the legacy of Babylon, Medo-Persia and Greece, which we know is true because the beast looks like a leopard, has the feet of a bear, and has the mouth of a lion.

So, who is this beast? You say it is NOT the Papacy, but is that true?

First, this beast inherits the legacy of Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece. Rome did that for it inherited the legacy of those three prior empires and incorporated that legacy into their own government structure and their religion. Papal Rome continued that legacy.

Let us look at the blasphemy. It speaks blasphemy against the name of God. The word name in Revelation 14:1 represents character, so here the beast speaks blasphemy against the character of God. By so doing, it is making itself look better. By definition God is the highest being that exists, so if the beast makes itself look better than God, than it is claiming to be God.

It speaks blasphemy against the tabernacle. This tabernacle cannot be the one on earth because that ceased to exist in 70 AD. So, it must be speaking of the tabernacle in heaven. Blasphemy can be claiming the rights of God. Claiming the right of God in the tabernacle is to claim the right to forgive sins against God's laws because that is what God does there, forgive our sins against his law. Thus, this beast claims to have authority to forgive sins against God's laws.

It speaks blasphemy against those who dwell in heaven. Those who dwell in heaven are found in Revelation 14:1-5, 12, which tells us that those who follow Christ and obey all of his commandments are those who dwell in heaven in the New Jerusalem. But this is a definition of the true church. To blaspheme them is to claim their rights for itself. Thus, this beast will claim the rights of the true church, that its people are the true church and that its people have the right to heaven and entrance into the Holy City.

So, who is the leader of the true church? It is Jesus. This beast is claiming to be Jesus because it claims that its people are the true church for it is the leader of its own people.

Now, Jesus came up out of water when he was baptized. He had authority for 3-1/2 years, which in prophetic years is 1260 symbolic days (360 days X 3.5, note that this is symbolic rather than literal years of 365.25 days). He suffered a deadly wound after that and yet lived on after the resurrection.

Finally, Jesus was accused of speaking blasphemy. When he was accused of that, he was accused of claiming to be God and claiming authority to forgive sins against God's laws.

Now, think about this. What power on earth came up among the nations and its leaders have claimed to be God and claim authority to forgive sins against God's laws? Oh, and let us not forget that it also claims that its people are the true church and that it is part of Rome.

Do you get the point here? The sea beast of Revelation 13 is none other than the Catholic Church. There is no other power that fits the description. This beast substitutes itself for Jesus. For example, Pope Pius V said "the pope and Jesus Christ are one and the same." Other popes have made similar claims, though not all of them have done so. NONE of them have ever retracted these claims by prior popes. They are claiming to be Jesus, are they not?

So, the beast itself is the Catholic Church. It is not one of the heads, for it is the whole beast.

[Gibs]

The sea of Re 13:1 is the sea of peoples of this world. This beast is the NWO system, New World Order, Satan's OWO, old world order ended 1798 when the king power was on the heads, Re.12:3, Re 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Now in the NWO the horns bear the crowns, Re 13:1 ¶ And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

So this shows us that Satan has taken the rule of the world from the 7 religious systems of the OWO and set up the ten horns of his NWO system to rule it. These are 10 dynasties of which the leading men of each meet once a month and decide the destiny of this country and the whole world. They have control over all the banking, money and industry and puppet all the rulers of the world. The greatest of them is the dynasty of Lord Jacob Rothschild and if he would be incapacitated he has one picked in it to take the reins. Same setup is with the other nine.

No the scroll of Re 13: was never unraveled as it wasn't time in our pioneers day.

The second beast of the chapter is Satan who gives the first beast, the NWO order system "his seat, his power and great authority"

EGW saw that Satan is the beast of 13:11 on, read, notice she quotes verses Re 13:13-17,

" In Revelation we read concerning Satan: "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name" (Revelation 13:13-17). . . . {3SM 393.1}

Now see if you can break the context from verse 11-18 and you will find you cannot!

Note first that Satan was cast out into the earth and so here we see,

Re 13:11 ¶ And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Re 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Re 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Re 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Re 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Re 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Re 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Re 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Those verses are tied together in a continuing expose or picture of Satan.

Notice the first beast is in Satan's image seven heads and ten horns as he the great red dragon, refer you to read Re 13:1 and 13:15. The first beast is Satan's image beast and will rule through it until he is allowed come forth personating Jesus Christ of which most of the world will receive as such.

The whole world is now wondering after the first beast of the chapter and not the single just one head of the seven headed 10 horned beast.

Re 13:3 And I saw "ONE" of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: "AND ALL THE WORLD WONDERD AFTER THE BEAST".

The beast take note is far greater than that one head that was wounded.

Take note that the one head is a religious system, the Papacy and so the rest are religious systems also. All the religions in the world can be contained in seven.

Don't get angry but calmly weigh up the evidence.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[skyblue888]

The number 666 is not the number of

the beast but of the image beast.

[skyblue888]

"I saw all that 'would not receive the mark of

the Beast, and of his image, in their foreheads

or in their hands,' could not buy or sell. I saw

that the number (666) of the image beast'

was made up; and that it was the beast that

changed the Sabbath, and the Image Beast

followed on after, and kept the Pople's, and

not God's Sabbath." E.G. White, A Word To The

Little Flock, p.19.

So this statement seems to make it clear that

the number 666 will not be made up until the

buy and sell decree and that it is the number

of the image beast.

sky

[skyblue888]

And there is nothing mysterious about the

ten horns. It is said that these horns

are ten kings who have received no kingdom

as yet but will receive a kingdom with the

beast for one hour.

These horns are the major religions of this

world. They have no kingdom now but when

they shall wield the power of the State

they will have a kingdom and they will

make an image to the beast. And they

will give their power and authority to

the beast.

And the time will come when they will

hate the beast and they will turn against

her and burn her with fire.

sky

[Gibs]

Sky, all the horns would have to be of the same and so the heads also. The problem that arises with your thesis here is we know for sure one of the heads is a religious system, the head that was wounded, the church of Rome, or Papacy. So we see that cannot be.

Money rules in this world and so it is only plausible that these 10 kings have the money all under their fingers and puppet all the world.

In his day John stated,

Re 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Re 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Re 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Re 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Re 17:14 ¶ These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful

Five were fallen back then because the other 5 religions did not have a Saviour and the Christian did. The one John saw as one is was the Church Christ established upon Himself, the true Church and still today the only true one. It didn't fall and become the Papacy, it was an apostate fallen off.

He told us the gates of hell shall not prevail against it and it still is with us, we just need to be in it. It is my Church.

One is to come is so called Protestantism which only ran around 500 yrs. and no longer protestant. The eighth will be Satan.

Yes it is the big money banksters that do the wars, great profit for them. They dearly love war and bloodshed. These are Satan's henchmen.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[skyblue888]

First of all, it is not my private

thesis or opinion. Rev.17:12 says

that these 10 horns are ten

kings which have received no kingdom as

yet. In Bible Commentary, Vol.7A, and I

have quoted this before several times,

Mrs. White identifies these horns or

would-be kings as "churches". Quoting

Revelation 17:1-4, she writes,

"In the seventeenth of Revelation is

foretold the destruction of all the

CHURCHES who corrupt themselves by

idolatrous devotion to the service

of the papacy, those who have drunk

of the wine of the wrath of her

fornication."

Now if you read verse 2 you will see

that it says "with whom the KINGS

of the earth have committed fornication."

So Mrs. White's intepretations of those

kings (horns) is that they are the

churches or the major religions of this

world.

Apostate Protestantism will be the first

to commit fornication with the papacy. In

other words, today Apostate Protestantism

does not have a "kingdom" yet but it will

receive a "kingdom" when church and state

shall unite and she will wield the power

of the State to enforce religion upon all

in the US by enforcing Sunday as the day

of worship.

Then it is said that every country on the

globe will follow the example of Apostate

Protestantism which means that every major

religion in the world will be "converted"

to this false Christianity and they too

will receive a kingdom through the union

of church and state and they too will

wield the power of the State to enforce

Sunday worship and thus they will make

an image to the beast.

Apostate Protestantism will be first in

doing this:

"Who is it that gives its kingdom to this

power? Protestantism, a power which, while

professing to have the temper and spirit

of a lamb and to be allied to Heaven, speaks

with the voice of a dragon. It is moved by a

power from beneath." E.G. White,

Bible Commentary, Vol.7, 983.

Through the power of spiritualism, Satan

will perform signs and wonders and all the

other major religions will exclaim, "Who is

like the beast? Who is able to make war with

him?" Rev.13:4.

And they will make an image to the beast

and give their "kingdom" to the beast and

this is how her deadly wound will be healed

and thus regain her lost supremacy. Hence

she will be again. She was of the seven,

was before 1798, is not after 1798, and is

again when her wound is completely healed.

sky

[Gibs]

Then you must agree then that if the horns are churches the heads are too. You see the Papacy is listed as a head, the wounded head,

Don't the red flags fly up to you the pioneers did not have this prophecy right.

It is for sure they didn't and EGW could see it too as she made this statement of the second beast of revelation,

In Revelation we read concerning Satan: "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name" (Revelation 13:13-17). . . . {3SM 393.1}

You all can ramble on with the interpretation that the first beast of the chapter is the Papacy and the second the USA that wants to but it don't make sense. It is U. Smiths rendition that EGW said that he got his ideas of prophecy from Gibbon the skeptic.

I would post that statement but they have removed it from the writings given on the disc.

Your Papacy is but one head of the beast and scripture plainly tells you so, so I suggest all go back to the drawing board on the whole of the prophecy!

Re 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Did you note ONE head was wounded, 6 others were not and the 10 horns weren't either,

then note AND THE WHOLE WORLD WONDERED AFTER THE BEAST, AND NOT THAT ONE WOUNDED HEAD.

Back to the drawing board is the path you must take, it isn't that way as interpreted by smith and at first EGW went along with it.

In the GC she covered herself with this statement,

" It has been shown that the United States is the power represented by the beast with lamblike horns, and that this prophecy will be fulfilled when the United States shall enforce Sunday observance, which Rome claims as the special acknowledgment of her supremacy." {DD 27.1} Yes by U. Smith.

SDAdventism don't have it all as it never did come to complete reform as none of the other church structures of men.

All the protestant structures are attempts to right a few apostasies that came in by the break off of the Papacy from the Church Jesus Christ established on Himself,

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it

Man cannot build God His Church, only He could do that and He did

AND THE GATES OF HELL DID NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT OR HE IS A LIAR.

Any can be in in, it only requires Him to be worshipped in Spirit and in Truth and He will be in the midst therof and it is His Presence in it only that constitutes CHURCH!

His is my Church! It don't fall to the gates of hell because, He ALONE is it's head, He ALONE is it's organizer, and He ONLY ordains in it.

He only ordains ones in it that have His Spirit of Truth and will not weave in error and so fall.

Yes Adventism has failed on more than one point and not of any fault of EGW, she couldn't get it righted as there was too much against her. Satan was in on the ground floor as with all the church structures of men.

I know few will receive this but I must stand for the truth and I will. My days are short and my health bad but as long as I do live the truth of things is the basis.

Ps 91:4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[skyblue888]

Rev.12:3. Here the crowns are

on the seven heads.

Rev.13:1. Here the crowns are on

the ten horns. (here the horns

are the kingdoms of Europe which

gave their military support to

the papal system)

Rev.17:3. No crowns

Presence of crowns indicates a

political power.

Absence of crows indicates a

spiritual power.

We know that in these last days

the whole world will worship

the beast and its image. It will

be spiritual dominance.

sky

[wendys]

Crowns signify a political power?

Wait a minute! Does it not say in Daniel 7:17 that beasts are kings? So, the beast itself and its heads and horns indicates kings. You are saying that crowns indicates the same thing.

Consider that crowns indicates something else because you already know that kings are involved.

Think about it. The dragon heads have crowns. The horns of the sea beast of Rev. 13 have crowns. There are no crowns in Revelation 17, yet there are 7 kings that are the 7 heads.

Think about who controls who. Crowns tell you something about that.

[wendys]

The beast of Revelation 13 is not the New World order. The Bible clearly indicates that the popes and the Catholic Church are the beast. And Ellen White tells us exactly the same thing.

[skyblue888]

Wendys, of course the Bible clearly

indicates that the papal power is

the first beast of Rev.13.

What did I say that contradicted that?

All I said was that in Revelation 17

there are no crowns which signifies

that the religious element will be

the dominant factor. The 10 horns

in Rev.17 do not represent political

governments but "churches" (the religious

side) that shall receive a kingdom when

church and state unite in the US first

and then in every country on the globe

every major religion will become the

religion of the State and they will

follow the example of Apostate

Protestantism in making an image to

the beast and, at last, all of them will

give their power and authority to

the papacy. And this is how her wound

will be healed and thus she will have

regained her lost supremacy and

persecution will raise its ugly head.

So what this is saying is that in

these last days the whole world

will be "converted" to "Christ"

and the church will be wielding

the power of the State to impose

religion upon all. This is the

Babylon the Great of these last

days.

sky

[skyblue888]

Yes Revelation 17 mentions the seven

heads. The point of reference is 1798.

Five have fallen.

5. Papal Rome fell in 1798.

4. Pagan Rome fell in 476.

3. Greece

2. Medo Persia

1. Babylon (head of gold)

So the beast that is after 1798 is

the beast that came out of the

bottomless pit and that is Atheism

in France. Since 1798 Atheism, the

goddess of reason, is what is dominating

in the world. Religion is still there but

it had to take a back seat. Atheism (king

of the south since 1798) is pushing at

religion (king of the north). It shouldn't

be too difficult to see this. All one has

to do is to go on YouTube and listen to

Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins, George Carlin,

Jim Jefferies, etc etc. These are some of

the champions for the king of the south

today, who worship the goddess of reason

and adhere to science falsely so-called,

the theory of evolution. These are calling

for the abolition of religion as a pest to

society. They are correct that false religion

is a curse to humanity. No doubt about that.

But during the loud cry they will be exposed

to the true Christ, to true religion exposing

the false Christs. I believe many of them will

be converted and will add their voices to those

who are proclaiming that last message of mercy

to the world.

So Atheism is the one that is since 1798.

The seventh is the one that is yet to come

and the one that is yet to come does not

have a kingdom yet but will receive a kingdom

for a short time with the beast. And that is

Apostate Protestantism in the US. Then the

ten horns of Rev.17, that is, all the major

religions of the world, will follow suit and

they too will receive a kingdom and they will

wield the power of the State to enforce Sunday

worship upon their people.

And the eighth is the papal power. She is

of the seven. She fell in 1798, is not after

1798 in the sense that she has lost her

temporal supremacy because of the deadly

wound in 1798 at the hand of atheism in

France, but she will be again when her

wound is healed.

sky

[wendys]

Skyblue888, It was not you that said the first beast of Revelation 13 was the New World Order, but I did not make that point clear because I was in a hurry. Sorry about that!

Now, I have a question for you. The leopard beast in Daniel 7 had four heads on it. Those four heads came up in 301 BC with a decree. It is also true that the 10 horns came up on the fourth beast in 476 through a decree also.

Did the leopard heads rule begin at the same time and fall one at a time, or did they rise and fall in sequence?

If they go in sequence, then the 7 heads of the beast in Revelation 17 can go in sequence.

But if they went in parallel (start ruling at the same time and then fall one at a time), then the 7 heads of the beast in Revelation 17 must go in parallel.

So, which is it?