Vicarius Filii Dei and 666 - a fabrication?

[ClubV12]

"I saw that the two-horned beast had a dragon's mouth, and that his power was in his head, and that the decree would go out of his mouth. Then I saw the Mother of Harlots; that the mother was not the daughters, but separate and distinct from them. She has had her day, and it is past, and her daughters, the Protestant sects, were the next to come on the stage and act out the same mind that the mother had when she persecuted the saints. I saw that as the mother has been declining in power, the daughters had been growing, and soon they will exercise the power once exercised by the mother." {SpM 1.4}

The beast isn't the problem, Sunday keeping Churches are the problem!

[Gibs]

The Papacy being the head that was wounded sets the basis for the fact the other six heads are of the same order, religious Systems then you will have a better grasp of unraveling the interpretation.

The deadly wound to the sixth head was the turning point of when the heads had king power, crowns, read Re 12:3 and then Re 13:1 we find the horns have the king power, the crowns and presently those 10 puppet all in this world.

Satan's OWO was before 1798 and since he changed leaders to the horns of his beast system, now his NWO. His first beast of Re 13: is of his image of rule and his NWO.

Now he is the puppeteer of it, the first beast, verses Re 13:1-10, and then, Re 13:11-18, now read this, EGW agrees, Satan is this beast!

Note! she quotes Re 13:13-17

In Revelation we read concerning Satan: "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name" (Revelation 13:13-17). . . . {3SM 393.1}

Read it all of Satan, verses 11-18 and see for yourself that the beast introduced in verse one is still of it verse by verse through 18, the text cannot be broken!

Re 13:11 ¶ And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Re 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Re 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Re 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Re 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Re 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Re 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Re 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[ClubV12]

If ya'll keep look to the Pope to take some kind of action your going to miss the show.

The image of the beast is what we should be watching, the Sunday keeping "grass roots" movement that will rise up and pass a Sunday law. It won't be apparent who's behind it or why and it really doesn't matter.

The issue you will have to deal with is your Sunday keeping neighbor about to call the police because he saw you working in the yard on Sunday. He's likely a former Adventist who joined the popular movement. He's cleaning his gun, he doesn't care who the beast is, or what the Pope is up to. He's out to "save this country" from those law breaking Sabbath keepers.

[skyblue888]

If ya'll keep look to the Pope to take some kind of action your going to miss the show.

The image of the beast is what we should be watching, the Sunday keeping "grass roots" movement that will rise up and pass a Sunday law. It won't be apparent who's behind it or why and it really doesn't matter.

The issue you will have to deal with is your Sunday keeping neighbor about to call the police because he saw you working in the yard on Sunday. He's likely a former Adventist who joined the popular movement. He's cleaning his gun, he doesn't care who the beast is, or what the Pope is up to. He's out to "save this country" from those law breaking Sabbath keepers.

Right on Club.

sky

[skyblue888]

At first the law is passed not against

Sabbath-keepers but against the irreligious.

The loud cry begins. The people of God

refuse to honor it, for it would mean

that they would have to dishonor God to

do so. More than this, in the mighty power

of the Spirit, they protest the law and

show that it is fraught with disaster.

The Sunday Law movement meets this first

of all with argument, then with personal

persecution, then with law suits, the

threat of fines and imprisonment and then,

because they still refuse to break God's

law in order to obey a law of the land,

they impose the buy and sell decree and

when that too fails to silence them, they

ulitmately impose the death decree, which,

becomes the most severe and terrible test

which anyone has ever faced in human history

apart from Jesus upon the cross. Others in

the past have faced and stood the test of

death decrees but never one like this one.

[Gibs]

The big show of power that is to begin by the first beast system of Satan in soon to start, the only alarming thing about it, it will not be entertaining!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[skyblue888]

Not the first beast but the second beast

of Rev.13;11-18. And notice that it is

not the number 666 of the beast but of

the image beast.

The image beast is the seventh head,

the one that is yet to come.

Every sda should be able to see this

clearly. We all know that the next

event in the unrolling of the

prophetic scroll is the making of

an image to the beast in the US

and that every other country in

the world will follow the example

of Apostate Protestantism in making

an image to the beast.

This is how the papacy will come

back to life as the ten horns will

then have received a kingdom and

they will give it to the papacy

and this is how her wound will be

healed.

sky

[skyblue888]

On page 19 of the book, A Word to the Little Flock, Mrs White writes:

"I saw all that 'would not receive the mark of the Beast, and of his Image in their foreheads or in their hands,' could not buy or sell. I saw that the number (666) of the Image Beast was made up."

First notice how she does not say that it is the number of the Beast but of the Image Beast. And the fact is that she also says that that number has not been made up yet, not until the buy-and-sell decree. This strongly indicates that it is a symbolic number.

We are told that "In the book of Revelation all the books of the Bible meet and end." A.A.585. The significance of the number "6" is to be found in some other book of the Bible. In the Old Testament the number "6" has to do with human probation, with slavery.

Here is a hint: Exodus 21:1-6.

The Hebrew slave was given the choice, after having served 6 years to go free or to remain a slave in case he loved his master. If he chose to remain a slave, his master would pierce his ear with an awl and he served his master forever!

This is highly symbolical of man's slavery to sin. Sin is our master until we find freedom through faith in the merits of a crucified and risen Saviour. But if we love our master and choose to remain in sin when freedom from it is presented to us through the Gospel of the merits and righteousness of Christ, we receive the number 6, 66, or 666.

Adam and Eve did not receive that number simply because before the fall in the garden of Eden they had not experienced slavery to sin. But after the fall, especially at the time of the flood, the people received that number 6 for after having tasted slavey to sin, they chose to remain slaves to sin, their master, when offered freedom from it through the preaching of Noah.

The people living in the days of Christ were twice as guilty as the people in the time of Noah for through the preaching of Christ and the apostles they received much more light and yet they still chose to remain in sin. They loved their master and they received the number 66.

The people living in these last days will receive the number 666 if they choose to remain in sin in spite of the light that will shine upon them. By rejecting the accumulated light of all the ages, choosing to remain the slaves to sin, loving their master, they will be three times as guilty as the the people were in the days of Noah. The number 666 in these last days signifies absolute guilt.

[Samie]

On page 19 of the book, A Word to the Little Flock, Mrs White writes:

"I saw all that 'would not receive the mark of the Beast, and of his Image in their foreheads or in their hands,' could not buy or sell. I saw that the number (666) of the Image Beast was made up."

[skyblue888]

The "Image Beast" is still a beast. Mrs. White did not change her views over the years.

[Samie]

The "Image Beast" is still a beast. Mrs. White did not change her views over the years.

Just wondering why you stated "First notice how she does not say that it is the number of the Beast but of the Image Beast."

[Aliensanctuary]

I think it highly unlikely that the papacy has any connection to the 666 prophecy.

As we see in both Dan. and Rev., the 4 Last Days Beasts clearly arise after the Great Resurrection, after which they appear in sequence ruling over billions and billions of resurrected humans, a sea of people in turmoil. As predicted, the resurrected rulers who formerly ruled these nations in history continue their wars of conquest until they hold sway over an entire planet swarming with people.

The 4th Beast, a highly destructive power that cares nothing for human civilization or human life, proceeds to destroy the great cities of the world in its murderous rampage. This power is not the priests and monks and popes of Catholicism sprinkling their little bottles of holy water blessed by the holy father, but an advanced extraterrestrial civilization, the Kingdom of Satan, highly capable of destroying worlds, and that is exactly what it will do to this planet.

I suspect that there will be many, many upset people following the resurrection, angry that their denominations and "prophets" brainwashed them with a load of cr_p.

[JoeMo]

Yes," Vicarius Filii Dei" is indeed a fabrication. As a former fervent Catholic, I can say that the pope's title is not "Vicar of the Son of God", it is "Vicar of Christ" (Vicarius Christi). And secondly, neither title is engraved in his mitre.

[joeb]

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Vicarius Filii Dei and 666 - a fabrication?

I haven't read this entire thread as I just don't have the time. I do have an answer to the question that started the thread though. The answer? NO.

[LifeHiscost]

Slightly amusingly: ELLEN GOVLD VVHITE = L+L+V+L+D+V+V+I = 666 (same rules)

However there are other identifying characteristics identifying for the well accepted "beast", of which EGW is not character to.

God/Jesus saves!

[LifeHiscost]

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The "horns" of the beast are doing the rule in this world big time these days.

However that's the reason for this evidence.

"Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

Daniel 2:33-34 KJV

"And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken."Daniel 2:41-42 KJV

God cares! Jesus saves!

[phkrause]

GP: What I've always been taught is that "666" has always been an imperfect number, representing the unholy trinity. And that the number "777" being the Holy Trinity. The unholy trying to be a copy of the Holy.

[JoeMo]

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"666" has always been an imperfect number, representing the unholy trinity. And that the number "777" being the Holy Trinity. The unholy trying to be a copy of the Holy.

Good point pk. Could the following passage be a reference to that "unholy trinity"?

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Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.

Could that unholy trinity be politics, apostate religion, and global monetary policy?

[skyblue888]

In A Word to the Little Flock Mrs White specifically shows that that number will not be made up until the buy-and-sell decree. And that number is not the number of a man but the number of man. Ex.21:1-6 shows that it is symbolic number having to do with human probation and guilt.

[JoeMo]

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Ex.21:1-6 shows that it is symbolic number having to do with human probation and guilt.

I don't see the connection. No saying it isn't there; i just don't see it.

Also, please show me where scripture backs up Mrs. White's assertion, please.

[Samie]

In A Word to the Little Flock Mrs White specifically shows that that number will not be made up until the buy-and-sell decree. And that number is not the number of a man but the number of man. Ex.21:1-6 shows that it is symbolic number having to do with human probation and guilt.

[phkrause]

Could that unholy trinity be politics, apostate religion, and global monetary policy?

No, not what I've learned.

[phkrause]

And that number is not the number of a man but the number of man. Ex.21:1-6 shows that it is symbolic number having to do with human probation and guilt.

That makes a lot of sense sky. This is what I've always learned and heard.

[Gregory Matthews]

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I just can't make out whether he is likewise trying to make a difference between "the number of a man " and "the number of man".

The difference, whether correct, or wrong, is the difference between an individual and a group of people.

[Samie]

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I just can't make out whether he is likewise trying to make a difference between "the number of a man " and "the number of man".

The difference, whether correct, or wrong, is the difference between an individual and a group of people.