brotherly love Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) I must explain the heart of Jesus as seen in Abraham. I wish I was a wordsmith to flesh out the beauty of Jesus heart towards the people of Sodom. I can not find the post regarding Abraham not accepting gifts from thee King of Sodom. And I already pointed out the different circumstances regarding accepting gifts. I believe Abraham looked upon the King of Sodom with unsurpassable worth. A candidate for the Kingdom of God. At that point in time it was not too late. Before GOD sends judgement He sends a Witness/message.. a way out!. You see that in all of Scriptures. God is so good to us. He sends rain and sunshine on both the just and the unjust.Abraham is sharing Jesus during the battle and after the Win and when all are together with the King of Sodom and Melchizedek and Lot and Family and the people of Sodom! you all know what it is to be bring Jesus to a family or business get together! (if your in)http://clubadventist.com/forums/topic/59883-are-you-in-or-out/ with people who are unsaved there! It is powerful! Knowing and understanding this GOD makes me give more to HIM It will do the same for all here! What you have said can't be obtained from the text, the text is very explicit that Abraham wanted nothing to do with the wicked King of Sodom. Abraham accepted the bread and wine (v18) from Melchizedek, and gave him a tenth of everything (v20) Abraham dealt with the king of Sodom in contrast to this 21 The king of Sodom said to Abram, “Give me the people and keep the goods for yourself.” 22 But Abram said to the king of Sodom, “With raised hand I have sworn an oath to the Lord, God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth, 23 that I will accept nothing belonging to you, not even a thread or the strap of a sandal, so that you will never be able to say, ‘I made Abram rich.’ Abraham was responsible to save his nephew as the Patriarch of the bet-ab (tribe) and he knew if he was to take the spoils of war, then he would be accused of not being honest with saving his nephew, but used it as an excuse to become richer Edited May 13, 2015 by brotherly love Quote
8thdaypriest Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I must explain the heart of Jesus as seen in Abraham. I wish I was a wordsmith to flesh out the beauty of Jesus heart towards the people of Sodom. I can not find the post regarding Abraham not accepting gifts from thee King of Sodom. And I already pointed out the different circumstances regarding accepting gifts. I believe Abraham looked upon the King of Sodom with unsurpassable worth. A candidate for the Kingdom of God. At that point in time it was not too late. Before GOD sends judgement He sends a Witness/message.. a way out!. You see that in all of Scriptures. God is so good to us. He sends rain and sunshine on both the just and the unjust.Abraham is sharing Jesus during the battle and after the Win and when all are together with the King of Sodom and Melchizedek and Lot and Family and the people of Sodom! you all know what it is to be bring Jesus to a family or business get together! (if your in)http://clubadventist.com/forums/topic/59883-are-you-in-or-out/ with people who are unsaved there! It is powerful! Knowing and understanding this GOD makes me give more to HIM It will do the same for all here! Not understanding where you're coming from on this one. Abraham went to rescue his own relatives - Lot and has wife, sons, daughters, servants, livestock and goods. Four "kings" made war with the five "kings" in the Jordan Valley, BECAUSE they had rebelled and refused to pay tribute any longer to Chedorlaomer (Gen 14:4 NKJ). Abraham had many servants and they together made up a goodly force. He rescued his own nephew (and family and goods). In the process he helped defeat the four kings. Abraham wasn't fighting on the side of Sodom. He wasn't doing it to HELP the King of Sodom, throw off his overlord. He was just trying to rescue Lot. I'm sure that even then, Abraham probably tried to get Lot to leave that place. It was sinking into wickedness. Lot was finally able to escape with only his two daughters. His sons were lost. His wife was lost. Now days, with TV and internet, it's almost impossible to pull our kids OUT of the big city influence. It's everywhere. Its long fingers reach right into our homes. brotherly love 1 Quote 8thdaypriest
brotherly love Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 Brotherly love, We ARE here for study of the Word, and discussion. You don't have to ask whether we would like to hear your explanations of the "WHY" from the Word. Just go ahead and share. It's like you're asking, "Can I say something?". OF COURSE you can. It's a forum. i did not specifically come out and say "do you want to hear my explanations of the WHY...." I asked 'why does God detest homosexuality"?. I posed a question. I would be a fool to think that it would go anywhere healthy from the response so far. That may change, and when it does then a discussion will result. Quote
GayatfootofCross Posted May 14, 2015 Author Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) Not understanding where you're coming from on this one. Abraham went to rescue his own relatives - Lot and has wife, sons, daughters, servants, livestock and goods. Four "kings" made war with the five "kings" in the Jordan Valley, BECAUSE they had rebelled and refused to pay tribute any longer to Chedorlaomer (Gen 14:4 NKJ). Abraham had many servants and they together made up a goodly force. He rescued his own nephew (and family and goods). In the process he helped defeat the four kings. Abraham wasn't fighting on the side of Sodom. He wasn't doing it to HELP the King of Sodom, throw off his overlord. He was just trying to rescue Lot. I'm sure that even then, Abraham probably tried to get Lot to leave that place. It was sinking into wickedness. Lot was finally able to escape with only his two daughters. His sons were lost. His wife was lost. Now days, with TV and internet, it's almost impossible to pull our kids OUT of the big city influence. It's everywhere. Its long fingers reach right into our homes. In the OP you see Abraham pleading for the entire City. The battle was to get Lot and His Family! That's the big reason why there was nothing else to be gained. He got all he want in that whole mess. 8thdaypriest! GBU again! What I was referring to was the witness Abraham brought while being with the King of Sodom and Melchizedek and all the others who shared the victory.. long before Fire and brimstone. Abraham shows his heart pleading for the entire City. He sees them as them as people-not as their acts. Abraham is not turning away from the King of Sodom. Abraham could have just pleaded for His non Sodomite family. Did he know his family was being rescued before the destruction? I don't know. I do see Abraham praying for the wicked. A soft fleshy heart towards all As I also said in the OP that Christians think it is their duty to still rain down fire and brimstone. you see it that everywhere to this day (you even see it here! ) . Abraham shows what Christians will be doing on sinners behalf! (you also see that here!) It all comes down to our picture of GOD! He loves on all and not willing any should perish! amen! Thank you for sharing with me, 8thdaypriest that is my point in all this wonderful thread Edited May 14, 2015 by GayatfootofCross Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
GayatfootofCross Posted May 14, 2015 Author Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) Did he really plead for the entire city? Look carefully: He says: 1) Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? This shows he made a distinction between the righteous and the wicked. He knew there were many wicked there. 2) Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city. He doesn't think that there are many righteous there. He starts with 50 and reduces it to 10, which is not very many people. 3) Wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? He doesn't ask that the city be spared for the sake of the thousands of wicked, so they would get another chance or repent. He says it should be spared for the sake of the few righteous. - joe Genesis7! Good to see you again! yes Bringing up the righteous in prayer to save the entire city! What a good way to plead for the entire wicked city! Good point! lol as I said... It comes down to our picture of God! we are all poor miserable blind and naked! . . How can we see a God that only saves the righteous? none are righteous .............................. Props for Abraham! "3) Wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? He doesn't ask that the city be spared for the sake of the thousands of wicked, so they would get another chance or repent. He says it should be spared for the sake of the few righteous". -Genesis7 they were past the point of Repentance Edited May 14, 2015 by GayatfootofCross Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
GayatfootofCross Posted May 14, 2015 Author Posted May 14, 2015 As I said Genesis 7... Abraham, I think the only appeal he could make, given the sins were so wicked. I really appreciate you flashing it out more. For us all..So we could say together sing.. "what wondrous love is this? o my soul o my soul" GBU! Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
GayatfootofCross Posted May 14, 2015 Author Posted May 14, 2015 Moses used appealing to God's reputation when going to bat! Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
GayatfootofCross Posted May 14, 2015 Author Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) Genesis7 ,you got my wheels turning! Edited May 14, 2015 by GayatfootofCross can't spell Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
8thdaypriest Posted May 14, 2015 Posted May 14, 2015 Abraham is a TYPE of Christ here. He is the One crying, "Hold, hold, hold". Sodom is a TYPE for the END of this age. Christ will REMOVE those who belong to Him, thru faith. ( And yes, the fact that Lot and his daughters were NOT very righteous - of themselves- is a good illustration of our condition.) Only AFTER the redeemed have been REMOVED from this earth, will complete destruction follow. THAT is why I believe that the 7 last plagues will FOLLOW the removal of the redeemed from the earth. Concerning Babylon, the Lord will say, "Therefore let her plagues (7 of them) come in ONE DAY." That DAY will be the Second Coming, and those plagues will be poured out AFTER those who belong to Christ have been removed. I see "Lot's wife" as a type of those who are torn between the world, and a "thus says the Lord". She WAS leaving Sodom. She understood that it was wicked. She was "informed". But she hesitated, because things that she loved were still there - in Sodom. Her sons and maybe grandchildren. Her home. Her friends. JoeMo 1 Quote 8thdaypriest
GayatfootofCross Posted May 23, 2015 Author Posted May 23, 2015 (edited) God calls the Church to further the Kingdom to love like this meme states for one another! We don't have it in ourselves. It only can be found in a fleshy heart that God is trying to give us. It is in His unconditional Love and Non Condemnation that we all heal in community and in our own devotions To give anything less to LGBTIQQAA is the Real Abomination to GOD. Edited May 23, 2015 by GayatfootofCross Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
LifeHiscost Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 Is not attacking a business owner, taking away her business, livelihood, and even her home thru monetary penalties, a TYPE of violent subjugation? The gay movement in this country is not content with tolerance. They DEMAND acceptance on every level, with threats of lawsuits, or worse, violent demonstrations. They DEMAND children be taught that consensual homosexual acts are NOT WRONG in any way. Gays would remove from Scripture every reference describing sin of any kind (not just sodomy) and would leave only love, love, love. But it is not loving, to tell a child continually that they are "loved" and at the same time, to let them do whatever they want, and not guide them, or restrain them in some way from harmful practices. The LORD gave commandments and laws for His people, so they would NOT BE LIKE the Egyptians or Babylonians, or other peoples. He commanded that they "drive out" or destroy all of the Canaanites, lest they be infected with their practices, which included child sex slavery (at their temples), child sacrifice, adult fertility sex rites, and homosexual practices. Not only were there repercussions from disobeying godly injunctions, there were promises for those who found their way clear to doing what they were asked by Jesus. …19'Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent. 20'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. 21'He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.…Revelation 3 We have been accorded free will from the beginning and I know there are some who believe salvation has only God's influence to effect that salvation. However Jesus doesn't kick the door in. That principle of cooperation continues so long as eternity lasts. there will never be a time when choices aren't a two way street and we have the privilege of sharing that responsibility with our Elder Brother. Only on this earth where there is another god, very active if not noticed, often causing pain sometimes a result of making the right choices. …3And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus' sake.…2 Corinthians 4 That condition is about to end, never rising again. 9 Whatever you devise against the LORD, He will make a complete end of it. Distress will not rise up twice......Nahum 1 28 "But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."....Luke 21 God is Love! Jesus saves! Quote Lift Jesus up!!
pnattmbtc Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 It is an "abomination" BECAUSE God said so. Or is it the other way around? (I'm not talking specifically about homosexuality here, but any abomination). Was it Plato who first asked this question? Ha, I found the quote I was thinking of! Does God command a thing because it is good, or is it good because God commands it? (Plato - Euthyphro) Quote Christ exalted the character of God, attributing to him the praise, and giving to him the credit, of the whole purpose of his own mission on earth,--to set men right through the revelation of God.
GayatfootofCross Posted July 23, 2015 Author Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) I have a dear friend who is actually a real cowboy. He is all about horses and rides and cares and feeds and grooms and puts up horse pictures on my FB page all the time. He is a new SDA Christian (two years) and deep in the Closet. He came out to me and my Buddy after awhile. I already thought he was gay cause of my blasted Gaydar. He is part of a Christian Men Fellowship up here in the woods. The topic of gays came up in the light of the recent events. Since they are all among themselves and everyone is thought to be straight. They let loose. Of course it went beyond the stuff in the news. The gays were hammered like roadkill in worth with God's hatred. Cant wait for the F_____ts to burn when Jesus comes. Satan himself put the homos here to be against Jesus. It got worse than that. The Cowboy is still reeling. The reason I bring this up is that when you good people read the OP on this thread. It is important to know that God doesn't love gays less than you. Nor does HE punish them more than you. And the perpetuation of the Lie it was ALL about the mass constant touching of male genitalia to male genitalia Sending God into a fire breathing tizzy. We as imperfect Sinners internalize it and gets into our physic on how we should treat gays. How to look upon them. If you look closely you will see (in the 5 pages) those kinds of comments here. Stressing the big and the tiny thoughts in what our culture and imperfect theology reads into this story. We can haggle as the the day is long over these points but what it really comes down to is what kind of FRUIT does it yield? The CROSS is blocked from view for my new Christian Friend who talks of throwing away fellowship altogether. Yes He wants GOD and loves HIM. But can't take the Christian culture he is still new to. Looking at the Story of Sodom we get plenty of ammo to shoot people down. If it is lensed thru the Cross of Jesus.... We all will see .. "they" and "us" are exactly the same.in HIS EYES. And we of course will follow Him by casting down our own imaginations and that exalts itself over the other Children of GOD.. God bless you all! # pray for him..he don't think he can stand another mass christian man verbal tirade and keeps telling me he dont know how me and buddy can take it over and over again. He is in awe we still go to church! Edited July 23, 2015 by GayatfootofCross JoeMo 1 Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
pnattmbtc Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 I don't think anything is more important than our view of God. When we think of Jesus, and how He treated those who were rejected by society, what comes to mind? How did Jesus treat lepers and prostitutes? If we think God loathes those who practice X, that He reacts with disgust and violence to such, what does that say of our view of God's character? GayatfootofCross and JoeMo 2 Quote Christ exalted the character of God, attributing to him the praise, and giving to him the credit, of the whole purpose of his own mission on earth,--to set men right through the revelation of God.
GayatfootofCross Posted July 23, 2015 Author Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) I don't think anything is more important than our view of God. When we think of Jesus, and how He treated those who were rejected by society, what comes to mind? How did Jesus treat lepers and prostitutes? If we think God loathes those who practice X, that He reacts with disgust and violence to such, what does that say of our view of God's character? It really speaks volumes of our View of HIM ..and subconsciously creates an anxiety in our own souls that effects our treating of people around us who simply disagree on theology/faith etc.! I think anger that is shown hereon this topic (it it expressed under the cloak of piety) stems from anxiety and fear that comes down not totally trusting Who is Altogether Lovely! We all have trust issues being born in this cruel world. God is busy courting each and everyone of us to give our heart totally to the Groom Who has nothing but our best interest in mine. I have met so many many Christians that like themselves more ( and think God likes them better?) when they find angles of theology of finding ways to tare people down. It lifts themselves up if even for a moment. Like a Bride- the Groom Cherishes both Gays and Straights. # ... mAN wHAT A GOD! Edited July 23, 2015 by GayatfootofCross Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
pnattmbtc Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 We all have trust issues being born in this cruel world. God is busy courting each and everyone of us to give our heart totally to the Groom Who has nothing but our best interest in mine. I have met so many many Christians that like themselves more ( and think God likes them better?) when they find angles of theology of finding ways to tare people down. It lifts themselves up if even for a moment. This sounds right, that it could be trust issues, or feelings of inadequacy. If I'm not sure about God viz a viz me, that can lead me to try things that will build myself up as a defense mechanism. GayatfootofCross 1 Quote Christ exalted the character of God, attributing to him the praise, and giving to him the credit, of the whole purpose of his own mission on earth,--to set men right through the revelation of God.
B/W Photodude Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 I was reading one article today that was discussing Sodom & Gomorrah. As many of you know, the former site of these cities in under what is now the Dead Sea. The author of the paper noted that the depth of the water at the north end of the Dead Sea is about nine feet, although since the Dead Sea is shrinking, it may now be even less. But the south end of the Dead Sea is over 1300 feet in depth. This author's conclusion was that the fire raining down on these cities were so destructive as to have burned deep into the earth! For the haters, I am not saying one way or the other. Just this is someone's opinion. Of course, with the wide range of other superfantastical miracles and interventions in the Bible, doesn't seem that far fetched! Quote >>>Texts in blue type are quotes<<< ***************************************************************************** And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. --Shakespeare from Hamlet ***************************************************************************** Bill Liversidge Seminars The Emergent Church and the Invasion of Spiritualism
GayatfootofCross Posted July 23, 2015 Author Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) I was reading one article today that was discussing Sodom & Gomorrah. As many of you know, the former site of these cities in under what is now the Dead Sea. The author of the paper noted that the depth of the water at the north end of the Dead Sea is about nine feet, although since the Dead Sea is shrinking, it may now be even less. But the south end of the Dead Sea is over 1300 feet in depth. This author's conclusion was that the fire raining down on these cities were so destructive as to have burned deep into the earth! For the haters, I am not saying one way or the other. Just this is someone's opinion. Of course, with the wide range of other superfantastical miracles and interventions in the Bible, doesn't seem that far fetched! Yes Fire and Brimstone rained down sounds like a supernatural event. Ive even heard some say it may have been tiny asteroids. Or whatever they are called. Superfantastical !. love that word..i may use it in the future without your permission. Thank GOD we have the Bible to help us outside of our traditional cultural understanding of the why the punishment and the real issues involved. Jesus even brought it up. 11 “When you enter a city or town, find some worthy person there and stay in his home until you leave. 12 When you enter that home, say, ‘Peace be with you.’ 13 If the people in that home welcome you, they are worthy of your peace. May they have the peace you wished for them. But if they don’t welcome you, they are not worthy of your peace. Take back the peace you wished for them. 14 And if the people in a home or a town refuse to welcome you or listen to you, then leave that place and shake the dust off your feet.[b] 15 I can assure you that on the judgment day it will be worse for that town than for the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. Rejecting HIM is the real sin. YES? No? Helps the real focus ..dontcha think? AND 49 “Your sister Sodom and her daughters were proud. They had too much to eat and too much time on their hands, and they did not help poor, helpless people. 50 Sodom and her daughters became too proud and began to do terrible things in front of me. So I punished them! Ezekiel 16:49,50 I see more sermons and talk (since antiquity) and blogs of condemnation over '"the terrible things in front of me"(Abominations) than the long scathing list of how we are to look upon and help one another. Yep! Welcome to the mindset of too many Christians. Can anyone say.... CHERRY PICK FOR CONVENIENCE OF LIFE. ? Anyone marching in the streets over these sins? We have United States political platforms against one part of that scripture and Embracing the other part of that scripture. But that is another thread.. Cause of all this and much more - the LGBTIQQAA sees the bull and it is another reason the CHURCH cannot speak into their lives. So yes B/W Photodude speak by all means speak freely (ignore the haters) . I can go toe to toe with you (i have met a GOD that will AHH MAZE U!) . As long as you leave out personal attacks. Edited July 23, 2015 by GayatfootofCross Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
Robert Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 So I punished them! Ezekiel 16:49,50 Is God's wrath active or passive? Let's compare two verses: Gen 18:17 Then the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do?" ... Gen 19:24 "Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens. 25Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land." Doesn't sound passive, does it? Keep in mind four cities went down: Deut 29:23 "The whole land will be a burning waste of salt and sulfur--nothing planted, nothing sprouting, no vegetation growing on it. It will be like the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboiim, which the LORD overthrew in fierce anger." Is God's anger like human anger? No! "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts." Is 55:9 So God's anger is not our anger. After all God is agape. How can a God, who is agape, destroy? Here's the answer: Hosea 11:8 "How can I give you up, O Ephraim? How can I hand you over, O Israel? How can I make you like Admah? How can I treat you like Zeboiim? My heart recoils within me; my compassion grows warm and tender." So, because God is agape and because agape cannot not in love force, God's wrath is the reluctant departure from those who have fully and ultimately rejected their need of Him. When God "goes away" His protection goes with Him. Quote
Robert Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) Hosea 11:8 "How can I give you up, O Ephraim? How can I hand you over, O Israel? How can I make you like Admah? How can I treat you like Zeboiim? My heart recoils within me; my compassion grows warm and tender." So, because God is agape and because agape cannot not in love force, God's wrath is the reluctant departure from those who have fully and ultimately rejected their need of Him. When God "goes away" His protection goes with Him. Here's more proof: "Then My anger (which is passive, as we will see:) will be kindled against them in that day, and A] I will forsake them and hide My face from them, B] and they will be consumed and many evils and troubles will come upon them; so that they will say in that day, A1] 'Is it not because our God is not among us that B2] these evils have come upon us?' Deut 31:17 Because unbelief & sin are cherished, God "goes away" and the result? Destruction. Conclusion: Let's not fear God, let's fear not having Him apart of our lives. Now Ellen White: "God destroys no man. Everyone who is destroyed will have destroyed himself. Everyone who stifles the admonitions of conscience is sowing the seeds of unbelief, and these will produce a sure harvest." "Sickness, suffering, and death are work of an antagonistic power. Satan is the destroyer; God is the restorer" God does not stand toward the sinner as an executioner of the sentence against transgression; but He leaves the rejectors of His mercy to themselves, to reap that which they have sown . Every ray of light rejected, every warning despised or unheeded, every passion indulged, every transgression of the law of God, is a seed sown which yields its unfailing harvest. The Spirit of God, persistently resisted, is at last withdrawn from the sinner, and then there is left no power to control the evil passions of the soul, and no protection from the malice and enmity of Satan. The destruction of Jerusalem is a fearful and solemn warning to all who are trifling with the offers of divine grace and resisting the pleadings of divine mercy. Never was there given a more decisive testimony to God's hatred of sin and to the certain punishment that will fall upon the guilty. Edited July 24, 2015 by Robert Quote
GayatfootofCross Posted July 24, 2015 Author Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) Here's more proof: "Then My anger (which is passive, as we will see:) will be kindled against them in that day, and A] I will forsake them and hide My face from them, B] and they will be consumed and many evils and troubles will come upon them; so that they will say in that day, A1] 'Is it not because our God is not among us that B2] these evils have come upon us?' Deut 31:17 Because unbelief & sin are cherished, God "goes away" and the result? Destruction. Conclusion: Let's not fear God, let's fear not having Him apart of our lives. Now Ellen White: "God destroys no man. Everyone who is destroyed will have destroyed himself. Everyone who stifles the admonitions of conscience is sowing the seeds of unbelief, and these will produce a sure harvest." "Sickness, suffering, and death are work of an antagonistic power. Satan is the destroyer; God is the restorer" God does not stand toward the sinner as an executioner of the sentence against transgression; but He leaves the rejectors of His mercy to themselves, to reap that which they have sown . Every ray of light rejected, every warning despised or unheeded, every passion indulged, every transgression of the law of God, is a seed sown which yields its unfailing harvest. The Spirit of God, persistently resisted, is at last withdrawn from the sinner, and then there is left no power to control the evil passions of the soul, and no protection from the malice and enmity of Satan. The destruction of Jerusalem is a fearful and solemn warning to all who are trifling with the offers of divine grace and resisting the pleadings of divine mercy. Never was there given a more decisive testimony to God's hatred of sin and to the certain punishment that will fall upon the guilty. Yes God does punish. I did not say He does not Thank you for sharing. But to tell you the truth ...... Most SDA's know this stuff by heart.. It is allover SDA internet sites! Its the other stuff I share that I see missed when talking of the LGBTIQQA communities. You may have missed the entire context. As sick and sinful as we are it is hard to stand in the presence of such Goodness to us without going ..BUT BUT BUT! GBU Robert! thank you again for sharing what is on your heart. #all posts share a bit of ourselves Edited July 24, 2015 by GayatfootofCross Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
GayatfootofCross Posted July 24, 2015 Author Posted July 24, 2015 BTW appreciate the theology of GOD removing protection. ! Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
pnattmbtc Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 BTW appreciate the theology of GOD removing protection. ! Me too. GayatfootofCross 1 Quote Christ exalted the character of God, attributing to him the praise, and giving to him the credit, of the whole purpose of his own mission on earth,--to set men right through the revelation of God.
GayatfootofCross Posted July 28, 2015 Author Posted July 28, 2015 Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
LifeHiscost Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 What I get from that is , "I do that but you do this". The bible addresses the lack of wisdom in that. 12.....when they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are without understanding....2 Corinthians 10 God is Love! Jesus saves! Quote Lift Jesus up!!
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