stinsonmarri Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 27 minutes ago, B/W Photodude said: It has as much to do with the moral law as you going on a tantrum regarding Trump when the original post had nothing to do with him. Sounds like you have the tantrum. You cannot distinguish between political and spiritual. I can and I see from your writing what you really want to do! It shows very clear when people become delusional believing a lie rather the truth. They act the way do do! I just state what he does that is sinful. You even said he has done wrong things. So can you please make up your mind! Take it easy, it is going to be okay! Peace! phkrause 1 Quote
stinsonmarri Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 30 minutes ago, B/W Photodude said: This has gone beyond any rational discussion. And it is a violation of the moral law to trash a thread for your own agenda. I wonder who is not being rational when a person cannot state a rational fact about a leader who commits immoral acts on a spiritual thread! You pointed out leaders and I agree and even stated others in a very rational way! But it appears when one is delusional, irrational, having tantrum because his leader that he adores is lying and have committed open sin, without remorse! He loves it and you accepts it, go figure. You need to just pray and think about it okay! I am just standing for truth nothing political in what I have stated, nothing! Again, I say: Peace! phkrause 1 Quote
BlessedMan Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 2 hours ago, stinsonmarri said: Where in the Bible does is say in the prophecies that this specific man was anointed an adulterer who has not apologized but lied and say he did not do what he was accuse of! That is not politic, that is breaking the Moral Law! Peace! I think its time to relax on your DT attacks. Calling him "an adulterer" and then basing that as a reason for God not using/wanting to use him would mean that NO ONE on earth could ever be a Church leader or any other thing in any other church, because none of us meet the "Bible qualifications" anymore. It is simpler to go with God's well-established plan that He can and He DOES use all kinds of people in His work, and, in fact, we all quote from an adulterer almost every-time we read the Bible in The Book of Psalms! (to use your principle - stretched out to its farther reaches). 2 hours ago, stinsonmarri said: that is breaking the Moral Law! Its none of our business what "moral law" we think our national leaders have broken. For one thing, unless you were a fly on the wall and saw first-hand, why would you hijack this thread just to "prove" something you can only go by newspaper innuendos and cliches to "prove"? None of us can deny the text from Dan 2: 21 Quote "He gives power to kings, and he takes their power away. He gives wisdom to people, so they become wise. He lets people learn things and become wise. " Like it or not; DT is there for a reason - and not just any reason - its GODS REASON. I could be "wrong" but from what I know, DT has done more to help "the Church" than most other US politicians in recent memory. Is he perfect? No. Did God put him there? Yes. (lol, I cant believe, Im a Canadian and just said all that) B/W Photodude, rudywoofs (Pam), 8thdaypriest and 1 other 4 Quote (2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. Light In The Clouds _____________________________ In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..." (Micah 7:8).
BlessedMan Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, stinsonmarri said: You need to just pray and think about it okay! well, the only "prayer" Im gonna do now is to just pray for an "answer" as to how anyone thinks they know what DT does in private with ANY woman, anywhere. Id also be willing to wager a lot of money that the only "proof" would be from "the news," which is solid codswallop. B/W Photodude 1 Quote (2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. Light In The Clouds _____________________________ In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..." (Micah 7:8).
stinsonmarri Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 45 minutes ago, BlessedMan said: I think its time to relax on your DT attacks. Calling him "an adulterer" and then basing that as a reason for God not using/wanting to use him would mean that NO ONE on earth could ever be a Church leader or any other thing in any other church, because none of us meet the "Bible qualifications" anymore. It is simpler to go with God's well-established plan that He can and He DOES use all kinds of people in His work, and, in fact, we all quote from an adulterer almost every-time we read the Bible in The Book of Psalms! (to use your principle - stretched out to its farther reaches). Its none of our business what "moral law" we think our national leaders have broken. For one thing, unless you were a fly on the wall and saw first-hand, why would you hijack this thread just to "prove" something you can only go by newspaper innuendos and cliches to "prove"? None of us can deny the text from Dan 2: 21 Like it or not; DT is there for a reason - and not just any reason - its GODS REASON. I could be "wrong" but from what I know, DT has done more to help "the Church" than most other US politicians in recent memory. Is he perfect? No. Did God put him there? Yes. (lol, I cant believe, Im a Canadian and just said all that) Blessed Man: Don't have to be a fly when it is known. I can stand firmly base on what is known about any leader and say they have broke the Commandments. It so strange to me that, so many will strike out base on parties condemning the Clinton's and even making books and lies about their lives and others. But you need to check me because I stand and say that this man is a liar a known adulter, a racist (my people, not loving his brother and sisters of another color), and other things he have said himself. Then all want to claim he is anointed by whom, it is certainly not from on HIGH! Then here comes telling what people should or should not do base on your political acceptance. We all have choices and I can call ALL LEADERS not from one political parties but both who are wrong and break YAHWEH'S Commandments. Some here don't like it and that's on you but I can state upfront what he does spiritually that is wrong. Again, many of you have agree so please stand up and allow people to call all of those who are leaders in THE EYES of YAHWEH that they are wrong! He is not anointed by YAHWEH that too is a LIE! It is delusional and I do not agree with it and I have that right and choice to say it. You want to accept it go ahead I will not! I will continue to speak out about it. If someone in the Democratic party stands up and do immoral things I speak up the same way. I don't let parties rule me! YAHSHUA'S Saves! Thank You Very Much! Quote
stinsonmarri Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, BlessedMan said: well, the only "prayer" Im gonna do now is to just pray for an "answer" as to how anyone thinks they know what DT does in private with ANY woman, anywhere. Id also be willing to wager a lot of money that the only "proof" would be from "the news," which is solid codswallop. No ones know what anyone's does in private period! But, all knows he had affair he paid for it and lied about it. He stated it himself and I heard him first deny it. The his personal lawyer stated it, then he stated himself. Would you like to see the tape? It would be nice if people will accept the truth! He also said he was anointed, I heard that from his mouth also! So, I can apologize when I make a mistake I hope you will too. It was heard from his own mouth so no one had to know what is going on in his bedroom, he exploits it himself! Thank You! Quote
stinsonmarri Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 2 hours ago, BlessedMan said: t is simpler to go with God's well-established plan that He can and He DOES use all kinds of people in His work, and, in fact, we all quote from an adulterer almost every-time we read the Bible in The Book of Psalms! (to use your principle - stretched out to its farther reaches). This is incorrect, YAHWEH never used a practice adulter. All who serve THE MOST HIGH confess, change, became humble and work with authority! Not this man who lies, lies again, shows contempt, bragg that he is perfect, said that he is anointed which is blasphemous! You cannot compare righteous people who changed with this man! It is so sad how people are caught in delusion that they will believe a lie! I will take a stand for YAHWEH truth and justice surrounded by those who easy condemn others! Have Mercy FATHER! Quote
BlessedMan Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, stinsonmarri said: Blessed Man: Don't have to be a fly when it is known. Its actually NOT known, you only "know" what you have heard. Please, tell us more abut the Psalmist, and his adultery. Was it before, or during his "relationship" with God? Methinks its time to give Trump the same latitude we give the Psalmist. King David sinned while serving God! The whole reason scripture even mentions all that is because The Bible does not hide from the issues, and it acknowledges that "all have sinned," and it gives everyone the second chance that we keep saying we should get! Its become a social trend and a hedonistic virtue to pick on DT. My recommendation is that the church should never encourage that! JoeMo and B/W Photodude 2 Quote (2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. Light In The Clouds _____________________________ In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..." (Micah 7:8).
B/W Photodude Posted November 18, 2019 Author Posted November 18, 2019 10 hours ago, BlessedMan said: I think its time to relax on your DT attacks. Calling him "an adulterer" and then basing that as a reason for God not using/wanting to use him would mean that NO ONE on earth could ever be a Church leader or any other thing in any other church, because none of us meet the "Bible qualifications" anymore. Methinks stinsonmarri has an unnatural obsession with Donald Trump's personal sex life! Quote >>>Texts in blue type are quotes<<< ***************************************************************************** And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. --Shakespeare from Hamlet ***************************************************************************** Bill Liversidge Seminars The Emergent Church and the Invasion of Spiritualism
JoeMo Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 21 hours ago, BlessedMan said: why does everyone have money? (I mean governments). We keep getting told the US is broke, but why do they always have money to lend others Because - unlike us private citizens - the government can just print more money. But I believe a day of reckoning is coming. B/W Photodude and 8thdaypriest 2 Quote
JoeMo Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 14 hours ago, stinsonmarri said: Here we go speaking things political, what does Social Security have to do with the Moral Law? Social Security is not "politics"; it is a way to address the moral obligation for a nation to take care of it's sick and elderly. It's not perfect; and it is manipulated by politicians; but Social Security takes care of a lot of my needs in retirement. That being said, I would not be surprised if SS is politically weaponized in the future. B/W Photodude and 8thdaypriest 2 Quote
JoeMo Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 13 hours ago, stinsonmarri said: I wonder who is not being rational when a person cannot state a rational fact about a leader who commits immoral acts on a spiritual thread! I wonder who is not being rational when a person cannot accept that God forgives confessed sin committed years (even decades) ago. God forgives sinners when they repent. He remembers their sin no more. Do you know for a fact that the sitting President has not repented of his past sins? Do you know his heart? If you are without sin, feel free to cast stones. If you are NOT without sin, please stop your judgement and condemnation. For the record, I don't think any of us condone sin. I accept that the sitting President was (and is) a sinner. So were/are every other human that ever lived except Yeshua. There is a difference between accepting that someone has sinned and condoning their sin. For example, I accept that people have abortions; but by no means do I condone it. B/W Photodude and 8thdaypriest 2 Quote
stinsonmarri Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 11 hours ago, BlessedMan said: Its actually NOT known, you only "know" what you have heard. Please, tell us more abut the Psalmist, and his adultery. Was it before, or during his "relationship" with God? Methinks its time to give Trump the same latitude we give the Psalmist. King David sinned while serving God! The whole reason scripture even mentions all that is because The Bible does not hide from the issues, and it acknowledges that "all have sinned," and it gives everyone the second chance that we keep saying we should get! Its become a social trend and a hedonistic virtue to pick on DT. My recommendation is that the church should never encourage that! David knew THE MOST HIGH and he allowed his desire to get in the way. What he did was both adultery and murder. His child did not live because of what he did. When Nathan came and told him, he repented, but he still had to reap what he had sowed. He wanted his life to be taken rather than the child. President Trump admitted Thursday to reimbursing his lawyer for a $130,000 payment made on 2016 election to Stormy Daniels; it was part of a settlement about sexual encounter with Trump. Why would you pay for something you did not do. He also, pay through David Pecker, Chairman and CEO of American Media, who was given a non-prosecution agreement by NY State Attorney General in exchange for confessing he helped Trump to hide his illicit affair with McDougal. Cohen went to jail and the man in the WH is listed on the court papers. You know that they close down his foundation for stealing and there is the courts he went through concerning the situation in New York. I will not get into detail with the rest because it is political. I will continue to state, I am only dealing with his none-remorse immoral acts that are known, nothing else. You all can twist things anyway you want but my stand is on what is facts concerning breaking YAHWEH'S Laws! I am going to stand through all of your comments, anger, tantrum, misinformation because that is what you do when you accept someone. You all yourselves know he tweets about himself, we all heard him say, he was the chosen one. So, I am going to stand in spite of what you say! I strongly disagree that's my choice and you have made your's! Thank You! Quote
stinsonmarri Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 2 hours ago, JoeMo said: Social Security is not "politics"; it is a way to address the moral obligation for a nation to take care of it's sick and elderly. It's not perfect; and it is manipulated by politicians; but Social Security takes care of a lot of my needs in retirement. That being said, I would not be surprised if SS is politically weaponized in the future. YAHSHUA said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to YAHWEH the things that are YAHWEH'S." Matthew 22:21 I rest my stand on the Bible and that is where I will stand! Thank You! Quote
BlessedMan Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, stinsonmarri said: Why would you pay for something you did not do. If one actually does look into the history that can be verified, the first thing to point out is that those payments did not admit to guilt of anything. They were made for other reasons entirely. You are cooking up a bunch of "sin" where you have no way of knowing, nor do you know where DT or anyone else stands in God's eyes, so its time to stop all this "standing" you think you are doing and just SIT DOWN. No matter how many Bible verses you quote, you still cannot say how DT stands before God. B/W Photodude and 8thdaypriest 2 Quote (2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. Light In The Clouds _____________________________ In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..." (Micah 7:8).
stinsonmarri Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 2 hours ago, JoeMo said: I wonder who is not being rational when a person cannot accept that God forgives confessed sin committed years (even decades) ago. God forgives sinners when they repent. He remembers their sin no more. Do you know for a fact that the sitting President has not repented of his past sins? Do you know his heart? If you are without sin, feel free to cast stones. If you are NOT without sin, please stop your judgement and condemnation. For the record, I don't think any of us condone sin. I accept that the sitting President was (and is) a sinner. So were/are every other human that ever lived except Yeshua. There is a difference between accepting that someone has sinned and condoning their sin. For example, I accept that people have abortions; but by no means do I condone it. Sure, YAHWEH forgives. He has not ask forgiven and he continues to lie! He stole using a non-profit foundation for himself. Show where he ask YAHWEH to forgive him! Again, I told you where I stand on abortion. A rapist, get his victim pregnant and she choose to abort that is her choice. The sin of rape is the act! I do not condom abortion and there are problems that I have. Just reason in Georgia a couple adopted a child and abuse her to death. So, this is a double situation and I feel that counseling should be involved. This is a personal problem and again that is between YAHWEH and that woman. She is not broadcasting her problem. Let say this also, so many rich people who claim Christianity have done abortions and hide it for years. Poor woman are targeted not because they are known, but because they are poor. The sin is sex, but YAHWEH winks at their ignorance. The man in the WH know exactly what he does and he does not care at all! He suckers others to fight for his evil deeds and here it is! Peace! Quote
stinsonmarri Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, BlessedMan said: If one actually does look into the history that can be verified, the first thing to point out is that those payments did not admit to guilt of anything. They were made for other reasons entirely. You are cooking up a bunch of "sin" where you have no way of knowing, nor do you know where DT or anyone else stands in God's eyes, so its time to stop all this "standing" you think you are doing and just SIT DOWN. No matter how many Bible verses you quote, you still cannot say how DT stands before God. If you want to believe that, fine! I don't and we both have I own mind! That is call choice! Thank You! Quote
8thdaypriest Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 16 hours ago, stinsonmarri said: I wonder who is not being rational when a person cannot state a rational fact about a leader who commits immoral acts on a spiritual thread! You pointed out leaders and I agree and even stated others in a very rational way! But it appears when one is delusional, irrational, having tantrum because his leader that he adores is lying and have committed open sin, without remorse! He loves it and you accepts it, go figure. You need to just pray and think about it okay! I am just standing for truth nothing political in what I have stated, nothing! Again, I say: Peace! This is where it always goes. Dems calling those who voted for Trump, "deceived" and/or "immoral". And what would those who voted for/supported Hillary be? "Moral" with "eyes open"? Hardly. B/W Photodude 1 Quote 8thdaypriest
8thdaypriest Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 17 hours ago, stinsonmarri said: when one is delusional, irrational, I don't believe I am "delusional" or "irrational". A billionaire businessman slept with more than one woman, was married three times, is blunt and direct, brags a lot, doesn't always "turn the other cheek", etc. etc. Agreed. I see that. Are those things enough to made me vote Democrat? No! Is he racist? I don't believe so. I have not seen that. Many of his policies greatly benefit black and brown people. Has he lied about his personal relationships? Maybe. Can't say clearly. Is that enough to make me vote Democrat? No. I'm not his judge. Have his responsibilities as president changed him? I believe so. His pastor says DT has sensed his need for God, and has asked God for help to do what is best for the USA and for the world. I do NOT "adore" Trump. I simply like his POLICIES, better than I like those of the opposing candidates. I also like the way he keeps his promises/pledges. It has become obvious that he was not making those promises in order to get elected. He wanted to be elected so that he could keep those promises. JoeMo and B/W Photodude 2 Quote 8thdaypriest
Members phkrause Posted November 19, 2019 Members Posted November 19, 2019 Trump and Ryan Agree: Let’s Dismantle Social Security https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-and-ryan-agree-lets_b_9992656 The Republican Obsession With Dismantling Social Security And Medicare https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-republican-obsession-with-dismantling-social-security_b_587a4bb9e4b077a19d180e11 Are Republicans seeking to ‘get rid of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security’? https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/10/23/are-republicans-seeking-get-rid-medicare-medicaid-social-security/ Senate Republicans Set Sights On Cutting Social Security https://www.forbes.com/sites/teresaghilarducci/2018/10/16/senate-republicans-set-sights-on-cutting-social-security/ Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Members phkrause Posted November 19, 2019 Members Posted November 19, 2019 And here's more Trump says he may begin cutting Social Security and Medicare if he wins in 2020 https://news.yahoo.com/trump-says-may-begin-cutting-201130207.html? Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
stinsonmarri Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 7 hours ago, 8thdaypriest said: This is where it always goes. Dems calling those who voted for Trump, "deceived" and/or "immoral". And what would those who voted for/supported Hillary be? "Moral" with "eyes open"? Hardly. No, Rachel you are totally wrong. I do not hang on to a party you do or would not call me a Democrat. I am a sinner saved by grace. Parties do not save me, neither does the one you claim which I do not care that you are affiliated with. My soul is not wade over your choice of parties, again, I been over. Where my concern is that you and others have admitted is sinful conduct when you all have said he says and does things wrong. That is what I am saying you are delusional about because you accept his lying. You know he stole from his non-profit foundation. You know he has committed adultery. Yet, you look over it. Not one of you have provided anything to show that a party cause him to be caught. Morality should be more important then any party. You can throw other people up against the Morality wall but him. Now, that is irrational and you should wonder why. Again, over and over you place this ridiculous party clause because you have nothing to stand on. You want to intimidate me because YOU ALL KNOW I AM TELLING THE TRUTH and you just get all upset. You shouldn't if I don't get upset with you on the people you shown in leading position has sin, then do the same thing. I will speak out that is my choice and my right! So I will continue to make it known that he is immoral and do not care about it. Thank You! Quote
stinsonmarri Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 7 hours ago, 8thdaypriest said: I don't believe I am "delusional" or "irrational". A billionaire businessman slept with more than one woman, was married three times, is blunt and direct, brags a lot, doesn't always "turn the other cheek", etc. etc. Agreed. I see that. Are those things enough to made me vote Democrat? No! Is he racist? I don't believe so. I have not seen that. Many of his policies greatly benefit black and brown people. Has he lied about his personal relationships? Maybe. Can't say clearly. Is that enough to make me vote Democrat? No. I'm not his judge. Have his responsibilities as president changed him? I believe so. His pastor says DT has sensed his need for God, and has asked God for help to do what is best for the USA and for the world. I do NOT "adore" Trump. I simply like his POLICIES, better than I like those of the opposing candidates. I also like the way he keeps his promises/pledges. It has become obvious that he was not making those promises in order to get elected. He wanted to be elected so that he could keep those promises. Rachel: You can excuse him of what he has done all you want. Business man, police, doctor. lawyer etc., what he did and still is doing is wrong. Is he racist and you don't believe so is truly sad. Walk a mile in a black person shoe! I will not even go further with this! There is no maybe if you lied! Are you serious!!!!! What pastor??? That man could even quote scriptures correctly! He sense god alright, yes he the chosen one. Boy this is so sad and just can't believe it. Well what you already said you act like you adore him know that he well may be lied? What is that????? If you like his policies I have no right to question that here! I am only dealing with is his immoral actions that deals with being remorse and he doesn't. I keep telling you all that! I will not entertain politics, Joe help me to see that and I am sticking firm to it. This about being obedient to what you know is right and he hasn't! That's it! Peace! Quote
JoeMo Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 1 hour ago, phkrause said: Trump and Ryan Agree: Let’s Dismantle Social Security ... The Republican Obsession With Dismantling Social Security And Medicare ... Are Republicans seeking to ‘get rid of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security’? ... Senate Republicans Set Sights On Cutting Social Security ... Trump says he may begin cutting Social Security and Medicare if he wins in 2020 I read most of the articles you posted; and most of them are based on comments made by Sen. Mitch McConnell, not President Trump. Furthermore, the articles also said this issue could only be addressed in a bipartisan manner; nothing in them about a Trump or Republican "edict". No matter who does it, federal entitlements are going to have to be adjusted before 2035 by either reducing payments or increasing contributions. When SS was put in place, the average lifespan of people was about 68 years old and there were about many times more contributors than recipients cuz recipients had many children and grandchildren in the work force. I doubt that they ever envisioned a time when people would live on the average into their mid eighties and have many fewer kids and grandkids in the workforce. I feel sorry for our kids and grandkids. Not only will they probably receive less SS than us Boomers, but most of them will not have an employer provided pension, either (which many of us boomers had). B/W Photodude 1 Quote
JoeMo Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, stinsonmarri said: This about being obedient to what you know is right and he hasn't! He never claimed he was a righteous man. None of us have been obedient to what we know is right. Only if you are without sin are you qualified to throw stones at others. Try to separate his alleged immorality from the awesome job he is doing in fulfilling all of his campaign promises. If you think Trump is so bad, who else running for President would/do you support instead of Trump? Are any of them better than he is? B/W Photodude 1 Quote
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