BlessedMan Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 On 12/27/2019 at 10:00 AM, JoeMo said: If you are familiar with Dr. Heiser, are you familiar with some of his contemporaries, like Tom Horn and Mark Putnam? "Name-dropping" does not a Bible truth make JoeMo and phkrause 1 1 (2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. Light In The Clouds _____________________________ In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..." (Micah 7:8).
B/W Photodude Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 This post was especially annoying. And like they say ... "and she persisted." On 12/25/2019 at 3:33 PM, stinsonmarri said: This is the problem is was not to just about you it was about your comment and how things have been done in this society. One brother hating the other brother for whatever reason. You make a lot of prejudgements regarding what I write. I really don't find much difference in prejudging some one and racism, it is just more hidden. On 12/25/2019 at 3:33 PM, stinsonmarri said: Why do my ancestor have to loose all of their identity or is that stretching it too? You can trace your family back to your homeland but I guess it is stretching that I cannot, I have to take an DNA to know where my family line comes from Many people do not even know who their great grandparents were and can only guess where their ancestry is from. Part of why people are so into dna charts showing where their ancestors are from. And Alex Haley did a good job with his ancestry, A lot of kids today do not even know who their daddy is and neither do their mommas! The Maury Povich Show demonstrates that all the time! On 12/25/2019 at 3:33 PM, stinsonmarri said: Oh, so you don't thank Jesus is white and Egypt is white people (they came from Ham to so they are not Black either) and Moses is white also, must I go on! So, you don't think all of Shem was White either and that's not important or relevant as you state. I don't spend a lot of time speculating on what color Jesus or Moses were. Sometimes you have to get past skin color. I have written before here and elsewhere on the irrelevance of skin color to anything when it comes to spiritual and/or religious situations. The only people who really need to consider skin color are photographers. So, ask a photographer what the difference between a black person and a white person and they might say "2 f-stops." On 12/25/2019 at 3:33 PM, stinsonmarri said: Black people have no reason at all to speak out and address the issues if we do it is the racist card thingy!!!! Well, when you have an agenda to grind, whatever drives you affects your conclusions. For instance, if I were reading Aryan nations literature, they may have very interesting ideas regarding where different nations originated. However, because of their expressed hatred for others, I can't take their history as being reliable. They are revising history to suit their purposes. I tend to see you in the same position. You are somewhat obsessed with skin color and spelling of names of which few others use, so I have to disregard anything you have to say regarding history. Having degrees in history does not really make you right. There are any number of others out there with impressive academic credentials but with questionable ethics behind their reasoning. You will find people all the time trying to revise history to fit their agendas. And people even try to revise biblical history. On 12/25/2019 at 3:33 PM, stinsonmarri said: See here is the problem with you, that you would tell this story of a Black man who was very ignorant and equate it to the things I stated! NEVER have I made any claim on this forum about stupidity, NEVER! You, to me will pick something like that to put all the evil that has been done to people of color over this Black man who was a disgrace, disrespectful and full of hate himself and to use the word racism for something as petty as that! (The problem with me!) I used that story to illustrate a point that some are using ridiculous situations to pull out the race care. It was an example of how I was faced with this kind of behavior. And "evil that has been done to people of color"? You can find tons of examples all over the world where evil has been done to every color there is by every color there is. People do it across color lines and they even do it within color lines. The Hutus and the Tutsis did enormous damage to each other in the Rwandan massacres. And of course, Germans did enormous injury to people of like color be they Jews, Christians, gays, invalid, or just "lives not worthy of living." On 12/25/2019 at 3:33 PM, stinsonmarri said: I deal with reality and historical facts, things that are educational, Biblical most of all and you provide this is unbelievable! I think you really are too judgemental regarding others to really be dealing with reality and facts. Reality is easily distorted by personal agenda. JoeMo and BlessedMan 1 1 >>>Texts in blue type are quotes<<< ***************************************************************************** And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. --Shakespeare from Hamlet ***************************************************************************** Bill Liversidge Seminars The Emergent Church and the Invasion of Spiritualism
JoeMo Posted January 2, 2020 Author Posted January 2, 2020 On 12/29/2019 at 9:24 PM, BlessedMan said: "Name-dropping" does not a Bible truth make No name-dropping intended. I was just asking if someone was familiar with some other authors. I am very tempted to leave this forum altogether. All some people want to do is bully other people just because their views are different. I think that is the main reason many people who used to post a lot don't post any more. They get sick and tired of being told how wrong they are by certain saints. It becomes very difficult to post anything other than the "SDA truth" as perceived by these saints without getting told how wrong one is or criticized personally in other ways. There are plenty of other Christian forums out there where people can discuss things without being put down.
BlessedMan Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, JoeMo said: They get sick and tired of being told how wrong they are by certain saints. Well I hope you are not calling me one of these "saints?" lol I am NOT qualified. I think if anyone chooses to not post, that its their decision and they cant blame someone else for it. It seems to just boil down to some who hate to be questioned and who wish the questions would stop, and when they dont; then its "abuse," or some such thing. phkrause 1 (2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. Light In The Clouds _____________________________ In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..." (Micah 7:8).
BlessedMan Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 21 hours ago, B/W Photodude said: I think you really are too judgemental regarding others to really be dealing with reality and facts. Reality is easily distorted by personal agenda. There is a lot of this kind of thing online now. Big Media is getting us all trained to do just that! Its been normalized for a while now that when someone doesn't agree, then they are "arguing" "bullying" etc. I was just saying about myself to you the other night, that i felt like leaving the forum, and I realized its more to do with me than anyone else posting here. So I was more talking about myself in my last post above. There is a strong trend of stigmatizing anyone we don't agree with, almost everywhere, online & off. "The internet" is normalizing this kind of behavior with the guilty always before proven so, and "combative" if we challenge a line of thinking that another person feels very strongly about. Online forums, in general, are not as popular as they used to be. A sign of the times. It boils down to why we are online. Some are here to "win" while others want to "witness," and others yet want to learn. I wouldn't be too hasty in generalizing everyone into the same bracket. Communication online is much broader than its rudimentary components of writing and/or listening, much bigger than the mere exchange of supposedly objective information. Whether one’s aim is strategic: as in (to achieve a certain end) or relational (to connect), Our communication involves a meaningful exchange (meaningful to us any way) that sometimes does not lead to satisfactory understanding. We are all human, we are all different. I like the way Desmond Tutu puts it: Quote Language is very powerful. Language does not just describe reality. Language creates the reality it describes. —DESMOND TUTU I need to remember this more. I think there are some quotes by EGW on this too. B/W Photodude 1 (2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. Light In The Clouds _____________________________ In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..." (Micah 7:8).
stinsonmarri Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 On 1/1/2020 at 10:46 PM, B/W Photodude said: you make a lot of prejudgements regarding what I write. I really don't find much difference in prejudging some one and racism, it is just more hidden. No; I take you at face value based on what you wrote. It amazing how quickly the word judgment is used to avoid the facts. You are not judging me but I have to always be judging you. When you make unfounded statement without historical facts, that is not judging that is letting you know that you seriously have a problem and refused to deal with it! Critiquing is not judging, when have I condemn you or sentence you to prison? On 1/1/2020 at 10:46 PM, B/W Photodude said: Many people do not even know who their great grandparents were and can only guess where their ancestry is from. Part of why people are so into dna charts showing where their ancestors are from. And Alex Haley did a good job with his ancestry, I guess you will say I judging again, because this is not true at all! There are many genealogy sites now and it all started with the Latter Day Saints. When you don't want to know true history, you try to clump everyone together and it does not work. Try a different line this one has no merit! On 1/1/2020 at 10:46 PM, B/W Photodude said: I don't spend a lot of time speculating on what color Jesus or Moses were. Sometimes you have to get past skin color. I have written before here and elsewhere on the irrelevance of skin color to anything when it comes to spiritual and/or religious situations. The only people who really need to consider skin color are photographers. So, ask a photographer what the difference between a black person and a white person and they might say "2 f-stops." The Bible deals with culture and culture has to do with color and YAHWEH created color. So, when you put down HIS SON'S CREATIVE POWER you put down THEM! YAHWEH chose you to have pigmentation you have as he chose me to have the pigmentation I have. Here is the problem no ones wants to deal with the facts nor the culture as long as everything is White, which is a color. But if a Black person wants to make a reference to their culture (which is important because the Bible talks about the three sons of Noah) no need to speculate! Cute! Now, I remember way back when you tried to state that the Hebrews wrote a rock out in the midwest. I told that was not factual and you went belisted. Did you forget? I bet you did, it was fine for you but not fine for me. Speculation right! On 1/1/2020 at 10:46 PM, B/W Photodude said: Well, when you have an agenda to grind, whatever drives you affects your conclusions. For instance, if I were reading Aryan nations literature, they may have very interesting ideas regarding where different nations originated. However, because of their expressed hatred for others, I can't take their history as being reliable. They are revising history to suit their purposes. I tend to see you in the same position. You are somewhat obsessed with skin color and spelling of names of which few others use, so I have to disregard anything you have to say regarding history. Having degrees in history does not really make you right. There are any number of others out there with impressive academic credentials but with questionable ethics behind their reasoning. You will find people all the time trying to revise history to fit their agendas. And people even try to revise biblical history. No, I stand up for skin color and you do not like it! White is right! Black people don't you dare talk about skin color but White people can all the time. Many children only think that only Black people lived in the ghettos, the Irish, the Jews, the Italians, the Polish ect. When the immigrants I just mention all came off the boat each one lived in the ghettos. In Israel today the Orthodox Jews lives in the ghettos. That is historical and need to be taught in the school system. People can talk about the Confederation, but don't keep mentioning chattel slavery, you know people was treated like cattle. Well don't realize on the Persians, or Northern India because all these people were Aryan tribes. Can't believe the Medes, or Cyrus, or the Saxon, the Swedes and Dutch they all are Aryan tribes. You can find hatred in all cultures so you better not believe any ancient history! See how that does not make any sense. We need to talk about all forms of sin to helps all us deal with it. Hatred is a sin and prejudice comes from hatred and Satan uses skin color to go against YAHWEH Creation of color! So, when you cannot deal with the race card thingy you are not dealing with the sin disease! So, you accuse me of being obsessed, which is judging me because you cannot deal with the truth about hating your brother. On 1/1/2020 at 10:46 PM, B/W Photodude said: (The problem with me!) I used that story to illustrate a point that some are using ridiculous situations to pull out the race care. It was an example of how I was faced with this kind of behavior. And "evil that has been done to people of color"? You can find tons of examples all over the world where evil has been done to every color there is by every color there is. People do it across color lines and they even do it within color lines. The Hutus and the Tutsis did enormous damage to each other in the Rwandan massacres. And of course, Germans did enormous injury to people of like color be they Jews, Christians, gays, invalid, or just "lives not worthy of living." You used it to and it made you and him ridiculous because it had nothing at all to do with prejudice. He told a lie and you wallow in because he was Black. What would you have done if the person was White, you would have ignored him and his ranting. But fail as he did because he was Black. He fail because he was full of hatred too and trying to force you off of an exercising machine was stupid and wrong. Then, he use the race card thingy being ignorant, selfish and angry for all the wrong reasons. You would have come out fine if you could understand that what he said was a lie and had nothing to do with history and facts. Instead, you fell for Satan's trick about the race card thinky and tried to use this here to justified that all Black people are just like him and we are not. When we express about hatred and prejudice it does not equate to this man. The sad part you did not see it either! On 1/1/2020 at 10:46 PM, B/W Photodude said: I think you really are too judgemental regarding others to really be dealing with reality and facts. Reality is easily distorted by personal agenda. You think, you really don't know? I know you have a problem when you could not decipher a ignorant person who happen to be Black and to categorize all Black people with him. That's the difference between me and you! I understand about culture, I realize there is problem here in America. I see it in the man in the WH, but you don't see it. You will walk around with blinders on and blame all Black people because we refuse to forget that our ancestors only was treated like property. The Jews can remember the holocaust and its horrific actions, but we can't! Interesting to say the lease! Well I will stand and cry out loud there is sin and hatred on your doors unto you can come to terms with it and talk about it. Stop blaming me for standing up for my ancestors! That is not an obsession that is bringing out the truth, historical facts, and others things many don't want to deal with out in the open. I am not going away, I will speak out and be heard! Too long the truth about my ancestors in the Bible was covered up too. The Phonecians and Canaanites were called White. Hannibal was depicted as being White, Goliath, Philistine, Egypt, Solomon, Queen Sheba. People lied on Ishamel stating Muslim religion came from him and his sons. That is not true. Islam came from, uh oh, Persians and Parthian, Aryan tribes that took over both the original Arabian people of Shem and Ham. Read your Bible, YAHWEH Said it would happen that Japheth would dwell in the tents of Shem! Persia took over the Elamites and made their capital city Susa their capital city. The Philistine lived on Crete and they come from Ham! Iran is the English translation for the word Aryan and it is ancient Persia! Iran is mixed with the Elamites and the Cushites, that's a fact too! But they are mostly caucasian and Aryan fighting Aryans base on religion! Facts! Happy Sabbath!
JoeMo Posted January 4, 2020 Author Posted January 4, 2020 Can we PULEEESE get off of the race card? This is supposed to be a Christ-centered topic; not one about racial sensitivity. Color won't matter at the Second Coming unless you make a contentious issue out of it. People may look at the outside (e.g., skin color); but Jesus looks at the heart. Racism (in both directions) is endemic in our fallen era. Some people are, but not everyone is a racist. At least for me, race is not an issue. I have African American, Asian, Hispanic, and Native American relatives and in-laws. Yes; I like most of them and don't like some of them; but it has to do with their character and not their skin color. There are saints of all colors and jerks of all colors. Can't we appreciate the diversity of our cultures rather than denigrate those who are afraid of diversity? B/W Photodude 1
B/W Photodude Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 12 hours ago, stinsonmarri said: that is not judging that is letting you know that you seriously have a problem ... When you don't want to know true history, you try to clump everyone together and it does not work. I told that was not factual and you went belisted. Did you forget? I bet you did, You can find hatred in all cultures so you better not believe any ancient history! You used it to and it made you and him ridiculous because You think, you really don't know? I know you have a problem when you could not Well I will stand and cry out loud there is sin and hatred on your doors And so she persisted!! >>>Texts in blue type are quotes<<< ***************************************************************************** And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. --Shakespeare from Hamlet ***************************************************************************** Bill Liversidge Seminars The Emergent Church and the Invasion of Spiritualism
BlessedMan Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 12 hours ago, stinsonmarri said: no ones wants to deal with the facts nor the culture as long as everything is White, this is what I mean when I say racism is a two-way street. Anti-racism is definitely racist at times. B/W Photodude 1 (2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. Light In The Clouds _____________________________ In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..." (Micah 7:8).
B/W Photodude Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 3 hours ago, JoeMo said: Can we PULEEESE get off of the race card? Racism (in both directions) is endemic in our fallen era. Some people are, but not everyone is a racist. At least for me, race is not an issue. I have African American, Asian, Hispanic, and Native American relatives and in-laws. Yes; I like most of them and don't like some of them; but it has to do with their character and not their skin color. Yeah, it gets annoying to be accused of being a racist and various other "crimes" for offering an opinion. My family has also become very international also. My kids are Jewish when they want to be with many cousins in Israel, I have Korean grandnephews, and my wife is Dominican (which according to the DominicanToday makes her approx half black. DominicanToday published a page which listed the ethnic makeup of Dominicans as approx 50% black, 40% Spanish, 5% Caribe Indian, and the remaining 5% various other ethnic groups). So, getting accused of all these crimes does not make this site a friendly place to be sometimes. I am sure I have some books to be reading! Actually, I have hundreds. JoeMo and BlessedMan 2 >>>Texts in blue type are quotes<<< ***************************************************************************** And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. --Shakespeare from Hamlet ***************************************************************************** Bill Liversidge Seminars The Emergent Church and the Invasion of Spiritualism
stinsonmarri Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 7 hours ago, B/W Photodude said: And so she persisted!! That's right and you do not like it because you cannot deal with the truth! Persistence is standing up for truth and justice especially when a person does not know how to accept the facts but turns a deaf ears to the facts; or come up with the story about a foolish man that happen to be Black! One foolish Black man over the problem of hatred and prejudice which is a sin. YAHWEH CREATED color not you or me and HE is persisted also YAHWEH is no respect of person or of color. Check out the story of Miriam and see how persistence HE was with her! Peace!
stinsonmarri Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 7 hours ago, BlessedMan said: this is what I mean when I say racism is a two-way street. Anti-racism is definitely racist at times. It is easy for you to say you having been mistreated base on the color of your skin! This is all talk because you nor photodude want accept the fact their is no racism. We all are one race, it is very plain and down right hatred and prejudice and it is a hard pill to swallow. The pill it is a sin to hate so you come up with all kind off the wall stuff instead of looking at the plain facts. Truth have been have been covered up making one's ethnic group thinking they are superior to the others and we all come from the same great grandaddy Noah! THE CREATOR Created color and it is a sin to hate one's color which is a part of his culture. It is also where he lived original because of his color of his skin. That's a fact! Live with it or deny it, you have to answer to THE MOST HIGH! You can talk about all other horrific things done to other cultures but not what was done to the Black's man culture. You made him like a beast of burden that was and is a sin and many have not stood up and speak out against it. But, yell and holler if you take down a flag or statute of those who wanted to keep them as a beast of burden. Interesting to say the lease! Took their name, plunder and took over their land, made them economically substandard. Took their dignity and their sense of being and call them all kind of derogatory names. But we can't speak out about or even talk about it because it is the race card thingy! Well guess what IT WAS A SIN THEN AND A SIN NOW! Peace! JoeMo 1
B/W Photodude Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 2 hours ago, stinsonmarri said: That's right and you do not like it because you cannot deal with ... And it continues! JoeMo 1 >>>Texts in blue type are quotes<<< ***************************************************************************** And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. --Shakespeare from Hamlet ***************************************************************************** Bill Liversidge Seminars The Emergent Church and the Invasion of Spiritualism
JoeMo Posted January 5, 2020 Author Posted January 5, 2020 12 hours ago, stinsonmarri said: The pill it is a sin to hate so you come up with all kind off the wall stuff instead of looking at the plain facts. I don't think anyone here is showing racism against anyone else. Frankly, I don't care what "color" Canaanites, Israelites, Jesus, or the apostles were. They were humans. The only thing that concerns me is that Jesus is Lord and Savior; and His disciples established the Church. Marrian, you live in a part of the country where racism was (maybe still is) rampant. Your experience defines who you are and how you think. Just because we haven't walked in your shoes doesn't mean we are racist. Arguably we may be ignorant of how racism impacted (or may still impact) your life; but that does not make us racist. Once again, I ask that this thread not be turned unto a racist rant, but that it stay centered on Christ. If you want to start a thread on racial relations, start it somewhere else. This is a theological town hall; not a race relations town hall. phkrause 1
stinsonmarri Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 11 hours ago, B/W Photodude said: And it continues! Typical you, now you have demoted yourself to name calling. This is exactly what I am referring to! So out of character with YAHWEH! Now, you can see how prejudice work! What next Photodude let's see who you really are! You cannot address the truth, so you react to this! Sad! I truly feel sorry for you! phkrause 1
stinsonmarri Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 7 hours ago, JoeMo said: I don't think anyone here is showing racism against anyone else. Frankly, I don't care what "color" Canaanites, Israelites, Jesus, or the apostles were. They were humans. The only thing that concerns me is that Jesus is Lord and Savior; and His disciples established the Church. Marrian, you live in a part of the country where racism was (maybe still is) rampant. Your experience defines who you are and how you think. Just because we haven't walked in your shoes doesn't mean we are racist. Arguably we may be ignorant of how racism impacted (or may still impact) your life; but that does not make us racist. Once again, I ask that this thread not be turned unto a racist rant, but that it stay centered on Christ. If you want to start a thread on racial relations, start it somewhere else. This is a theological town hall; not a race relations town hall. Joe: You did not even understand the point. I said that there is not such a word as racism! The word is prejudice and hatred! Racism does not make any sense because we all come from the Adams. I also stated that YAHWEH is the one not you or me that Created color. You made a statement of that it only impact my life shows a problem right there. It impacted a lot of people lives. It impacted Afrika, Australia, New Zealand and all the Indians here in both the Northern and Southern continent of America! It impact why children are in cages and I could go on. I have also said very clearly that my parents moved away from the south and I lived among both White and Black people so I have not experience what many have; but I feel their pain. Many White people have own up to what has happened in the past (and many have died for standing up, I have said this before too), and what is still happening today! My concern is there are many who don't want to talk about the agony and affliction that has been placed on African people. There have been horrific things done to others but nothing like what has been done to Afrikan people until I saw those children in cages. Now, if you think that YAHWEH is going to accept people into HIS Kingdom, which is what I will stand and say, due to hatred and prejudice and don't stand to call it by its right name; they are mistaken. I did not accuse you, but those who wanted to make an excuses and give it a false name called racism which many want to call the race card thingy is wrong. It is time to talk about it without being so defensive and coming up with ridiculous stories. Then they stoop low and call a person a cat because they stand up and speak up about things that are a sin! That's suppose to be okay, well it is not! I have a right to voice what has been done and it is a sin call hatred. Peace!
stinsonmarri Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 7 hours ago, JoeMo said: Frankly, I don't care what "color" Canaanites, Israelites, Jesus, or the apostles were. T That's sad because YAHWEH cares. The proof is Miriam, when she struck out at Moses wife. She called her the Cushite woman. Then Jer 13:23 made it very plain when it was ask can a Ethiopian which means Kush or Cush change his skin or a leopard his spots, this was dealing with color. Black should not dare mention their color but the Bible does. It is for you to care and not only to care, it is for you to love and to recognize hatred done to others because of their color Joe. It appears that is what you do not understand. You did not make color YAHSHUA did and everything HE made the Bible said it was good! I look at color everyday from the sky to the grass from the trees to the flowers. I look at the Bumble bee color and the ants color of different kind. I see the rainbow in the sky and we give our children crayons so they can color. THE ALMIGHTY ONES ARE MIGHTY BEINGS of color even there are blue, brown and yellow suns. The Universe is pitch black with speckles of stars that glow many colors. So to clarify I see color in the Canaanites, The Hebrew, the Persians, The Egyptians, The Indo Europeans, The Afrikan,s The Chineses, The Japaneses and all culture and people of the world. Why? Because YAHSHUA made it to be that way. Everything that lives have color and it matters because the CREATOR says so. So when anyone does anything to lease of any color person HE Created you do it unto HIM. HE CREATED AND RECOGNIZES COLOR and so do I! Blessing to THE ALMIGHTY ONES!
B/W Photodude Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 11 hours ago, stinsonmarri said: Typical you, now you have demoted yourself to name calling. This is exactly what I am referring to! There was not a single name called in that post! I do not know what your problem is, but I simply at the beginning of this round of incivility stated that not all of Ham's descendents were black. And you took off for days now with round after round of invectives such as these previously noted ones: stinsonmarri said: that is not judging that is letting you know that you seriously have a problem ... When you don't want to know true history, you try to clump everyone together and it does not work. I told that was not factual and you went belisted. Did you forget? I bet you did, You can find hatred in all cultures so you better not believe any ancient history! You used it to and it made you and him ridiculous because You think, you really don't know? I know you have a problem when you could not Well I will stand and cry out loud there is sin and hatred on your doors It does not go well when you go on another binge of name calling and judging people for stating an opinion about something. JoeMo 1 >>>Texts in blue type are quotes<<< ***************************************************************************** And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. --Shakespeare from Hamlet ***************************************************************************** Bill Liversidge Seminars The Emergent Church and the Invasion of Spiritualism
B/W Photodude Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 Merriam-Webster said: What is the definition of ' Races '? Definition of race (Entry 3 of 3) 1 : a breeding stock of animals. 2a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock. b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics. It is incorrect to say that there are no races or that we are all one race. We may be all one species, but we are different "breeds" or "races". Just like dogs are all one species, but there are different breeds. So, different ethnic groups can have different characteristics, but members of different groups can produce mixed "race" children. So, a group of humans who are isolated over time will develop uniform characteristics that allow others to by looking at them note they are of a particular ethnicity. When I used to spend a lot of time at dog shows, there were just over 100 breeds recognized by the American Kennel Club. Today there are 190. The Fédération Cynologique Internationale now recognizes in the neighborhood of 360 breeds. Typically, the FCI will recognize a breed when they have been breeding "true" for eight generations. (There are other issues such as organizations to support the breed and the development of a stud book, etc). To bring a discussion of dog shows, dog breeds, into a discussion of human races is not that irrelevant. In the US, back around the turn of the last century, they actually used to judge families at state fairs for how well bred the children were. Kansas State Fair was one such place as depicted in Winning family of the Fittest Family award. Unfortunately, there were those who were so into eugenics that those not considered worthy of reproducing became the objects of interests of such people as Margaret Sanger and the abortion movement. Many SDAs are unaware that John Harvey Kellogg was into eugenics and considered blacks inferior to whites even though he had an adopted black son. Long after Kellogg left the SDA church, he was known to consult with eugenics people from the NAZI party. It is often said that the Holocaust was partially inspired by how America treated minority citizens. Several years ago (or decades!), Time magazine had an issue with a computer generated image of what they thought the American of the future would look like after prejudiced decreased and large scale ethnic intermarriage occurred. So, you can go on a semantical exercise regarding the word race, but humans can form groups that will breed true to a standard after sufficient time passes. >>>Texts in blue type are quotes<<< ***************************************************************************** And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. --Shakespeare from Hamlet ***************************************************************************** Bill Liversidge Seminars The Emergent Church and the Invasion of Spiritualism
BlessedMan Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 On 1/4/2020 at 8:50 PM, stinsonmarri said: It is easy for you to say you having been mistreated base on the color of your skin! This is all talk because you nor photodude want accept the fact their is no racism. Can you show where I actually said this? I am pretty sure you cannot. I have never stated such a thing. Why is it so hard to believe that I have been mistreated based on the color of my skin? How do you know what I have been through or whats happened to me? Oh, thats right. I forgot. I am "white" so I must be lying. B/W Photodude 1 (2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. Light In The Clouds _____________________________ In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..." (Micah 7:8).
JoeMo Posted January 6, 2020 Author Posted January 6, 2020 15 hours ago, stinsonmarri said: You did not even understand the point. I said that there is not such a word as racism! I sure to hear that term a lot. You are the inly person I know who does not believe "racism" is a word. It's in every dictionary I have ever looked at, and it is never defined as slang. 22 hours ago, JoeMo said: Frankly, I don't care what "color" Canaanites, Israelites, Jesus, or the apostles were. 15 hours ago, stinsonmarri said: That's sad because YAHWEH cares. The "your" YAHWEH must be a "racist" (or whatever your word would be if racist is not a word in your language). My Bible says all men are equal in the eyes of God; that He does not look at the outer man but at the heart. What difference should the color of one's skin make to God? If God cares so much about skin color, I'd like to know what skin color has to do with salvation.
JoeMo Posted January 6, 2020 Author Posted January 6, 2020 Once again, I will ask that we at least try to stick to the topic. If someone wants to start a topic on racism, discrimination, or the origin of words, please start your own topic elsewhere. If you want to talk about the Second Coming, please post here. While skin color doesn't make a difference to God, I do believe that ethnicity does. God's Chosen people are Israel. The 144,000 are made up of 12,000 from each tribe of Israel. Evidently, God's Chosen people hold a special place in His heart. The 12 patriarchs (all Israelites) will sit on thrones in heaven. The 12 apostles (all Jews) will sit on thrones in heaven. Jesus Himself was a Jew. Ethnicity is important to satan as well. He has been trying to exterminate God's chosen people since Jacob started having children. Talk about racism (or "ethnicism" {not a word] for the language purists out there).
BlessedMan Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 5 hours ago, JoeMo said: God's Chosen people are Israel. The 144,000 are made up of 12,000 from each tribe of Israel. Evidently, God's Chosen people hold a special place in His heart. The 12 patriarchs (all Israelites) will sit on thrones in heaven. The 12 apostles (all Jews) will sit on thrones in heaven. Jesus Himself was a Jew. In the same way that you mentioned how "God doesn't care about skin color," He also doesn't care about these numbers we like to keep coming up with for who will be "saved" or "in heaven." In the same way that "God doesn't care about skin color," neither do His true children care a hill of beans about sitting on some throne "in heaven." Seems to me the Bible talks about the disciples gibbering away the journey with suppositions about who will "sit next" to Jesus, and the like. If thats all the second coming is going to boil down to is who sits where or on what, and exactly how many of us there "needs" to be; I am sorry, I don't have any interest in it at all. Thats nothing to do with christianity. phkrause 1 (2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. Light In The Clouds _____________________________ In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..." (Micah 7:8).
JoeMo Posted January 7, 2020 Author Posted January 7, 2020 18 hours ago, BlessedMan said: In the same way that you mentioned how "God doesn't care about skin color," He also doesn't care about these numbers we like to keep coming up with for who will be "saved" or "in heaven." In the same way that "God doesn't care about skin color," neither do His true children care a hill of beans about sitting on some throne "in heaven." Seems to me the Bible talks about the disciples gibbering away the journey with suppositions about who will "sit next" to Jesus, and the like. If thats all the second coming is going to boil down to is who sits where or on what, and exactly how many of us there "needs" to be; I am sorry, I don't have any interest in it at all. Thats nothing to do with christianity. Everything I said in the post you are criticizing came straight out of scripture. Show me one place in that post where I am taking license. Must you strive to find fault with every post? God must care about numbers. He uses them a lot.
BlessedMan Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, JoeMo said: Must you strive to find fault with every post? MUST you make it personal? I WAS just talking about the post, and the ideas. I did not say God doesnt care about numbers!!! Please learn to quote accurately. I didnt say you were "taking license," and I didnt say a word about God not caring about numbers. (2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. Light In The Clouds _____________________________ In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..." (Micah 7:8).
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