Two Second Comings?

[JoeMo]

11 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

However, those children who died in Sodom died because of their parents. We are not talking about the grown children. When Lot tried to talk to his grown children they refuse to obey! But we are talking about children they died with their parents and children will die again with their parents.

Sorry, I don't agree.  Taking your logic, babies who were aborted by their evil mothers would be thrown into the lake of fire; and deceased newborn babies whose evil mothers also died in childbirth would suffer the same fate. I can't accept that.

Besides, I don't believe Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexuality.  I believe they were destroyed because they were the hybrid offspring of fallen angels and human women. I believe Lot's wife and children could have been Nephillim. Not trying to start another debate about "sons of God"; just stating my belief; based on Jesus' comparison of the days of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah. You can believe what you choose. 

[8thdaypriest]

SDAs have no explanation of what God our Father will do with His beloved little children, who happen to have wicked parents - except to quote EW. 

Mrs White seemed to describe it both ways.  She was describing the resurrection of a little one, and wrote "we listen in vain for the rapturous cry of the mother".   Would that not imply the mother was missing because she was lost, and the "little one" was still made immortal?

On the other hand she wrote things that implied the small children (who died as small children) of lost parents could not "go to heaven". 

And of course, there was the statement about the "ignorant slave" being left "as if he had not been" - "like the beasts".

There was a fellow on this forum, who told us that "God can have a relationship with a four celled embryo", and that God saves babies and children on the basis of what they will become in the kingdom. 

Sorry.  I don't buy any of it. 

[BlessedMan]

1 minute ago, 8thdaypriest said:

SDAs have no explanation of what God our Father will do with His beloved little children, who happen to have wicked parents - except to quote EW. 

Im sorry but this is just simply not true, at all. This has no basis in fact. Its more than likely the case that some do have an answer, and it is not well-liked. This is NOT an official Adventist teaching by any stretch.

Of course, this statement is made without any references or solid proof. The Bible is clear on this subject; and to be frank, its none of our business how God does things and "saves" people. Regardless of the age. He is able to save "to the uttermost," (Heb 7:25), and "His ways are past finding out." (Rom 11:33).

It is a matter of trusting God to do what we see no way of doing. There doesnt need to be a list, from a to b for everything when it comes to salvation. It is the cross - the shed blood of Christ that takes care of things we are completely inept at carrying out ourselves, and it is NOT ever up to us how God chooses to do that. No EGW needed. Unless you have specific references to prove what you are saying, sorry, I dont buy any of it. It seems like you are just on this forum to attack SDA beliefs. I dont buy any of it. It gets tiring reading all of the attack-mode dogma.

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Eph 3:14  For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 3:15  Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
Eph 3:16  That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
Eph 3:17  That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Eph 3:18  May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Eph 3:19  And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

This "fulness" of God is recognized by babies and any others we can't figure out how God does it, byt the actions of those who are capable of knowing doctrine. Being present with them, in  the spirit of love and acceptance is all the "light they need; and NO ONE has to have the "amount" of light that we say or think they should in order to be saved. As long as a person, any person, is alive there IS hope for them in Christ: "Ecc 9:4  For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion. "  A lot of scripture has to be bruited into midnight hour gibberish in order to make it say that God cant save a child of parents who supposedly are "wicked."

[phkrause]

1 hour ago, 8thdaypriest said:

SDAs have no explanation of what God our Father will do with His beloved little children, who happen to have wicked parents - except to quote EW. 

And what's wrong with quoting her?? It's not any different than quoting others!!

[stinsonmarri]

8 hours ago, JoeMo said:

Sorry, I don't agree.  Taking your logic, babies who were aborted by their evil mothers would be thrown into the lake of fire; and deceased newborn babies whose evil mothers also died in childbirth would suffer the same fate. I can't accept that.

Besides, I don't believe Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexuality.  I believe they were destroyed because they were the hybrid offspring of fallen angels and human women. I believe Lot's wife and children could have been Nephillim. Not trying to start another debate about "sons of God"; just stating my belief; based on Jesus' comparison of the days of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah. You can believe what you choose. 

Joe: Your belief, I am sorry are not Biblical and I will stand on the Bible. Sodom were Canaanite people of African descent and Lot lived in that city and married a Black Sodomite Woman, who turned to a pillar of salt. Abraham asked YAHSHUA who came in HIS FATHER'S NAME, if there would be from 50 righteous to just 10. Here is what YAHWEH said:

 And YAHWEH Said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do; Gen 18:17

That Scripture is very clear that NOTHING was kept back from Abraham. If these were these things you keep presenting it would have been stated and it was NOT!

Sodom were not all homosexual because Lot had children there also:

 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before THE FACE of YAHWEH; and YAHWEH hath sent us to destroy it.   And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for YAHWEH will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law. Gen 19:12-14

If they were these so call super beings they would have left knowing that the Eternal Fire was going to come down on them and annihilate them completely forever! Plus the Bible said it more then just homosexuality:

 And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.   Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. Luke 17:26-33

 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 1:7

These people were overeaters, divorcing and marrying others a lot of time, fornicators, and some were homosexual. Here are some other Scriptures:

But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before YAHWEH exceedingly. Gen 13:13

 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live wickedly; 2Pe 2:6

Joe; I truly do not know what is happening to you! You have become obsessed to try and make something true that is not! The Bible clearly called them actually male beings and they were captured. How could they if they were super beings as you claim? They did not need to get in ark. They could fly and build ships themselves or they could flew away! Why stay on the earth with their powers! What normal flesh being could stop these beings before or after the flood and why no where in the Bible does YAHWEH state in various occasion about angels and flesh being having sex with so great powers to take over the world! NO WHERE! To me this has become a cancer to you and I dread that it is taking you to place you just do not want to be. When you begin to take things that are not Biblical and turned them into a belief then you truly need to ask yourself should I take the Bible or people who distort the truth!

Angels are spirit beings, we are flesh beings both made totally different. Angels were made to administer unto YAHWEH and to do HIS bidding. They were not made to have sexual intercourse nor did they have the organs to reproduce. They cannot be what they were not made for. The Bible specially made flesh beings with organs to reproduce and that is what it means male and female in the English language! Male and female were created to have feelings for each other. They were made tall both Adams and ALL OF THE ANTEDILUVIAN PEOPLE WERE TALL! 

Even the animals coming also from the ground were made to reproduce male with female after his kind. Sin brought on unnatural affections of all kind! They at one time were bigger then they are today. Eating flesh has cause both people and animals to reduce in size.

Goliath or the people of Anat could not compared in height to the Adams or the antediluvian world. They lived longer, used 100% of their brains. They were not jungle bunnies and created things you nor I could ever imagine! They had more babies and populated the world with more people back then we have today. There was more land and the Bible stated the seas was gather together into one place. Gen 1:10 They had all type of precious stones and gold laying at their feet like grass. They could build anything they wanted and they did. They had gardens that make the hanging gardens look less then kindergarten work! What you fail to realize they were superhumans because of the Adams eating from the Tree of LIFE! They didn't need to mate with angels! However, they were flesh made from dirt and could die by drowning that is why YAHWEH had Noah to build an ark. Flesh beings could be killed because we need oxygen to lived, angels don't! You have no idea how tall and intelligent they were being created in THE IMAGE OF THE MOST HIGH, THE SON and THE HOLY SPIRIT.

Angels could not touch THEM, they were made a little lower in power then the angel. They had to be tested first and they fail! 

It is like you are believing in fake comic book stories of super heroes, that Satan distorted. Why to make one believe that angels can breed with THE IMAGE of THE MOST HIGH! This is nonsense and you have not shown it anywhere in the Bible but that one word that you refuse to believe what it actually means. It means tyrant, and bullies that is it! You belief has no merit in the Bible because YAHWEH speaks about Satan, fallen angels, but never stated angels throughout having relationship with flesh beings, NEVER nor have YAHSHUA! Satan used men to com up with that nonsense! I pray earnestly for you my brother! If you become irate, stop and think why?

 My prayers are with you!

[BlessedMan]

4 minutes ago, phkrause said:

And what's wrong with quoting her?? It's not any different than quoting others!!

while its OK to disagree; its not OK to stigmatize with an air of superiority as if we all need to taught "the real truth." Whatever happenned to a good old discussion?

[stinsonmarri]

2 hours ago, BlessedMan said:

Im sorry but this is just simply not true, at all. This has no basis in fact. Its more than likely the case that some do have an answer, and it is not well-liked. This is NOT an official Adventist teaching by any stretch.

Of course, this statement is made without any references or solid proof. The Bible is clear on this subject; and to be frank, its none of our business how God does things and "saves" people. Regardless of the age. He is able to save "to the uttermost," (Heb 7:25), and "His ways are past finding out." (Rom 11:33).

It is a matter of trusting God to do what we see no way of doing. There doesnt need to be a list, from a to b for everything when it comes to salvation. It is the cross - the shed blood of Christ that takes care of things we are completely inept at carrying out ourselves, and it is NOT ever up to us how God chooses to do that. No EGW needed. Unless you have specific references to prove what you are saying, sorry, I dont buy any of it. It seems like you are just on this forum to attack SDA beliefs. I dont buy any of it. It gets tiring reading all of the attack-mode dogma.

This "fulness" of God is recognized by babies and any others we can't figure out how God does it, byt the actions of those who are capable of knowing doctrine. Being present with them, in  the spirit of love and acceptance is all the "light they need; and NO ONE has to have the "amount" of light that we say or think they should in order to be saved. As long as a person, any person, is alive there IS hope for them in Christ: "Ecc 9:4  For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion. "  A lot of scripture has to be bruited into midnight hour gibberish in order to make it say that God cant save a child of parents who supposedly are "wicked."

Even though I agree with you. Rachel is here for a reason and kindness goes a long way. When people say negative things we should speak out about what they have said, but not about them personally. This is not what the Bible says also to love those who say negative things about you. If you have proof, prove it and let YAHWEH do the rest. Kindness shows who you are inside. You know what is truth live it by the words you say to others. Stand firm for truth but not in anger or to put down anyone. We all have sin and come short! Anyone without sin cast the first stone. Let us do as the Bible says, prove all things and hold fast to those things that are true! Have righteous indignation by standing and giving the Bible Passages as a point of references, which have done! Thank You!

Blessings!

[stinsonmarri]

2 hours ago, 8thdaypriest said:

SDAs have no explanation of what God our Father will do with His beloved little children, who happen to have wicked parents - except to quote EW. 

Mrs White seemed to describe it both ways.  She was describing the resurrection of a little one, and wrote "we listen in vain for the rapturous cry of the mother".   Would that not imply the mother was missing because she was lost, and the "little one" was still made immortal?

Rachel: It is sad that you continue to harp on someone who cannot speak for herself. If you had read all of EGW as you claim, you would know that she said to take the Bible first! If you feel that anyone is wrong, please stop putting down SDA or any other denomination. None save anyone, only YAHSHUA saves! YAHSHUA never named any church, but called HIS remnant IsraEL. You will not see Baptist, Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist,  SDA or any church named in the Bible. NONE! If you feel something is not correct, just prove it by the Bible and stop condemning a deceased woman!

I do not agree with everything EGW wrote, but as I have told you I accept her visions. Why? You will find them in the Bible. She has also said that she is fallible many times, so please let it go and prove you points with the Bible. What you are doing is causing conflict over someone that others feel a certain way about. You feel a certain way about someone who is alive that I feel is wrong. Look how you act when that is done! This man does unjust things, EGW lived up to all that she knew! We all know you disagree with her and SDA. We get it! But we are not here to mistreat each other. We are here to prove the truth according to the Bible.

I do not agree with you views on babies because you cannot read anyones minds including babies. I have seen some very mean and awful babies. I had a daycare and I worked with children. I know one thing we need to listen to the stories in the Bible. David lost his baby because of his sin. How do you know what he would have been if he had grew up? You don't! YAHWEH knew even if he would have turned out for good. It was the result of sin and the baby died! 

We don't know about all the children that was killed by Herod and when their mother ate them before Jerusalem was destroyed. We know in Ezekiel, angels were told to slay both mothers and children spare not any. Look at all the children that died in the flood, flood aftward, hurricanes, and yes in abortions. People judge women who have been raped by their family members or others should they keep the baby. That is not for anyone to say, we are not judges, YAHWEH IS! We do not know all of the circumstances and if they did wrong YAHWEH will take care of it. THERE IS NOT ONE SCRIPTURE IN THE BIBLE  THAT TELLS ANYONE TODAY OR AT ANYTIME TO KILL, BOMB, DESTROY OVER ABORTION! IF SO PROVE IT!

Sometimes we all go to far instead of letting YAHWEH handle it because we don't know! Get our own lives right because salvation is an individual things. You can present the truth, you cannot force it. THE ALMIGHTY ONES will take care of all sinners not us! I pray for you and still love you with all my heart!

With Love!

[JoeMo]

15 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

Joe; I truly do not know what is happening to you! You have become obsessed to try and make something true that is not!

Maybe you are obsessed with denying something that IS true.  Do you think I thought this up by myself?  There are many commentators and theologians (including some SDA's) that agree with my theory.  And if you would read Genesis 6 literally instead of inserting all sorts of symbolism, you would see that it makes perfect sense.

 Swallowing the Sethite theory leads to the logical conclusion that God committed genocide when He ordered the Israelites to utterly destroy these people and all they owned or built to the point that there is no historical or anthropological record of their existence outside of scripture.  These "cruel" and "arbitrary" acts of God are the  reason many people reject God as cruel and arbitrary.  Truth is, He destroyed these people because they weren't His creation.  They were hybrid mutants fathered by fallen angels.

Following your claim that Canaanites were black (which I don't accept), most of the people God destroyed were probably black. Does that make God a racist?

[JoeMo]

15 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

Joe: Your belief, I am sorry are not Biblical

Are you judging me (again)? Read the first verses of Genesis 6 and tell me where I'm not being Biblical?  Maybe you're not being Biblical by believing that two humans could produce a race of giants.

[stinsonmarri]

1 hour ago, JoeMo said:

Maybe you are obsessed with denying something that IS true.  Do you think I thought this up by myself?  There are many commentators and theologians (including some SDA's) that agree with my theory.  And if you would read Genesis 6 literally instead of inserting all sorts of symbolism, you would see that it makes perfect sense.

 Swallowing the Sethite theory leads to the logical conclusion that God committed genocide when He ordered the Israelites to utterly destroy these people and all they owned or built to the point that there is no historical or anthropological record of their existence outside of scripture.  These "cruel" and "arbitrary" acts of God are the  reason many people reject God as cruel and arbitrary.  Truth is, He destroyed these people because they weren't His creation.  They were hybrid mutants fathered by fallen angels.

Following your claim that Canaanites were black (which I don't accept), most of the people God destroyed were probably black. Does that make God a racist?

Why have you become so angry? Where are the Bible Scriptures? The Canaanite were Black according to the Bible and here is the proof:

 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan. Gen 10:6

All of this venting is surprising to me! I have never seen you like this Joe!

1 hour ago, JoeMo said:

Are you judging me (again)? Read the first verses of Genesis 6 and tell me where I'm not being Biblical?  Maybe you're not being Biblical by believing that two humans could produce a race of giants.

I have never judge you or anybody and you know that Joe! What I see is a person that has changed. I see a person who is full of rage and angry and now claim that the Canaanites are not Black and the Bible clearly states they came from Ham. Where in the Bible that most the people YAHWEH destroyed were Black! Were the Chaldeans Black, was king of Magog Black, was Cain black? I could go on and on! What I am witnessing is a man who has turn from what I knew about him on this forum. What has happen to my friend, where has he gone, what has made him change? This is not about judging you or me, this is about questioning our CREATOR. This about proving all things according to the Bible and not yours or mine belief or ideas. This is about standing up for justice, love, truth, loyalty and most of all kindness! I have said and will continue to state as a fact, hear me clearly. The Adams were created tall flesh beings from the beginning. All of the antediluvian world were tall! They were giants and seven ft plus today was nothing to them even Goliath and the Anat of Canaan.

The Adams ate from the Tree of LIFE and their longevity and also the antediluvians were close to a thousand years and they used 100 % of it being continually evil! YAHWEH destroyed those giant beings and eight of them lived after the flood, but they begin to eat flesh that YAHWEH had put fear in! This caused people to shrink in size and intellect still over sometime. By the way Nimrod was a Black man too that had everyone follow him and he to was tall, a tyrant and a bully!  I am not running away from what I have said, it is true you have become obsessed with this and to me you have changed. You might not like what I am saying but I saying I want my friend back!!!!!!!!! I want the one who want to know truth and to search for truth in the Bible and not fables! I hope and pray that you remain my friend and be like you used to be and not like you are now! That's my prayer and please pray for me, I truly need it.

Feeling Sad with A Deep Heart!?

[8thdaypriest]

21 hours ago, phkrause said:

It's not any different than quoting others!!

As long as we can agree that "it's not any different".  Her statements are no different from yours, or Joes, or mine. 

[JoeMo]

7 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

Feeling Sad with A Deep Heart!?

I'm sorry if I upset you.  Not my intent. I DO feel judged by you (not that it's your intent). You are just as passionate about showing me how WRONG I am about many things I post and follow paths that I find difficult to follow. Sometimes it is frustrating.

I will once again try to quit posting on Genesis 6.  I can have a rational and objective discussion about it elsewhere.

[B/W Photodude]

4 hours ago, 8thdaypriest said:

As long as we can agree that "it's not any different".  Her statements are no different from yours, or Joes, or mine. 

Don't hold your breath, because I will not agree to any such thing. I know many are trying in every way possible to tear down the ministry of Sister White as given to her by God, but I will not cooperate in any such venture. When she, as she describes herself as a messenger, gives messages sent to God's last day people, they are not the same as yours, Joe's, or mine. Not on a level as the Bible, but certainly more worth listening to than anyone on this forum. One thing to bring in new ideas, even ones that contradict the SDA church, but another to tear down a "messenger."

[B/W Photodude]

8 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

I see a person who is full of rage and angry and now claim that the Canaanites are not Black and the Bible clearly states they came from Ham.

It is a bit of a stretch to claim that all the descendants of Ham were black.

[B/W Photodude]

10 hours ago, JoeMo said:

Are you judging me (again)? Read the first verses of Genesis 6 and tell me where I'm not being Biblical?  Maybe you're not being Biblical by believing that two humans could produce a race of giants.

Perhaps humans were created as a race of giants to begin with! Sister White states Adam was somewhere in the area of fifteen feet tall with Eve coming to his shoulder. So, to the anti-deluvians, we are more like pygmies that the pygmies we have with us today.

To be clear, I am certain I read this, but am unable to find the exact quote. I will look for it. It may fall into that class of things we all believe EGW said, but didn't!

However, in other traditions such as some Orthodox Jews believe Adam to have been fifteen feet tall. However, they also believe Adam to have been married to "Lilleth" before Eve. (Some Jewish traditions (outside of the Torah) talk about Adam being extremely tall ... ) So, it is not an uncommon belief that Adam thru Noah were extremely tall people. So, the question is, is it harder to be fifteen feet tall or live for 1000 years, give or take a few decades? And perhaps this is why the Bible says we will "grow up like calves in a stall" in the new earth. (Malachi 4:2)

[JoeMo]

12 hours ago, B/W Photodude said:

However, in other traditions such as some Orthodox Jews believe Adam to have been fifteen feet tall. However, they also believe Adam to have been married to "Lilleth" before Eve.

I have read this as well; except I read that this is a tradition past down from Freemasons. They say Lilleth was evil and rebellious, so God had to dismiss her and make a new with (Eve) for Adam.  I totally discount this, because these same people claim that Jesus never died on the cross, but that Jesus and Mary Magdalene got married and moved to France where they started the European royal families.  BUNK!

The historian Josephus talks about 13 - 15 foot tall skeletons being in display in Jerusalem until about the 3rd century BC.  Other very tall skeletons have been discovered all over the world; but the mysteriously "disappear" after museums or governments take them over. The first Book of Enoch which was very popular with Second Temple Jews at the time of Christ deals almost exclusively with the fallen angel/Nephillim problem. Jude quotes from it; and Peter alludes to it.

I have read where EGW claims Adam was very tall. PP page 29 talks about it.  However, I have never seen it in scripture or read another author or commentator that makes this claim.

Again B/W, thank you for sticking to the subject and expanding the discussion rather than demeaning the person with whom you disagree.

[stinsonmarri]

16 hours ago, JoeMo said:

I'm sorry if I upset you.  Not my intent. I DO feel judged by you (not that it's your intent). You are just as passionate about showing me how WRONG I am about many things I post and follow paths that I find difficult to follow. Sometimes it is frustrating.

I will once again try to quit posting on Genesis 6.  I can have a rational and objective discussion about it elsewhere.

Joe: It is not judging to reason with someone who I feel is making a huge mistake. To me that's compassion and concern. The Bible says let us reason together. What I am trying to provide you with is the facts. Then you said that the Canaanites were not Black and to quote you, "most of the people God destroyed were probably black." Now, where did that come from? That too me was totally prejudice and unkind. Now, all of sudden there is a question about Canaan being Black? There is no question that Japheth produce all the White people like Greece, Persia (known today as Iran or the Aryan people who migrated into Northern India), Rome (known today as Italy), Gomer; Japheth son (the Aryan branch that produce Switzerland, the Dutch, the Saxon, the Franks,  and the Ashkenazi are all the Germans: all who clearly states they are Indo which means Aryans plus European which mean conquering and uniting their kinfolks or cousins the Britons, Irishs, and Scots) United the Europe land and the surrounding Islands. Russian and Turkey all are White and belong to Japheth. Not once have I ever heard anyone not declare that these belong to the old known word as Caucasians!

Now, Canaan is not Black well here is the meaning of the word for his father, Ham:

Ham: Meaning warm, hot, and hence the south; also an Egyptian word meaning "black." Easton Bible Dictionary

Ham: Burnt, swarthy, black. . .Ham was the father of Cush, Mizraim, Phut, and Canaan, that is, the ancestor of the Canaanites, Southern Arabians, Ethiopians, Egyptians, and the Africans in general, Genesis 10:6-20. ATS Bible Dictionary

Ham as a Nationality: As Shem means "dusky," or the like, and Japheth "fair," it has been supposed that Ham meant, as is not improbable, "black." This is supported by the evidence of Hebrew and Arabic, in which the word chamam means "to be hot" and "to be black," the latter signification being derived from the former. International Standard Bible Encyclopedia

Ham’s name means “swarthy” or “brown,” and it also carries the suggestion of “hot.” In The Popular and Critical Bible Encyclopædia, Volume II, page 754

The word Black is a cultural meaning just like White. White people comes in different colors. When I was younger, I was a high yellow, my brothers are Ebony/Black, Red, and paper Brown. My mother's sister was red with bronze not blonde hair. People of all three sons of Noah comes in various shades of color!

What I am try to provide with reason to you the original height of the Adam's. I believe in EGW visions and have express the reason and she stated:

As Adam came forth from the hand of his CREATOR, he was of noble height, and of beautiful symmetry. He was more than twice as tall as men now living upon the earth, and was well proportioned.... Eve was not quite as tall as Adam. Her head reached a little above his shoulders. She, too, was noble—perfect in symmetry, and very beautiful.Vol 1 The Spirit of Prophecy p. 25 

I would say Adam stood between 18-20 ft tall! Ms. Adam was about 14-16 ft tall. They were highly intelligent using 100% of their brains and living almost a thousand years. My reason of truth is look at the Redwood trees see how huge and tall they are? This shows that all beings were of enormous height, strength and wisdom. However, they used their intellect for evil! The tall people of Anat never was the height and strength of the antediluvian world, never! Yes, of their height they were tyrants and bullies like them and that fact is true! These people came from Ham the father that produce all the Afro Asiatic People which also includes the entire Caribbean Islands and the mainland American Indians north and south.

That's my reasoning and that's my concern as well. You are my friend and i value as a person and as a child of THE MOST HIGH!

Blessings!

[BlessedMan]

18 hours ago, B/W Photodude said:

To be clear, I am certain I read this, but am unable to find the exact quote. I will look for it. It may fall into that class of things we all believe EGW said, but didn't!

He [Adam] was more than twice as tall as men now living upon the earth, and was well proportioned. His features were perfect and beautiful. . . . Eve was not quite as tall as Adam. Her head reached a little above his shoulders. She, too, was noble, perfect in symmetry, and very beautiful.  {CC 11.5}

[stinsonmarri]

18 hours ago, B/W Photodude said:

It is a bit of a stretch to claim that all the descendants of Ham were black.

Well the reason why you want to make that assumption is the old prejudice concept. The Amorites that helped Abraham, oh they must be White folks or Melchizedek who was the King and Priest of THE MOST HIGH, nope the Black folks they are not the one who had this man. So lies start to fly:

Apparently according to this History Channel special, a network devoted to as much historical accuracy as possible, everyone in the Bible was white. Everybody In The Bible Was White?

You're skipping "The Curse Of Canaan". What you write are "LIES". Sidon was "WHITE" not black. The Ancient Sidonians were all "White". Canaan had only 2 sons who were Sidon & Heth. Sidon was the father of the first white people and Heth was the father of "The Hittites", the first known "ASIANS".

THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS "BLACK CANAANITES". NO WHERE IN ANCIENT HISTORY AND MOSTLY ALL SCHOLARS KNOW THAT THERE ARE VERY MUCH INFO THAT DO STATE MORE THAN CLEARLY THAT THE CANAANITES WERE "WHITE, INDIAN & ASIAN". The Canaanites Were Not Black People!!!

"We found that the Canaanites were a mixture of local people who settled in farming villages during the Neolithic period and eastern migrants who arrived in the region about 5,000 years ago," said Marc Haber of The Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute in the United Kingdom. "The present-day Lebanese are likely to be direct descendants of the Canaanites, but they have in addition a small proportion of Eurasian ancestry that may have arrived via conquests by distant populations such as the Assyrians, Persians, or Macedonians." Who were the Canaanites? Ancient human DNA evidence yields answers

The lie about White supremacy is  in the movies on pictures in the churches includings SDA. Jesus is portrayed as White, God the father look like Zeus and even today on the Hope Channel the call themselves dressing up Esther and the disciples to look like Arabs of today. Arabs of today are mostly White looking and Malcolm X saw that when he visited Mecca. Most knowing the true history of migration and that the Persian and their cousins the Parthians are Aryans that first took over the Elamites, then migrated into South Arabia. South Arabia had to four major types of Nomadic people several tribes from Cush who had the land known today as the Country call South Arabia, and Yemen going South East to the Persian Gulf. Shem had several tribes who live northeast going toward Jordan. Abraham's children from the Canaanite woman, Keturah lived in the Mountain areas of Arabia and Ishmael's sons lived in the valley call the Wilderness of Sin stretching from Egypt to north part of the Jordan River.

IsraEL were various color of brown skin people who married all throughout the Bible with Ham's children. That is why YAHSHUA could easy live in Egypt. The Assyrians mixed the Kingdom of Israel with various different people, then the destruction of Jerusalem the Kingdom of Judah was never the same. Many Israelites never came back to Jerusalem and begin to intermarry with the Persians, Greeks, Rome, Carthage, Afrika and later Europe. The Phoenicians were seafaring travelers and colonize Sicily who are known to be darker then the mainland Italians and they have the disease called sickle cell anemia. These is known to me a disease only among people of Afrikan descent!

I have taken my DNA twice and I am mainly from various Afrikan countries and Chinese, Indian American and 5% of English, Irish and Viking. My point today the DNA goes back to the Roman times where people were intermixed. But the Bible gives their specific nationality of the time and where they lived! So all this other nonsense is not true! We are all people of color and should respect each other's color and culture. However, it is sad that anyone would want to make their color dominant over another! We all came from Noah who came from the Adam! If we are going to be save in YAHSHUA'S Kingdom we will come from all nation, kindred and also color. We will love each other as the same. So please stop saying who the Canaanites were not because the Bible said they were Black, because came from Ham!

Peace!

[phkrause]

On 12/19/2019 at 8:06 PM, BlessedMan said:

while its OK to disagree; its not OK to stigmatize with an air of superiority as if we all need to taught "the real truth." Whatever happenned to a good old discussion?

Not sure what your saying?? No one has any superiority and the only "real truth" is Jesus!! He told us so in the Bible did he not?? And it seems we are having a discussion or is that not to your liking?? Anyway a very strange post!!

[phkrause]

On 12/20/2019 at 5:40 PM, 8thdaypriest said:

As long as we can agree that "it's not any different".  Her statements are no different from yours, or Joes, or mine. 

Sorry but my statements are not even in the same class as hers, yours and Joes might be but not mine!!

[BlessedMan]

44 minutes ago, phkrause said:

Not sure what your saying?? No one has any superiority and the only "real truth" is Jesus!! He told us so in the Bible did he not?? And it seems we are having a discussion or is that not to your liking?? Anyway a very strange post!!

I am sure the person it was talking about is well-aware. Not that it matters either. I think your response is just beating a dead horse.

[JoeMo]

On 12/21/2019 at 2:29 PM, stinsonmarri said:

you said that the Canaanites were not Black and to quote you, "most of the people God destroyed were probably black." 

You have misquoted me by leaving out a major portion of that quote.  I post it once again below.

On 12/20/2019 at 9:33 AM, JoeMo said:

Following your claim that Canaanites were black (which I don't accept), most of the people God destroyed were probably black.

 

On 12/21/2019 at 2:29 PM, stinsonmarri said:

That too me was totally prejudice and unkind.

How does that make me prejudiced?  You are the one who claims all (or most) Canaanites were black.

[BlessedMan]

sometimes charges of "racism" can themselves be racist.  While one finger is pointing at the "racist" two other fingers are pointing back at the "racism."