Two Second Comings?

[stinsonmarri]

18 hours ago, JoeMo said:

Thank you! I did not know that. From the encyclopedia Britannica:

"Elohim, singular Eloah, (Hebrew: God), the God of Israel in the Old Testament. A plural of majesty, the term Elohim—though sometimes used for other deities, such as the Moabite god Chemosh, the Sidonian goddess Astarte, and also for other majestic beings such as angels, kings, judges (the Old Testament shofeṭim), and the Messiah—is usually employed in the Old Testament for the one and only God of Israel, whose personal name was revealed to Moses as YHWH, or Yahweh (q.v.). When referring to Yahweh, elohim very often is accompanied by the article ha-, to mean, in combination, “the God,” and sometimes with a further identification Elohim ḥayyim, meaning “the living God.”

Once again, we use scholars who thinks they know more then, then THE FATHER, THE SON and THE HOLY SPIRIT! It is fascinating to me that the Bible continues to express throughout the Bible until the very end the importance and HOLY are THEIR NAMES and TITLE. We cannot do anything without our names. Unfortunately, Afrikan Americans have taken on the subtitle of the slave masters who was force on their ancestor. Names and titles are extremely important to us, yet we think it makes no different to THE ALMIGHTIES.

When Jacob received his victory wrestling with YAHSHUA, he was given the name IsraEL in it stood the singular title of THE FATHER. YAHSHUA made it very clear when HE stated these words:

 I am come in MY FATHER'S NAME, and ye receive ME not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. John 5:43

Ancient time the name of their Deity was in their name. I have yet to see any one use EL, ELOAH or ELOHIM in pagans people names. Only used by those who served THE MOST HIGH!

Again and again we take man's knowledge over THE ALMIGHTIES who Created all of us! We all can think that this is not important, and many will see to late that it is. Even we fight hard to reserve our names as our legacy and think that THE FATHER doesn't?  Well, all I have to say it will be so sad that all you have stood for will be nothing because we all truly do not understand the magnitude of who we dealing with. It is YAHWEH'S WORD over Bible scholars you choose!

Blessings!

[BlessedMan]

47 minutes ago, stinsonmarri said:

Once again, we use scholars who thinks they know more then, then THE FATHER, THE SON and THE HOLY SPIRIT! It is fascinating to me that the Bible continues to express throughout the Bible until the very end the importance and HOLY are THEIR NAMES and TITLE. We cannot do anything without our names

you are quite right about this. I am reminded of the name changes imposed on Daniel and his 3 associates and what that was intended to mean.

[stinsonmarri]

5 minutes ago, JoeMo said:

Actually, it is the Catholic Church (St. Augustine) who came up with the Sethite view.

" St. Augustine, John Chrysostom, and John Calvin, take the view of Genesis 6:2 that the "Angels" who fathered the Nephilim referred to certain human males from the lineage of Seth, who were called sons of God" (Wikipedia article on Nephillim).

Joe: I never gave you that view at all! I gave you the Bible, clear and simple. And you yourself help showing that Adam was first call the son of THE MOST HIGH and then all of those who were faithful. I don't need John Chrysostom, John Calvin or anyone, read it from the Bible. It said this:

And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For ELOHIYM, said she, hath appointed ME another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon THE NAME of YAHWEH. Gen 4:25, 26  

I understand that Cain children were the daughter of men and Seth children continued under the Adams, were the son of ELOHIYM. That is what I read and not from anyone else! Thanks for your help as well!

Blessings!

[8thdaypriest]

On 12/10/2019 at 11:12 AM, JoeMo said:

There is very little information in the Bible about what the Millennium will look like or what the post-millennial world will look like.

Revelation 21:1 "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had ceased to exist, and the sea existed no more." (NET)

At what point does "the sea" cease to exist?  That's one of my questions.

I don't think - in context - that "the sea" means all the mass of human beings.    That would mean no mass of human beings could exist after the earth is made new.  I think "the sea" is all the great expanse of waters that "the land" was caused to arise out of during creation week.   I don't think we can conceive of this planet without that great body.

I've wondered whether the LORD will actually create a new planet (or place) for His redeemed, OR heal/restore this planet. 

 

 

[stinsonmarri]

47 minutes ago, BlessedMan said:

you are quite right about this. I am reminded of the name changes imposed on Daniel and his 3 associates and what that was intended to mean.

We keep thinking this  is not important and Ex 23:13 states not to us HIS NAME for other deities. I know the KJV and Strong uses god but most don't know that the Hebrew word "ah'-yil," actual stands for mighty ones and not EL!  Flesh beings over the centuries has attempted to changed THE NAME and THE TITLE of THE MOST HIGH! The Bible states that Moses was given HIS correct NAME. But, the KJV just like the Pharisees changed HIS NAME! Now, Satan has put in all of this varies version to again cause confusion. Finally the letter J was created in the Middle Ages. It is a choice like everything else is!

Blessings.

[8thdaypriest]

On 12/6/2019 at 1:59 PM, BlessedMan said:

Thank you for the reply Rachel. Now I am wondering, if I may ask, where is this 7th taken from? IOW, what, in scripture tells us this is a 7th millenium?" (I am just trying to clarify the main points being made here for now. I appreciate very much the replies.

[Peter]  "With the LORD a thousand years is as a day, and a day as a thousand years."

[Symbolic prophecy]  7th day - rest (for man and beasts),  7th year - rest for land,   (7th millennium - rest) 

God will have 1/7th of earth's "time" - whether by man's voluntary submission or by judgment. 

[The LORD to Jeremiah]  Desolation IS "rest".

The 70 years of captivity were "rest" for "the land", after 420 years of apostasy and broken covenant during which the LORD's "sabbaths" were neglected by the Southern Kingdom of Judea.   There would be a "sabbath" of 70 years.   420 years + 70 years = 490 total years. 

Since the LORD declared the 7th Day "holy" at creation, 6000 years have passed during which mankind has not recognized the "holiness" of His day.  His "Sabbath" has not been acknowledged or celebrated, and mankind has not "rested" (except pockets of isolated believers).  Mainline churches today (the world over) relegate "the sabbath" to OT and something for Jews.   Schools teach evolution which denies the existence of a Creator entirely.  Our culture makes "sabbath keeping" very difficult. 

 

[8thdaypriest]

On 12/8/2019 at 6:11 AM, B/W Photodude said:

Actually John writes the devil shall be loosed a little while, not a millennium.

"With the LORD a thousand years is as a day."   A "day" would be a "little while". 

[BlessedMan]

48 minutes ago, 8thdaypriest said:

"With the LORD a thousand years is as a day."   A "day" would be a "little while". 

I dont have time to say much detail right now, but I wonder IF this applies all of the time? Are all days "as a thousand years," or is there another picture we could look at. Certainly, in context, this would not be the case in much of the "prophecy" we are seeing these days. IOW, when it comes to the involvement of "time" in Bible prophecy; it is very often NOT about numbers. (more later)

[8thdaypriest]

On 12/10/2019 at 11:18 AM, BlessedMan said:

But getting back to verse 25:  some people DO DECIDE not in favor of Christ, and elect themselves out of salvation: "And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee. "  (Acts 24:25). Felix "almost" became a Christian, and thats the kind of person where Jesus said in Rev 22:11 "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

When Jesus NEXT returns; He has His "reward" with Him at that time. Nothing in scripture to suggest He holds some of that back for a THIRD Coming. He won't force anyone; and He alone knows who He has to pronounce that sentence upon.

Rachel; I appreciate very much your zeal for lifting Jesus up; we will likely always disagree on some things which is fine. If I ever saw you stuck on the side of the road; you can bet that Id be stopping to change that flat tire for you. Thanks for your patience in dealing with us all here.

Thank you BlessedMan.

1.  Jesus came as a human being.

2.  Jesus returns in glory.  [First resurrection]  Those "in Christ" are resurrected to eternal life, and multitudes are "raised to shame and everlasting condemnation".  (Daniel 12:2-3).  Beast and False Prophet (whole systems of people used by Satan) are thrown into the Lake of Fire.  "The rest" remain dead for 1000 years (including all young children). 

3.  Jesus - with His saints will "return" to the earth AFTER the 1000 years of the 7th millennium.  (Even Mrs White agrees with this scenario.)  Because Jesus returns to the earth WITH His redeemed, doesn't make it not a return.  Of course it's a return. 

"The rest" are resurrected.  [Second resurrection].

I wrestled with this for some years, always questioning and asking the Lord for more "proof".  I was NOT taught this by anyone else.

[NOTE:  Following the Feast of Tabernacles there is another Feast - the Feast of the 8th Day.   I did not discover this until about 2011-12.  It was an eye-opener.]

One of the important things I noticed during my OT reading, is how people of "the nations" (also called "strangers" or "Gentiles" or "aliens") were described as living right along with Israelites in the land after it is restored, after Israel has been "returned", and while Messiah is reigning. 

Most write that off as describing the land after the "return" from Babylon.  But there were some passages that I just could not write off with that explanation. 

Isaiah 35:1-10  Notice the context. The healing and return of the “ransomed”(v. 10) follows the general destruction of the earth and the nations.  THEN “strangers” will be joined with them.  
                      Additional references:  Isaiah 14:1-2; Isaiah 27:6; Isaiah 27:12-13;
                           Isaiah 31:35;  Isaiah 37:31-32;  Isaiah 43:1-7;  Isaiah 49:20-22;
                                                       Isaiah 54:1-10; Isaiah 56:1-8

Isaiah 14:1  “For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will still choose Israel, and settle them in their own land.  The strangers will be joined with them, and they will cling to the house of Jacob.” 

Folks told me this was just describing the Gentiles "joined with" believing Hebrews. 

    Jeremiah Chapter 33:7-18  “And I will cause the captives of Judah and the captives of Israel to return, and will rebuild those places as at the first.”  They will be “a name of joy, a praise, and an honor before all nations of the earth, who shall hear all the good that I do to them; they shall fear and tremble.” A descendant of David will reign, and “execute judgment and righteousness in the earth.”  

        NOTE:  The picture presented of Israel and Judah, together again, their dead resurrected, healed and restored, a Son of David reigning over "the earth",  while “all the nations of the earth” witness this and “tremble” tells me this scene takes place after the last great resurrection (the resurrection of  “the nations”)  which takes place 1000 years after the Second Coming (Rev. 20:5).

    Ezekiel 36:33-36  “. . . On the day that I cleanse you from all your iniquities I will also enable you to dwell in the cities and the ruins shall be rebuilt” (v.33).  “Then the nations which are left all around you shall know that I, the LORD, have rebuilt the ruined places and planted what was desolate” (v.36).

Ezekiel 28:25-26  “When I have gathered the house of Israel from the peoples among whom they are scattered, and am hallowed in them in the site of the Gentiles, then they will dwell in their own land which I gave to My servant Jacob.”

Ezekiel 37:15-27  The LORD will gather the children of Israel.  Judah and Israel will be joined into one kingdom - never to be separated again, with one King - from the line of David (v.24). The Lord will then make an everlasting covenant of peace with those He has gathered (v.26).  “My Tabernacle also shall be with them; . . . The nations also will know that I, the LORD, sanctify Israel, WHEN My sanctuary is in their midst forevermore.”

    Isaiah 2:1-4 “And it shall come to pass in the latter days, that the mountain of Jehovah's house shall be established on the top of the mountains [above all kingdoms], and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many peoples shall go and say, ‘Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths:’ for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of Jehovah from Jerusalem.

Isaiah 61:4-9  “And they [the returned] shall rebuild the old ruins, They shall raise up the former desolations, And they shall repair the ruined cities, The desolations of many generations. Strangers [non-Israelites] shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the foreigner shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers. (See Isa. 14:1-2.) But you shall be named the priests of the LORD.
        They shall call you the servants of our God. You shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, And in their glory you shall boast.  Instead of your shame you shall have double honor, [the inheritance of the firstborn] And instead of confusion they shall rejoice in their portion. Therefore in their land they shall possess double; Everlasting joy shall be theirs.  For I, the LORD, love justice; I hate robbery for burnt offering; I will direct their work in truth, And will make with them an everlasting covenant [The New Covenant].  
        Their descendants shall be known among the Gentiles, [the nations] And their offspring among the peoples.  All who see them shall acknowledge them, That they are the posterity whom the LORD has blessed.”

        NOTE: These CANNOT be Levite priests, because the Levites were to have “no inheritance in the land” much less a “double” portion.

 

There are more - lots more. 

When Israel came out of Egypt, there was a "mixed multitude".  When Israel returned after the Babylonian captivity - a mixed multitude came with them to the land of Judea.  In the passages I found, a "mixed multitude" will also live in the land restored when Messiah reigns. 

My belief is not far fetched or "out there".  It is the result of study for many years.  Because EGW did not "see" this, does not mean it will not be.  Could be - it was just not "time" to "see" it. 

 

 

 

 

[JoeMo]

4 hours ago, 8thdaypriest said:

Revelation 21:1 "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had ceased to exist, and the sea existed no more." (NET) ... I've wondered whether the LORD will actually create a new planet (or place) for His redeemed, OR heal/restore this planet. 

The Lord created a new heaven and a new earth.  That's all we know.  Does "no sea" mean no surface water at all, or just no Dead Sea and Mediterranean Sea? That's what I mean when I say we don't know much.

[JoeMo]

2 hours ago, 8thdaypriest said:

My belief is not far fetched or "out there".  It is the result of study for many years.  Because EGW did not "see" this, does not mean it will not be.  Could be - it was just not "time" to "see" it. 

I don't think your belief is far fetched or out there.  I agree with everything you posted except for one little thing - most of the prophecies you quoted could pertain to Jesus' Millennial reign if that Millennial  reign is on earth.

[stinsonmarri]

On 12/11/2019 at 3:29 PM, 8thdaypriest said:

1.  Jesus came as a human being.

2.  Jesus returns in glory.  [First resurrection]  Those "in Christ" are resurrected to eternal life, and multitudes are "raised to shame and everlasting condemnation".  (Daniel 12:2-3).  Beast and False Prophet (whole systems of people used by Satan) are thrown into the Lake of Fire.  "The rest" remain dead for 1000 years (including all young children). 

3.  Jesus - with His saints will "return" to the earth AFTER the 1000 years of the 7th millennium.  (Even Mrs White agrees with this scenario.)  Because Jesus returns to the earth WITH His redeemed, doesn't make it not a return.  Of course it's a return. 

First Part 

Rachel: I agree with on everything except for the desolation. The desolation comes due to sin in order for the land who is a living substance also that we should care for. We don't and only because of those who the truth and not take of the earth neither themselves, the earth need time out or rest.

I also agree with some of this:

“1.  Jesus came as a human being.

2.  Jesus returns in glory.  [First resurrection]  Those "in Christ" are resurrected to eternal life, and multitudes are "raised to shame and everlasting condemnation".  (Daniel 12:2-3).  Beast and False Prophet (whole systems of people used by Satan) are thrown into the Lake of Fire.  "The rest" remain dead for 1000 years (including all young children). 

3.  Jesus - with His saints will "return" to the earth AFTER the 1000 years of the 7th millennium.  (Even Mrs White agrees with this scenario.)  Because Jesus returns to the earth WITH His redeemed, doesn't make it not a return.  Of course it's a return.”

Here is how the Bible states it with the correct things you bring:

1.      YAHSHUA did come as a Flesh Being; HIS FATHER is THE ONE who created HIS BODY!

2.      YAHSHUA return on a White Horse also HIS angels.

a.      And HE IS MICHAEL,  THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL THE TRUMP of YAHWEH  redeems HIS people!

For THE MASTER, HIMSELF shall descend from Heaven with a Shout, with THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL, and with THE TRUMP of YAHWEH: and the dead in THE MESSIAH shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet THE MASTER in the air: and so shall we ever be with YAHWEH. 1Th 4:16, 17 

b.      HE is also A WARRIOR and as the Bible states:

HIS EYES were as a Flame of Fire, and on HIS HEAD were Many Crowns; and HE had A NAME written, that no man knew, but HE HIMSELF.  And HE was clothed with a vesture dipped in BLOOD: and HIS NAME is called THE WORD of ELOHIYM. And the armies which were in Heaven followed HIM upon White Horses, clothed in fine linen, White and clean. And out of HIS MOUTH goeth a Sharp Sword, that with it HE should smite the nations: and HE shall rule them with a Rod of Iron: and HE Treadeth the winepress of the FIERCENESS and Wrath of EL SHADDAI. And HE hath on HIS Vesture and on HIS THIGH A NAME written, KING OF KINGS, AND SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS. Rev 19:12-16 

3.      YAHSHUA returns with the New Jerusalem and HIS saints in the New City. YAHSHUA will plant HIS FEET on Mt Olivet and it will become a plain covering up the place where the old Jerusalem/Babylon was finally desolated and totally destroyed! This is the return after the 1000 years of the 8th millennium. This time to give both the righteous and the filthy their just reward.

Blessings!

[stinsonmarri]

On 12/11/2019 at 3:29 PM, 8thdaypriest said:

"The rest" are resurrected.  [Second resurrection].

I wrestled with this for some years, always questioning and asking the Lord for more "proof".  I was NOT taught this by anyone else.

[NOTE:  Following the Feast of Tabernacles there is another Feast - the Feast of the 8th Day.   I did not discover this until about 2011-12.  It was an eye-opener.]

One of the important things I noticed during my OT reading, is how people of "the nations" (also called "strangers" or "Gentiles" or "aliens") were described as living right along with Israelites in the land after it is restored, after Israel has been "returned", and while Messiah is reigning. 

Most write that off as describing the land after the "return" from Babylon.  But there were some passages that I just could not write off with that explanation. 

Isaiah 35:1-10  Notice the context. The healing and return of the “ransomed”(v. 10) follows the general destruction of the earth and the nations.  THEN “strangers” will be joined with them.  
                      Additional references:  Isaiah 14:1-2; Isaiah 27:6; Isaiah 27:12-13;
                           Isaiah 31:35;  Isaiah 37:31-32;  Isaiah 43:1-7;  Isaiah 49:20-22;
                                                       Isaiah 54:1-10; Isaiah 56:1-8

Isaiah 14:1  “For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will still choose Israel, and settle them in their own land.  The strangers will be joined with them, and they will cling to the house of Jacob.” 

Folks told me this was just describing the Gentiles "joined with" believing Hebrews. 

    Jeremiah Chapter 33:7-18  “And I will cause the captives of Judah and the captives of Israel to return, and will rebuild those places as at the first.”  They will be “a name of joy, a praise, and an honor before all nations of the earth, who shall hear all the good that I do to them; they shall fear and tremble.” A descendant of David will reign, and “execute judgment and righteousness in the earth.”  

Second 

Full Explanation:

YAHWEH never changes and the remnant will be named again IsraEL and will have sown the seed and finish the task that old Israel, did not complete and that is to reap the harvest of souls. We must go back to the Holy Convocations that belong to YAHWEH and not man to understand. These days were also given with the True Calendar, the Lunar/Solar Calendar. We are under and follow a Catholic calendar of Pope Gregory, who changed the pagan Julius Caesar calendar. Pagan calendars all over the world deal only with the sun. Now all follow the Catholic calendar worldwide!

YAHWEH did not have feast days they were called Holy Convocations and they would deal with all of salvation until the end of time. The specific one we will deal with has three important and specific names for a reason; the Holy Convocation of Harvest, Ingathering, (these names were given first), and Tabernacles, (Ex 23:16; Lev 23: 34-36). This Holy Convocation week was different then the Holy Convocation of Unleavened Bread. The Unleavened Bread week always fell on the 15^th and the 21^st were Holy days not the whole week. Unleavened bread could not be used at during the entire seven days but only two days were Holy. But the Holy Convocation of Harvest, Ingathering, and Tabernacles week, it was the 15^th and the 22^nd day that was Holy. This week was called the Octave week because it had a week and an extra day.

The significance of the all three names points to the HOLY SPIRIT which THE POWER of Elijah that the remnant who were sealed would have, the souls that were going to be saved during the Time of trouble, and the scattering of YAHSHUA’S people in safe places. The 8^th day we will finalize as the conclusion.

YAHSHUA’ Message was all about crop, the planting of the seed and the reaping of the harvest. If you know about gardening there is a seed time, the first harvest gather in known as the first fruit. This crop sowing is between March and April but grows and is gather first between June and July. The second fruit or crop sowing is between May and June the gathering is between August and July. The correlation to this Holy Convocation is the first fruit who YAHSHUA called the wise virgins and the extra oil that they had represented THE HOLY SPIRIT. They were the wise in Dan 12:3 and also the remnant in Rev 12:17 and who were sealed and name IsraEL in Rev 7:1-8. These were the ones who will finish the work because over the generations of the last days seeds were sown. It was now time to reap the harvest of souls.

Many have made a mistake about the Time of Trouble is not put the remnant through any more trial. They were already sealed before the Time of Trouble begin. They like Elijah would use THE HOLY SPIRIT who will empowered them with great power. They are the one who bring the WRATH of THE LAMB, which are the 7 Trumpet. YAHWEH tell the angels who are loose from prison that comes straight here not to hurt anything that is green. The green mean something that is ripe. They are the souls during the Time of Trouble will fill and see the WRATH of THE LAMB. They will hear also the final message of truth by the signs and miracles that the final IsraEL will perform. A great multitude will join in with Israel these are the last and final souls that will be sealed. Now, YAHSHUA says IT IS FINISH and HE scatter HIS people both the remnant and the great multitude all over the world. This is the significant of the Tabernacle or booth. Again, like Elijah, they will be taken and hidden in safe places and their water and bread shall be sure.

Now, intercession has ended which begins the one hour. The 1,260 days had come to end and time for salvation is completed. Now, begins the 1,290 days until the 1,335 days. The beast is a man the Bible clearly states, and he is the eighth. Nimrod, the that was, the papacy the beast that is not, and the final beast is the man that yet is! He comes from the Catholic church who was the seventh head but left her and became the eight head and he, not people will go into perdition.

The beast is the man during the hour that cause Jerusalem/Babylon to come into judgment. The beast, the false prophet and the 10 kings he selects and their people; they will have the mark and can buy and sell. Not those under the rulership of the papacy who has taken over Jerusalem. They will not be able to buy and sell and this will cause a war for supremacy to break out. This is the final battle on the earth. This battel is Armageddon and while this is taking place, THE VOICE of YAHWEH Speak to the saints and tell them YAHSHUA is on the way. But, to all the wicked is sounds like lightening and thunder. While the two evil foes are fighting YAHSHUA is coming like a thief in the night! The false prophet nukes the city and it is THE FATHER’S WILL, this will take place during the 6 of the 7 last plagues; THE WRATH of YAHWEH! The hour of Jerusalem/Babylon have come for the killing of the prophets, the apostles and the saint! The city is on fire and is crumbling, but an angel complete the task with a milestone and cast the entire city into the sea! She is remember for all of her sins and this is the final desolation of no return.

Then YAHSHUA comes and first redeem HIS people but HE also comes as a warrior with Flaming eyes, many crowns on HIS HEAD, with HIS NEW NAME! HE will be clothed in a vesture dipped in blood and HE has on HIS Vesture that is on HIS THIGH THE NAME written, KING OF KINGS, AND SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS.  HE IS still CALLED THE WORD OF YAHWEH! HE is on a White Horse and HIS armies of angels; the entire host is also riding on White Horse dress in fine white linen. A sharp sword is in HIS MOUTH that will strike the nations of wicked people. The Bible said clearly that HE shall rule these wicked people with rod of iron that stand for justice!

HE shall execute the severest judgment on the opposers of his truth. Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible

When HE tread the winepress with THE FIERCENESS and WRATH of EL SHADDAI; means they  shall be bruised and beaten, so that their life’s blood shall be poured out.

Finally, an angel will called all the birds to eat the dead flesh of the armies of the beast and the 10 kings and people.

Blessings!

[stinsonmarri]

On 12/11/2019 at 3:29 PM, 8thdaypriest said:

There are more - lots more. 

Third

Conclusion

The Holy Convocation week mention proves that the Day of Atonement is not the new year at all, which begins in the Spring on the first New Moon or Month called Abib in the Bible. Ex 12:2; 13:4 This is the only month that was named by YAHWEH in the Bible.

The harvest festival of the Jewish religion is called Sukkot or 'Feast of Ingathering' or 'the 'Feast of Tabernacles'. It is celebrated at the end of the year, after Rosh Hoshanah, the third of the great Annual Festivals. http://projectbritain.com/Harvest.html

When YAHSHUA  and all the saints return to Heaven they will judge the wicked the Bible says. Then after the 1,000 years it not the 7^th millennium that started the year 2,000 here on this earth. This will be the 8^th millennium, this was prophetically given in The Holy Convocation known as the Octave week because instead of the 21^st being a Holy day, the 22^nd was. This is the only week that the 15^th and the 22^nd days were Holy!

Finally, YAHSHUA will plant HIS FEET down on Mt Olivet and it will become immediately purified and flatten and become a plain. It will cover up the massive whole and some of the desolate Jerusalem/Babylon. They the Holy New Jerusalem that return with HIM sits down on this plain with the saints inside the City. YAHSHUA, wakes up all of the wicked dead from Cain to those destroyed in old Jerusalem/Babylon, (the papacy, the Protestants, the lost SDA, the false Judaic religion and people and other false religions), and finally, all who were eaten by the birds. They all arise and then Satan and his evil angels are all release from prison. Satan quickly heals all of the wicked people along with his angels. They tell them that he is the rightful ruler and was kick out of Heaven because THE FATHER is the tyrant.

These people have always being delusional to believe a lie and this time is no different. Satan tells them they must prepare for battle and YAHSHUA gives them a little time to prepare. Now, they are ready and prepare they feel to take the Holy City. As they marched up to take the City, all of them will see their lives and why they must receive their just reward of final death. Every need will bow and every tongue will confess that YAHWEH THE FATHER, YAHSHUA THE SON and THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE ALL ELOHIYM and THE FATHER IS THE MOST HIGH who shall be worshipped! Quickly, Satan shakes off his remorse and again persuade his angels and the wicked that they can still take the City. He shows them that there is more of them then those in the City. Doesn’t he not see the massive army of angels? The problem is he, Satan, he has been delusional himself! Fire comes down from Heaven destroyed Satan, his angels and all the wicked. That is the third and final coming to destroyed the wicked and execute judgment. The righteous reward is the Holy City, they that are filthy still is fire and brimstone and the final death including sin and death. All is eradicated and peace throughout the Universe! ALLELUYAH-PRAISE BE TO YAHWEH!

Blessings!

[stinsonmarri]

Everyone I forgot to reproof this time so there are some mistakes. Please forgive me!

Thank You!

[BlessedMan]

26 minutes ago, stinsonmarri said:

Everyone I forgot to reproof this time so there are some mistakes. Please forgive me!

Thank You!

Of course, but I dont know how to forgive someone when they have done nothing "wrong."

[stinsonmarri]

On 12/11/2019 at 3:27 PM, BlessedMan said:

I dont have time to say much detail right now, but I wonder IF this applies all of the time? Are all days "as a thousand years," or is there another picture we could look at. Certainly, in context, this would not be the case in much of the "prophecy" we are seeing these days. IOW, when it comes to the involvement of "time" in Bible prophecy; it is very often NOT about numbers. (more later)

Blessed man: YAHWEH has drawn the curtain of HIS WISDOM and not ours. Remember to HIM a thousand years is like a day, but not to us yet but soon. That thousand will become a day to us when get to Heaven we will be changed! Secret things belong to HIM and HE has revealed just a dot to along with HIS WISDOM. When the Bible states you have to have WISDOM that is HIS and it is given by THE HOLY SPIRIT, TRUE UNDERSTANDING but praying for it confessing your sins first and asking them to be remove. Also praying for love ones, friends and people on this forum all of them and HE will hear and give you HIS WISDOM!

Blessings!

[8thdaypriest]

stinsonmarri,

What will happen to the small children from before the Flood of Noah, from Sodom, from the Northern Kingdom of Israel, from all this 6000 years?   What will happen to pagans who died without any knowledge of God and His Son?   What will happen to people with mental disabilities? 

Tell us your opinion on this. 

[JoeMo]

2 hours ago, 8thdaypriest said:

What will happen to the small children from before the Flood of Noah, from Sodom, from the Northern Kingdom of Israel, from all this 6000 years?   What will happen to pagans who died without any knowledge of God and His Son?   What will happen to people with mental disabilities? 

An additional question - what happens to those through the ages who were indoctrinated with a thoroughly twisted and deviant view of God through inheritance/culture; and rejected Him because of these wrong ideas (e.g., God sends sinners to hell with a special immortal body that will feel agony forever; but never burn up)?

[stinsonmarri]

On 12/16/2019 at 3:49 PM, 8thdaypriest said:

stinsonmarri,

What will happen to the small children from before the Flood of Noah, from Sodom, from the Northern Kingdom of Israel, from all this 6000 years?   What will happen to pagans who died without any knowledge of God and His Son?   What will happen to people with mental disabilities? 

Tell us your opinion on this. 

What will happen to them they died too and as the Commandments states: ". . .visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate ME;" Like with David the child died because of his sin so will it be as example for parents who causes the penalty of sin on their children. You will reap what you have sown! Read Eze 9:5, 6!

Blessings!

Blessings!

[JoeMo]

56 minutes ago, stinsonmarri said:

What will happen to them they died too and as the Commandments states: ". . .visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate ME;"

On the other hand,

"The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself." (Ezek. 18:20)

[stinsonmarri]

37 minutes ago, JoeMo said:

On the other hand,

"The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself." (Ezek. 18:20)

Joe: If you will read the whole chapter it will completely understandable. But, even these two Scriptures make it very plain:

 Yet say ye, Why? Doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live. The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Eze 18:19, 20 

When, the children come of age and are able to answer for themselves and act righteous by keeping the Commandments; the parents are not responsible. The Chapter begins with the Children of IsraEL giving a false proverb. I would like you to read it, when you have time.

Blessings!

[JoeMo]

9 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

I would like you to read it, when you have time.

“What do you mean by repeating this proverb concerning the land of Israel, ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge’? (Ezek:18:2)

I have read it; and I stand by my assertion that the soul that sins will perish; not his/her children or parents. The false proverb stated above proves my point - it is a FALSE proverb.

When Jesus was asked whose sin caused a man's blindness, He answered:

"And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him. " (John 9:2-3)

[BlessedMan]

7 minutes ago, JoeMo said:

"And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him. " (John 9:2-3)

Through our trials and defects, God is leading us to trust in Him. Some of us (me included/especially) would do well to have the faith of that blind man.

[stinsonmarri]

22 minutes ago, JoeMo said:

“What do you mean by repeating this proverb concerning the land of Israel, ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge’? (Ezek:18:2)

I have read it; and I stand by my assertion that the soul that sins will perish; not his/her children or parents. The false proverb stated above proves my point - it is a FALSE proverb.

When Jesus was asked whose sin caused a man's blindness, He answered:

"And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him. " (John 9:2-3)

The blind man did not have to commit iniquity, neither did his parents. Sometime it is because of sin, just like what happen to Job for a test of faith! Because of his faith, he was heal. However, those children who died in Sodom died because of their parents. We are not talking about the grown children. When Lot tried to talk to his grown children they refuse to obey! But we are talking about children they died with their parents and children will die again with their parents. That's what the Bible is stating that the parents are responsible for their children until they become or age to make their own decision. Some have at the age of 9, 10,11, and 12 in various countries! It is what the child knows and understand! Some do not understand at the age below 12 and some show it by their behavior as well. THE FATHER knows it all and it is HIS decision and I personally do not second guess HIM! 

Blessings!