WWJD [i]Differently?[/i]

[Norman Byers, N.D.]

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Originally Posted By: Norman

...he was able to disappear by the Spirit.

Funny, Jesus couldn't do this before the resurrection! No, Christ's humanity was very different from ours after His resurrection.

Who says? What about the times when they tried to lay hands on Him? What about walking on water? If Jesus could do these things what makes you think that He couldn't do them before the crucifixion? You are using human reasoning. :-)

Yes Christ's humanity was different, that's what I have been saying only that He had and has flesh and bones as He asked Thomas to touch Him. He said see a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see me have.

Norman

[Norman Byers, N.D.]

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Originally Posted By: Norman

Here's the GNB it clears this up.

Paraphrased versions are terrible!

Some are and some are good in certain places. In 1 Cor 15, where we quoted from; it is spot on.

Norman

[Robert]

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Who says? What about the times when they tried to lay hands on Him?

The Bible doesn't say He disappeared.

Okay, good point, but Peter also did it.

[Gerr]

Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo

God sends a message of health to His people. When accepted and followed, it leads to healthier and longer life; rejected, it leads to disease and death.

God's says, "Eat right"...but many do not so God kills 'em? Is that your point?

[color;blue] No, that's not my point. I have been trying to explain that God's promises/commands have positive & negative consequences. If I follow the command or the conditions of His promise, the blessing is inherent in the promise/command. Ditto the curse/negative consequence if not followed. God does not have to actively do anything. The positive & negative consequences are inherent in the command/promise. It is in this sense that I understand what the Bible means when it says God creates light & darkness, good & evil.

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God will never destroy anyone. Sin brings death and those who reject God bring evil upon themselves. God does not do evil.

That sin brings death, I fully agree. But who executes the sinner? I know sin itself cannot do that. I know Satan can destroy, but he cannot inflict the second death either on himself or anyone else. Who will do that?

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IF it's wrong for me to kill, it's wrong for God to kill. If not God is the biggest hypocrite of all. He's no better than the politician who makes laws for the masses, but for himself he has a loophole.

God forbids us to judge people, but HE CAN!!! Because HE IS DA JUDGE!!! God forbids us to murder, but He can execute murderers because HE IS DA JUDGE!!!

Gerry

[Gerr]

Despite the seemingly clear way in which Scripture presents Him, the traditional view of Christianity's God is heavy with ethical problems that have puzzled reasonable men and women from time immemorial. As long as humans have reasoned on the subject of God, they have wondered about His destructive side. Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, eternal hell fire. . . . How can a God who punishes so cruelly also say: "I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die?" "How can I give you up, Ephraim? How can I hand you over, Israel? . . . My heart churns within Me; My sympathy is stirred." "My heart sobs like a flute for Moab, sobs like a flute for the men of Kirheres; that accumulated treasure all lost" (Ezekiel 33:11; Hosea 11:8; Jeremiah 48:36, JB). Would not humans manifesting this personality split be considered psychotic?

We put God in a terrible predicament. When evil runs rampant and He allows it, we say, "Where is God? Why doesn't He DO something?" And then when He does do something to stem the tide of evil, then we say, "That's not like God!"

Gerry

[Robert]

God does not have to actively do anything. The positive & negative consequences are inherent in the command/promise.

[Norman Byers, N.D.]

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If sin brings death then why do we need an executioner?

So God can be righteous.

Psa 9:6 O thou enemy, destructions are come to a perpetual end: and thou hast destroyed cities; their memorial is perished with them. 7 But the LORD shall endure forever: he hath prepared his throne for judgment. 8 And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.

Because He said He would.

Heb 10:30 For we know Him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I willrecompense, saith the Lord.

Because death is the wages of sin, not the rejection of God's Son.

Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment,(not only death; as in wages of sin) suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Norman

[Robert]

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If sin brings death then why do we need an executioner?

So God can be righteous.

Romans 5:12 ...through one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned.

Sin produces death. If God produces death He then is the originator of sin.

[Robert]

“I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies (1st death); 26 and whoever lives and believes in me will never die (2nd death)"

This isn't complicated at all.

All men die the 1st death - the result of sin, but only those who reject the life Giver, Jesus Christ, die the 2nd death. Does God kill them? No, rather God abandons them to their choice. When God abandons this sin ravaged world it will literally fall apart. Those who die as a result of this die the 2nd time. They go to their graves without the hope of a resurrection. That's the 2nd death.