wayfinder Posted August 1, 2009 Posted August 1, 2009 I did not say that, I said it is "highly doubtful" it was ever told. The "eyewitness" gospels don't have this or anything similar to it. Luke was so far removed from Jesus time and was not an eyewitness... put two and two together. It is not consistant with Jesus testimony, but it is with Paul's. Quote
Moderators Gerr Posted August 1, 2009 Moderators Posted August 1, 2009 Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo As usual you lift quotes out of their context to present perfectionism. You can't be a sinner and a law keeper simultaneously. As to falling short re-read 1 John 1:8 for starters.... And just who are the people John was talking about in Rev 12:17 & 14:12 "who keep the commandments of God?" Are they sinless? Quote
Richard Holbrook Posted August 1, 2009 Posted August 1, 2009 Olger, what would happen if we threw out part of the Bible everytime it didn't seem to line up with our pre-concieved notions while studying? Quote
Moderators John317 Posted August 1, 2009 Author Moderators Posted August 1, 2009 When you study the Bible in public colleges, it is common to hear or read people who say some part of Scripture is not legitimate and can't be trusted. Some books written by these people only accept a small percentage of Christ's words. They do the same with the Hebrew prophets and with most books of the Bible. Once you start down that road, there's no end to it. Many end up doubting virtually everything in the Gospels, including Christ's resurrection. If you mention a literal SEcond Coming to them, or a literal creation that took 6 days and ended in the Sabbath, they just laugh. Notice that in order to go down that road, a person must first jettison Ellen White as a genuine prophet of God. Why would an SDA choose to go that way? Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Moderators Gerr Posted August 1, 2009 Moderators Posted August 1, 2009 Quote: The KJV, (which I believe is the most accurate for study) puts it this way: Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. .. Which is different from irrevocable. "Without repentance" is translated from the word "ametameletos" strong's # 278, 1) not repentant of, unregretted The other version you quoted (AMP) is paraphrased, which is disallowed for study purposes. For obvious reasons. Try the ESV. You might like it. It has given me the least disappointment so far. As for the Amplified, it is the amplified portion that is the paraphrased part. Too many archaic words in the KJV for me. Quote
Moderators Gerr Posted August 1, 2009 Moderators Posted August 1, 2009 Take a thousand, maybe just a hundred, people who have different experiences and you won't have any Bible left. Quote
Richard Holbrook Posted August 1, 2009 Posted August 1, 2009 If you throw out the second coming, whats the point? Might as well just close the book. Quote
Richard Holbrook Posted August 1, 2009 Posted August 1, 2009 Hey Gerry are you going to see my uncle tommorrow? Quote
Musicman1228 Posted August 1, 2009 Posted August 1, 2009 Robert, I have a question: who were the judaizers that Paul was railing against? Quote
olger Posted August 1, 2009 Posted August 1, 2009 Olger, what would happen if we threw out part of the Bible everytime it didn't seem to line up with our pre-concieved notions while studying? Probably fit in our wallet, the G Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Moderators Gerr Posted August 1, 2009 Moderators Posted August 1, 2009 I did not say that, I said it is "highly doubtful" it was ever told. The "eyewitness" gospels don't have this or anything similar to it. Luke was so far removed from time and was not an eyewitness... put two and two together. It is not consistant with Jesus testimony, but it is with Paul's. "Now there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written." Jn 21:25 ESV. "1 Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, 2 just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us, 3 it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught." Lk 1:1-4 ESV Quote
Moderators Gerr Posted August 1, 2009 Moderators Posted August 1, 2009 Hey Gerry are you going to see my uncle tommorrow? Probably. Quote
Richard Holbrook Posted August 1, 2009 Posted August 1, 2009 And I hope you have a Happy Sabbath Gerry. Quote
Richard Holbrook Posted August 1, 2009 Posted August 1, 2009 Originally Posted By: wayfinder I did not say that, I said it is "highly doubtful" it was ever told. The "eyewitness" gospels don't have this or anything similar to it. Luke was so far removed from time and was not an eyewitness... put two and two together. It is not consistant with Jesus testimony, but it is with Paul's. "Now there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written." Jn 21:25 ESV. That's the text I was going to use. Quote
Robert Posted August 1, 2009 Posted August 1, 2009 And just who are the people John was talking about in Rev 12:17 & 14:12 "who keep the commandments of God?" Are they sinless? Not you and the Laodicean church.... Quote
Robert Posted August 1, 2009 Posted August 1, 2009 Robert,I have a question: who were the judaizers that Paul was railing against? Jews who had converted to Christianity, but demanded obedience to the law in order to be saved. Quote
Richard Holbrook Posted August 1, 2009 Posted August 1, 2009 Robert are you saying we don't need to obey? Quote
wayfinder Posted August 1, 2009 Posted August 1, 2009 Matthew 27:44 The robbers who had been crucified with Him were also insulting Him with the same words. Mark 15:32 "Let this Christ, the King of Israel, now come down from the cross, so that we may see and believe!" Those who were crucified with Him were also insulting Him. Luke 23:39-43 One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, "Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!" But the other answered, and rebuking him said, "Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? "And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong." And he was saying, "Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!" And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise." (only in Luke) Lu 23:7 And when he learned that He belonged to Herod's jurisdiction, he sent Him to Herod, who himself also was in Jerusalem at that time. (Only in Luke does Jesus go to Herod at His trial, could it be that his protege Paul was related to Herod?) Ro 16:11 Greet Herodion, my kinsman. This is but a small sampling of the many differences between the eyewitnesses testimony and that of Luke. The "gospel" of Luke has around 530 unique lines of text. I don't know who was giving Luke the information, but it is not substantiated by the known eyewitnesses. Testimony proven in error by two eyewitnesses testimony would be enough to throw the testimony of that person out. Quote
Robert Posted August 1, 2009 Posted August 1, 2009 Robert are you saying we don't need to obey? Obey what? Quote
Moderators Gerr Posted August 1, 2009 Moderators Posted August 1, 2009 Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo And just who are the people John was talking about in Rev 12:17 & 14:12 "who keep the commandments of God?" Are they sinless? Not you and the Laodicean church.... Who then? Quote
Moderators Gerr Posted August 1, 2009 Moderators Posted August 1, 2009 And I hope you have a Happy Sabbath Gerry. Thanks. Likewise to you and your family. Quote
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