Buy Gold Now

[Key Guy]

From an emailed newsletter... SwissAmerica.com

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Last July it was suggested that $2,000 an ounce on a two to three-year view was possible, as this would bring gold back up to its historical peak in real terms (constant dollars) last seen in 1980. This could now turn out to be a substantial underestimate as the stage is now set for gold to rise to $3,000 an ounce or higher as a wave of freshly printed liquidity sparks a renewed global surge into the only asset that investors will trust in these circumstances, writes Ian Williams, Chairman of Charteris Treasury Portfolio Managers in the London Telegraph.

[Dr. Shane]

I don't think buying gold is a good investment.

[phkrause]

I know dgrimm that I would not waste my money on it.

pk

[Joe_in_RP]

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This could now turn out to be a substantial underestimate as the stage is now set for gold to rise to $3,000 an ounce or higher as a wave of freshly printed liquidity sparks a renewed global surge into the only asset that investors will trust in these circumstances,

There are many who are predicting that the price of Gold will go through the roof. They are basing their models on an assumption that, in the future people will behave like the past. That is a big assumption. I believe people will behave differently because the circumstances will be dramatically different. I believe peoples behavior in the near future is completely unpredictable.

I still believe the very best investment that has the very best guarantee is investing it Gods work, Poor people, Widows and Orphans.

[ChildofChrist]

We are told to buy gold of Him. Lay up your treasures in Heaven.

[phkrause]

I have to agree with you Joe. Besides gold will probably go under again and than there left with worthless medal again!

pk

[Dr. Shane]

If a person is concerned about the economy collapsing and wants something that will hold its value the answer is liquor and tobacco.

[phkrause]

Your probably right Shane. Because I know a few people that have no money but yet you'll always see them with a cigarette or a bottle of beer. They seem to have money for that.

pk

[GreatLakesGramma]

The best preparation for economic collapse is to buy a farm. Then you have what everyone needs most - food.

[Key Guy]

If a person is concerned about the economy collapsing and wants something that will hold its value the answer is liquor and tobacco.

... and babes! Maybe I should invest in an escort service.

[phkrause]

Or you just need to know someone with a farm! :):)

pk

[Dr. Shane]

A lot of those farmers will trade food for liquor or cigarettes.

[Key Guy]

I know someone who started a business with $4,000 of borrowed money, then sold it 20 years later for just over $100,000. Not a Bill Gates story, but looks like it was a decent investment.

[Joe_in_RP]

Well its up to each of us to choose his/her own investments. But as for me and my house, we are going to invest in heaven.

I believe that somehow, someway God will see us through.

And you know the best part? You never have to worry about thieves.

[Key Guy]

Well its up to each of us to choose his/her own investments. But as for me and my house, we are going to invest in heaven.

If I may get personal, exactly how do you intend 'to invest in heaven'? What will you do specifically?

[Key Guy]

Can 'having life more abundantly' involve finances, too?

We know it's very hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom, but where is the line between being rich and being a financially blessed Christian? Is it a sin to aspire to be more wealthy?

What would a successful ASI business owner tell us?

[Dr. Shane]

Good questions.

[GreatLakesGramma]

Is it a sin to aspire to be more wealthy?

It depends totally on why you want to be more wealthy.

[Key Guy]

Of all the segments of society, one could successfully argue that the homeless/downtrodden receive gobs of attention when it comes to evangelism.

By the same token, one could successfully argue that the upper tiers of society, those not financially challenged, receive the least attention in evangelism.

The biggest reason that I can determine is that one cannot efficiently reach the rich when he or she is not in that tier. The poor and middle class simply do not 'hobnob' with the movers and shakers. As Christians, we are led to feel guilty if we approach the upper tiers of society. Christians simply should not acquire much money, nice homes or a Bentley.

Christ seemed to spend quality time with people in all social levels. How did He do it? No doubt, part of the mix was His celebrity gained from healing whole villages when he passed through them. Most of us aren't healing like that, so we aren't so famous.

What's a 21st century Christian to do?

[Robert]

They are basing their models on an assumption that,

The whole stock market is based on assumptions....It's called speculation....Oil went up this summer because folks felt the economy was getting better....They think, "If the economy is getting better the world (especially China and the USA) will begin to use more." That will make demand go up with the current supplies and hence the oil stock goes up....It's all based on speculation....

[Robert]

We know it's very hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom....

Without going into an exegesis of Matt chapter 19 I'd like to comment on this:

Christ's point is that it's impossible (not hard) for a rich man to enter heaven.

"it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Camels are rather large mammals. The eye of a needle is very, very small. Therefore it is impossible for a camel to go through the eye of a needle!!! Hence it is impossible for a rich man to go to heaven. That's why the disciples asked, "Who then can be saved?" In other words if a rich man can't make it to heaven who can?

The mentality of the Jews back in Christ's day (maybe even now) was that a rich man is a good man blessed of God because of his law keeping. You can find this principle in the OT/OC:

Deut 28:1 If you fully [not partially] obey the Lord your God and carefully follow all his laws I give you today, the Lord your God will set you high above all the nations on earth. 2 All these blessings will come upon you and accompany you if you obey the Lord your God: ...11The Lord will grant you abundant prosperity"

The RYR was extremely rich and he also claimed to be a law keeper: "All these things I have done, where do I lack anything?"

So in his eyes he deserved heaven because his riches proved his righteousness.

What Christ is denouncing in the context of your statement isn't about being rich. It's about thinking that your wealth makes you deserving of heaven.

I've seen this mentality in the SDA church I use to attend. This one guy (there were others) would practically brag about all the things God gave him (he was rich) and he would always link it to his obedience. In other words I'm a good man and God has blessed me because of my commandment keeping.

So the context (if you study it out) is if you think your wealth proves your righteousness and gives you access to the pearly gates, think again. " "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

[Dr. Shane]

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Camels are rather large mammals. The eye of a needle is very, very small.

I think a little more study is needed there.

The Camel and The Eye of The Needle

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Jesus' hearers believed that wealth and prosperity were a sign of God's blessing (cf. Leviticus and Deuteronomy). So their incredulity is more along the lines that, "if the rich, who must be seen as righteous by God by dint of their evident blessing, can't be saved, who can be?". Later Christians have turned this around to portray wealth as a hindrance to salvation, which it can be – but no more so than many other things, when the message is that salvation is impossible for all men for it comes from God alone.

[phkrause]

I think you bring up some good points timewarp. I'd say that someone who is financially blessed is someone that has been giving to the Lord and the Lord is giving them more. So like you I also wonder, is it wrong to want to be wealthy to be able to give more back to the Lord?

pk

[Woody]

God doesn't need or want our money. He wants our hearts. As far as money goes .... we really don't need it either. We need Jesus. Money is more of a curse than a blessing. I doubt that Jesus would curse us if we are faithful to Him.

[Robert]

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Camels are rather large mammals. The eye of a needle is very, very small.

I think a little more study is needed there.

The Camel and The Eye of The Needle

Speculation....

Jesus didn't mean it was possible....You need to read on:

I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." 25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?" 26 Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."