Robert Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 I'd say that someone who is financially blessed is someone that has been giving to the Lord and the Lord is giving them more. That's how the Jews thought in the time of Christ....A good man is a rich man blessed of God....In this case paying tithe. If I pay tithe in order to get more goods my motive is centered in iniquity. I'm being self-centered and God is going to reward me for that? Then sin pays.... Quote
Dr. Shane Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 I think you bring up some good points timewarp. I'd say that someone who is financially blessed is someone that has been giving to the Lord and the Lord is giving them more. pk That certainly is the case with some. Certainly Abraham, Jacob, King David and Job were all wealthy men and blessed of God. However money that is not earned honestly (like perks from a credit card) is shameful and not a blessing from God. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Dr. Shane Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." 25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?" 26 Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." It is impossible for any to be saved without God. It doesn't matter if they are rich or poor. Salvation is only possible through God. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Dr. Shane Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Arnold Carnegie said that a man that dies rich dies in shame. He was one of the richest men of his day and by the time he died he had given away nearly all of his fortune. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Robert Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Originally Posted By: Robert I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." 25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?" 26 Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." It is impossible for any to be saved without God. It doesn't matter if they are rich or poor. Salvation is only possible through God. Shane, take in the whole context....It's just like I said.... Quote
Robert Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Originally Posted By: pkrause I think you bring up some good points timewarp. I'd say that someone who is financially blessed is someone that has been giving to the Lord and the Lord is giving them more. pk That certainly is the case with some. Certainly Abraham, Jacob, King David and Job were all wealthy men and blessed of God. Read how Abraham got his wealth....It wasn't necessarily from God.....David was a mess...Jacob the same....But, let's say all these man received wealth from God for arguments sake. 1] Did God make them wealthy because of their obedience to the law? 2] Did they look to their wealth as proof of their ticket to heaven? Quote
Dr. Shane Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 When God blesses a person with wealth it is a test. The test is to see what the person will do with the wealth. God blesses some people with wealth and they fail miserably. He has a special place in hell designated for those that misuse His blessings. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Members phkrause Posted July 25, 2009 Members Posted July 25, 2009 That's exactly what I meant Shane. And I believe that timewarp was thinking the same. I would never think that someone who decieves others to get money is blessed by God. And doesn't God say in the Bible that if we are faithful in giving to him that he will not pour out more blessings. Now he might not of meant more money but he did say we would be blessed. pk Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Robert Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 When God blesses a person with wealth it is a test. Quote
Robert Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 ...doesn't God say in the Bible that if we are faithful in giving to him that he will not pour out more blessings. pk You must be very careful to understand what you are reading. The Jews read, "If you fully obey the Lord your God and carefully follow all his laws ... The Lord will grant you abundant prosperity", and got busy keeping the law legalistically. Does God want us to be selfish? When you bribe your kid (if you do) and state, "Johnny, if you are a good boy I'll..." Johnny immediately puts on his best face so he can get his way. In other words parents who do this are training their kids to be fine legalists when they grow up. So they go to church and the Pastor says, "If you don't pay your tithe God won't bless you and you'll miss out on heaven too." So outwardly folks pay their tithe so they can buy a blessing. It's sickening... And this idea of paying to get more back, well, that too is selfishness....How about paying to get nothing in return? (Read Luke 6:30-36). God wants us to the right thing for the right motive. All selfish motivations pollute the act and in God's eyes such works are filthy rags. Hence the OC demands of the law expose even our motives. Quote
Members phkrause Posted July 25, 2009 Members Posted July 25, 2009 Robert before I comment on your comment, please give me the text that you are quoting, so that I know we're on the same page. Thanks pk Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Dr. Shane Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 So God shows partiality...? Also, if your view is right, why would God bless someone if it will make them fail? Doesn't sound like the God I know.... Well, I invite anyone that doesn't know this God to get to know Him. All one has to do is open their Bible, and their mind. God tests us by giving us blessings and seeing what we do with them. That isn't causing us to fail. If we fail it is because we choose not to be faithful. There are thousands of artists, musicians, actors and authors in the world whom God has blessed with fantastic talents and they fail to pass the test. Does God show partiality? I guess that depends on how someone defines partiality. He does not bless everyone equally. To some He gives musical talent, to others the heart of a teacher, to others the gift of public speaking, to others wealth, to others a wonderful singing voice, etc, etc, etc. God blesses different people different ways. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Woody Posted July 26, 2009 Posted July 26, 2009 Does God bless those who are wicked? Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
olger Posted July 26, 2009 Posted July 26, 2009 He has. Blessings rejected turn into curses. Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Woody Posted July 26, 2009 Posted July 26, 2009 I've been greatly blessed. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Dr. Shane Posted July 26, 2009 Posted July 26, 2009 The rain falls on both the good and the bad - - - the ugly too. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Robert Posted July 26, 2009 Posted July 26, 2009 To some He gives musical talent, to others the heart of a teacher, to others the gift of public speaking, to others wealth, to others a wonderful singing voice, etc, etc, etc. God blesses different people different ways. To others poverty...to others the gift of garbage disposal...To others nurse's aid to change bedpans. No? Come on Shane, this is human speculation....God blesses all....He brings rain on the wicked and the just....What men do with those blessing is up to them....God is no respecter of persons. Quote
Robert Posted July 26, 2009 Posted July 26, 2009 to others wealth, Like Hugh Hefner? Like those who exploit? Like the CEO who screws folks out of their pensions/jobs? God gave them these jobs? Please.... We are all born bent to self....Everything we do, until we gain a mature life with Christ, is for our glory Quote
Woody Posted July 26, 2009 Posted July 26, 2009 The rain falls on both the good and the bad - - - the ugly too. Who ya callin' ugly ... me dog or me? Either way ... PUT YUR DUKES UP. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Woody Posted July 26, 2009 Posted July 26, 2009 ya? Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
olger Posted July 26, 2009 Posted July 26, 2009 Quote: Another Ethics Complaint Dismissed FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE No. 09-186 Another Ethics Complaint Dismissed July 24, 2009, Anchorage, Alaska – The Personnel Board has announced that another ethics complaint against Governor Sarah Palin has been dismissed. The complaint, the sixth filed by Anchorage resident Andree McLeod, accused the governor of violating the Ethics Act by receiving her salary while campaigning for vice president. The accusation, lodged Monday, was dismissed as legally flawed and factually devoid of merit. Governor Palin remained on duty, conducted state business, and communicated with her staff and her constituents. “Andree McLeod has failed to prevail on any of the ethics complaints she has filed against the governor,” said Mike Nizich, Palin’s chief of staff. “It appears her agenda is clear – she’s abusing the ethics laws to harass public officials.” ### Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Woody Posted July 26, 2009 Posted July 26, 2009 Now that there is worth it's weight in Gold. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
olger Posted July 26, 2009 Posted July 26, 2009 Palin decent. McLeod not. g Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Moderators Gerr Posted July 26, 2009 Moderators Posted July 26, 2009 If a person is concerned about the economy collapsing and wants something that will hold its value the answer is liquor and tobacco. And you're telling me credit cards are evil? Or just being sarcastically funny? Quote
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