End time "perfection".

[LifeHiscost]

Has Redwood? It all comes down to a matter of interpretation. Accusations about one another does not help anyone's cause. Particularly the cause of God.

So no one has a monopoly on Truth.

"The message of salvation is communicated to men through human agencies. But the Jews had sought to make a monopoly of the truth which is eternal life. They had hoarded the living manna, and it had turned to corruption. The religion which they tried to shut up to themselves became an offense. They robbed God of His glory, and defrauded the world by a counterfeit of the gospel. They had refused to surrender themselves to God for the salvation of the world, and they became agents of Satan for its destruction. {DA 36.1}" underlined mine LHC

It seems disagreement is not a problem but perhaps hoarding what we believe, away from the world, is.

For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.Romans 10:3 KJV

And that would mean submitting both to His imputed righteousness as well as His imparted righteousness. Some have difficulty with one or the other. Old sailor, let's you and I, and anyone else who wishes, claim this promise for yourself as well as ourself, to this end that we be willing to accept His righteousness whether imparted or imputed, and then believe His promise to us.

""Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven."Matthew 18:19 NIV

Blessings!

[skyblue888]

it is very easy to discuss what we must be like when Christ comes

yet be so blind and deceived

that we dont see the sin in our own lives

we swear up and down

has to be given up before heaven.

"I saw that none could share the "refreshing" unless they obtain the victory over every besetment, over pride, selfishness, love of the world, and over every wrong word and action. We should, therefore, be drawing nearer and nearer to the Lord and be earnestly seeking that preparation necessary to enable us to stand in the battle in the day of the Lord. Let all remember that God is holy and that none but holy beings can ever dwell in His presence." {Mar 254.5}

Thanks Teresa. This is a great statement. Now this is what it's all about, about end-time events. This is at the very heart of the issue in the controversy between Christ and Satan. I wonder what Red would say about this statement, that in order to partake of the descent of the Holy Spirit in large measure, when the latter rain shall come, we must first have the victory over every besetment, over pride, selfishness, love of the world, and over every wrong word and action! I think I have a pretty good idea what Red will say after reading this statement, something like "I agree with that statement. It is all true but it all depends how you interpret it." hehe

sky

[oldsailor29]

Hang in there oldsailor, you're going to live at least till Jesus comes.

[Twilight]

Originally Posted By: Redwood

Sky ... it is you that rejects just about everything she said and yet from time to time you try to make it appear that you are accepting her writings when the opposite is the truth.

This does great harm to our church and to the message of our prophet.

I'm a member of my local Seventh day Adventist Church. Are you? I've never heard of any SDA with your kind of belief.

Has Sky said something on this thread that is out of line with the 28 FB??

in Christ,

Bob

No, not as far as I can see.

Maybe Redwood would like to explain what he sees Sky rejecting?

I am mystified why he would make that claim.

I know that Redwood rejects the idea that we need to overcome before Jesus comes, because Redwood teaches that Jesus will change our characters when He comes, which is directly opposed to what Ellen White stated.

So I can see how Redwood disagrees with the SOP, but not sure how Sky does, because Redwood has made the charge but there is no "filling in the sandwich", no basis for examination of that charge...

Mark

[oldsailor29]

I saw that none could share the "refreshing" unless they obtain the victory over every besetment, over pride, selfishness, love of the world, and over every wrong word and action. We should, therefore, be drawing nearer and nearer to the Lord and be earnestly seeking that preparation necessary to enable us to stand in the battle in the day of the Lord. Let all remember that God is holy and that none but holy beings can ever dwell in His presence. {Mar 254.5}

I would like to read this statement from it's source, but I don't recognize "Mar 254.5." Where will I find that?

[Guest]

Here it is:

Maranatha; The Lord Is Coming. 1976. Washington, D.C.: Review and Herald Publishing Association, 1976. 383 pp. [Mar]

[skyblue888]

Originally Posted By: BobRyan

Has Sky said something on this thread that is out of line with the 28 FB??

in Christ' date='

Bob [/quote']

No, not as far as I can see.

Maybe Redwood would like to explain what he sees Sky rejecting?

I am mystified why he would make that claim.

I know that Redwood rejects the idea that we need to overcome before Jesus comes, because Redwood teaches that Jesus will change our characters when He comes, which is directly opposed to what Ellen White stated.

So I can see how Redwood disagrees with the SOP, but not sure how Sky does, because Redwood has made the charge but there is no "filling in the sandwich", no basis for examination of that charge...

Mark

Thanks Mark. You are absolutely right. I would like to see where I have disagreed with or contradicted the Testimonies. No evidence has been shown to support this charge.

sky

[BobRyan]

Seems like this subject comes up on other threads -- why not this one??

[Woody]

Yeah. I'm a real popular target. Ha Ha. Are you jealous?

[BobRyan]

Nope - I have enough of a target on me on some other threads -- you are welcomed to all of yours.

On this thread there are two subjects

1. The character of the theif on the cross at his death vs his resurrection.

2. The character of the saints that go throug the close of probation (which seems to be the subject title).

in Christ,

Bob

[skyblue888]

Nope - I have enough of a target on me on some other threads -- you are welcomed to all of yours.

On this thread there are two subjects

1. The character of the theif on the cross at his death vs his resurrection.

2. The character of the saints that go throug the close of probation (which seems to be the subject title).

in Christ,

Bob

Right on Bob. But there are those who want to stick to number 1. Number 2 is at the very heart of the foundation and central pillar of the Advent Movement. This is what has been attacked for years and years. Unbelief on that account is what has caused Christ to delay His coming.

Right?

sky

[Guest]

And they are distinctly different.

[skyblue888]

They sure are. Otherwise we have no reason to exist as a people.

sky

[Guest]

How would one go about getting your booklets in printed form? Is that on the website?

[skyblue888]

They are available in paper back, pocket size. Available right now are What Must I Do to Be Saved? Letter To The 1888 Message Study Committee, That Which Has Been Will Be, The Faith That Works By Love, and The Miracle Of The Cross.

All I need is your mailing address.

sky

[Guest]

Your PM mailbox is full.

[skyblue888]

here is my e-mail address Richard,

humblebee314@hotmail.com

sky

[Guest]

Ok thanks

[skyblue888]

yw :)

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted By: BobRyan

On this thread there are two subjects

1. The character of the theif on the cross at his death vs his resurrection.

2. The character of the saints that go throug the close of probation (which seems to be the subject title).

in Christ,

Bob

Right on Bob. But there are those who want to stick to number 1. Number 2 is at the very heart of the foundation and central pillar of the Advent Movement. This is what has been attacked for years and years. Unbelief on that account is what has caused Christ to delay His coming.

Right?

sky

Ellen White said that it was "due to our insubordination" that the Lord has not come.

But back to the two cases.

I tried to address the second case (the righteous that are sealed and that go through the close of probation ) here on this thread.

http://clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/272219/Re_End_time_perfection.html#Post272219

Two posts before that I tried to address the theif on the cross scenario.

I was just reading the chapter in GC about "God's people delivered" where Ellen White describes the 144,000 as they enter heaven and once again reviews their "unique experience" as compared to every other human in all of time. Pretty facinating!

in Christ,

Bob

[skyblue888]

This is why they will be an "illustrious company" of people.

sky

[Musicman1228]

When does probation close for the SDA church? During the shaking before the Great Trib, or at the seventh trumpet with everyone else?

[Woody]

Quote:

Unbelief on that account is what has caused Christ to delay His coming.

"God has given no one light to say, “My Lord delayeth his coming.” Let the inquiry be made, Shall I stand at the right hand or at the left hand of the Judge at that day?" . . . {CTr 346.4}

"But like the stars in the vast circuit of their appointed path, God's purposes know no haste and no delay." DA 32

[skyblue888]

1901 "We may have to remain in this world because of insubordination many more years, as did the children of Israel." Evangelism, 696.

2 Peter 3:12 says that we may look for and hasten the coming of the day of God. This shows that we may also delay that coming.

What you quoted Red is something else completely.

sky

Great Controversy, pp.457,458 states that His coming has been delayed ever since 1844.

[Woody]

What you've quoted Sky ... is something else completely.

I trust our prophet enough that she knew what she said when she spoke these words:

"God has given no one light to say, “My Lord delayeth his coming.” Let the inquiry be made, Shall I stand at the right hand or at the left hand of the Judge at that day?" . . . {CTr 346.4}