LifeHiscost Posted November 13, 2009 Posted November 13, 2009 I am uncertain as to why you quoted me. Where did I say anything that is related to your response? I never mentioned open flagrant sin. I will suggest that your second citation (Matt. 18) rules out much of what is often carried on in the name of discipline. I have often used that passge to stop discipline--the requirements of Matthew 18 had not been carried out. To tell you the truth, Gregory, I'm not sure why I quoted you either. Evidently, at the time I read your post, it elicited a stream of thought that seemed appropriate to me. However since you can see no light in the juxtaposition of my post, it seems fair to assume God did not give you any light from the source. And that isn't necessarily a bad thing. It helps to recognize there are many besides ourselves reading our posts that may find encouragement, though we ourselves don't need that gift at the moment. Also your response to how you relate to the Scripture and how it is a force for good in the lives you minister to, seems to reveal that preachers, pastors, and ministers are called to be a godly influence in the lives of those they come in contact with but can never really tell whether the responders are going to benefit from the light shed. "For we are to God the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing. To the one we are the aroma of death leading to death, and to the other the aroma of life leading to life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not, as so many, peddling the word of God; but as of sincerity, but as from God, we speak in the sight of God in Christ." 2 Corinthians 2:15-17 NKJV Blessings! Quote Lift Jesus up!!
LifeHiscost Posted November 13, 2009 Posted November 13, 2009 Some very good posts Likewise oG and pk. And others that rejoice in the promise____ "Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!"Psalm 133:2 NKJV Blessings! Quote Lift Jesus up!!
Woody Posted November 13, 2009 Posted November 13, 2009 Quote: Likewise oG and pk. And others that rejoice in the promise____ "Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!"Psalm 133:2 NKJV Blessings! Thank you LifeHiscost. Yes, those who are united with Him do know Him when they see Him. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Members phkrause Posted November 14, 2009 Members Posted November 14, 2009 pk Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Haldog Posted November 14, 2009 Posted November 14, 2009 EGW said something like this once "Public sins should be dealt with publicly, private ones privately." Sounds like something ellen would say, but for some of us there is a higher authority. Jesus said.... publicly....he who has no sin cast the first stone. The SDA religion has every right to dis-fellowship offending members and I think they should. Praise God that my salvation is because of what Jesus did on the cross and not because of ANYTHING that I have or ever will do. Thus, there is no boasting. It's all about Him and who He is and what He has done, and not about me. Quote "You may not agree with everyone. But if you are an honest man, when someone says something you disagree with it’ll drive you to the Word. If you find out that you were wrong and change your thinking then you are the better for it. If you go to the Word and find out that you were right then you have been strengthened. But either way always go to the Word!!” Billye Brim
Moderators Gerr Posted November 14, 2009 Moderators Posted November 14, 2009 Originally Posted By: Stan Jensen EGW said something like this once "Public sins should be dealt with publicly, private ones privately." Sounds like something ellen would say, but for some of us there is a higher authority. Jesus said.... publicly....he who has no sin cast the first stone. Huh? What kind of non sequitor is this? The same Lord also said this: If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. The Holy Bible : English standard version. 2001 (Mt 18:15-17). Wheaton: Standard Bible Society. Is that casting a stone? Quote
Haldog Posted November 14, 2009 Posted November 14, 2009 If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. 'nuff said Quote "You may not agree with everyone. But if you are an honest man, when someone says something you disagree with it’ll drive you to the Word. If you find out that you were wrong and change your thinking then you are the better for it. If you go to the Word and find out that you were right then you have been strengthened. But either way always go to the Word!!” Billye Brim
Woody Posted November 14, 2009 Posted November 14, 2009 Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. 'nuff said But some will say that ANY sin that someone commits casts or reflects badly on the church it's self ... which attempts to protray a perfect image in the community for some reason. So your individual particular sin ... "brings down the standards of the entire church" Did you realize that you had that much power? Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators Gerr Posted November 14, 2009 Moderators Posted November 14, 2009 Quote: Did you realize that you had that much power? As someone has said: No man is an island. Each one carries aura that has an influence on someone whether we realize it or not. And that is why Jesus said that we will give account for even every word we utter. Quote
Woody Posted November 14, 2009 Posted November 14, 2009 That's why I keep proclaiming that I AM A SINNER. So as not to be confused with a Saint. I don't want anyone looking to me as the standard. I am just a sinner who is saved by Grace. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators Gerr Posted November 14, 2009 Moderators Posted November 14, 2009 That's why I keep proclaiming that I AM A SINNER. So as not to be confused with a Saint. I don't want anyone looking to me as the standard. I am just a sinner who is saved by Grace. If you are a sinner saved by Grace but keep on sinning anyway, what are you saved from? Quote
Woody Posted November 14, 2009 Posted November 14, 2009 I am FORGIVEN of my sins. I am SAVED from Death. (Which is the curse of the Law that Jesus answered for me) You would seem to imply that I should be saved from sinning lol. But that for sure is not true. For I keep on sinning. Praise God He understands and forgives. I am a SINNER saved by His Grace. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators Gerr Posted November 14, 2009 Moderators Posted November 14, 2009 "She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” Mt 1:21 ESV. "And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure." 1 Jn 3:3 ESV Quote
Woody Posted November 14, 2009 Posted November 14, 2009 Yes. Good quotes Gerry. I agree with each one. We are indeed saved from the results of our sins. Praise God for His Mercy upon us sinners. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Woody Posted November 14, 2009 Posted November 14, 2009 With His Robe over us ... it is the Life of Jesus that is placed to our account. we are seen as totally pure IN HIM. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Woody Posted November 14, 2009 Posted November 14, 2009 "So long as Satan reigns, we shall have self to subdue, besetting sins to overcome; so long as life shall last, there will be no stopping place, no point which we can reach and say, I have fully attained." [AA 560] Gal 2:16 " Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. " " So there are many who hope by their own works to merit God's favor. They do not realize their helplessness. They do not accept the grace of God as a free gift, but are trying to build themselves up in self-righteousness. Their own hearts are not broken and humbled on account of sin, and they are exacting and unforgiving toward others. Their own sins against God, compared with their brother's sins against them, are as ten thousand talents to one hundred pence--nearly one million to one; yet they dare to be unforgiving." COL 245 "Many are constantly questioning, "Wherewith shall I come before the Lord, and bow myself before the high God? Shall I come before Him with burnt-offerings, with calves of a year old? Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil?" But "He hath showed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?" Micah 6:6-8. " COL 210 "So I will be your representative in heaven. The Father beholds not your faulty character, but He sees you as clothed in My perfection. " DA 357 Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators Gerr Posted November 14, 2009 Moderators Posted November 14, 2009 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God. 1 Jn 3:6-9 ESV Quote
Woody Posted November 14, 2009 Posted November 14, 2009 That's why we all need His Robe. Praise God for His forgiveness. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Woody Posted November 14, 2009 Posted November 14, 2009 " So there are many who hope by their own works to merit God's favor. They do not realize their helplessness. They do not accept the grace of God as a free gift, but are trying to build themselves up in self-righteousness. Their own hearts are not broken and humbled on account of sin, and they are exacting and unforgiving toward others. Their own sins against God, compared with their brother's sins against them, are as ten thousand talents to one hundred pence--nearly one million to one; yet they dare to be unforgiving." COL 245 Rather than pointing out sins ... we need to focus on the great message of forgiveness. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
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