Human being

[Gerr]

No, I am not changing the subject. But if I recall, someone brought up the image of God in the discussion.

[Gerr]

OK, I'm sorry I suspected your motives.

No problem. I try my best to be as transparent as possible in my communications so that what you see/read is what you get.

[LifeHiscost]

Originally Posted By: LifeHiscost

And so we don't become a human being until we're fully formed as mature adults, capable of thinking and doing. And, of course, there are always some who never do develop as mature adults, and I assume they aren't human beings. Unless, of course, the more minimal thinking and doing can also be considered a human and a being.

If you have ever worked in a nursing home or hospital you could find lots of disagreement with your interpretation here.

I thought the starry icon indicated the ludicrousness of the reasoning which seemed necessary to follow some of the previous conclusions.

It was not a revelation of my personal interpretation or conclusion.

And as a 24/7 caregiver due to incapacity determined by a pharmaceutical legally prescribed and subsequently found to be the most harmful substance known to man in destroying the synapses of the brain, I know all too well that being a human and a being does not end with the criteria for the same, set down by the intellect of fallen human beings. As I recall, one addressed as der furher (sp) made effort to categorize in that manner.

And maybe we should consider whether someone introducing an ingredient into the medical protocols as aforementioned should be classified as a humanbeing? But then that's a whole 'nother thread.

And I also spent two years working in a nursing home, of which I'm of the opinion it ought to be minimum mandatory training for every American citizen before being given a work permit in the USA.

Regards!

[Gerr]

If you look at the post to which Overaged replied to, I suspect that his remark was meant to be a sarcastic one and not what he actually believes.

BTW, what is your point about requiring everyone to work in a NH? I used to go and see patients in NH. I hated it. Ah, the smell. The smell of death or impending death. The smell of poop and the reek of urine. No matter how hard the staff worked, someone, somebody incontinent is always making a mess. The gibberish of the demented. Those totally devoid of awareness who are being kept alive & for what? A colleague of mine once remarked: "God must have a place in heaven for people who work in NH."

[doug yowell]

If you look at the post to which Overaged replied to, I suspect that his remark was meant to be a sarcastic one and not what he actually believes.

BTW, what is your point about requiring everyone to work in a NH? I used to go and see patients in NH. I hated it. Ah, the smell. The smell of death or impending death. The smell of poop and the reek of urine. No matter how hard the staff worked, someone, somebody incontinent is always making a mess. The gibberish of the demented. Those totally devoid of awareness who are being kept alive & for what? A colleague of mine once remarked: "God must have a place in heaven for people who work in NH."

That could very easily be you someday, Gerry.Got a good solution? I agree with your colleague.Imagine how God feels having to deal with us everyday!

[Overaged]

If you look at the post to which Overaged replied to, I suspect that his remark was meant to be a sarcastic one and not what he actually believes.

BTW, what is your point about requiring everyone to work in a NH? I used to go and see patients in NH. I hated it. Ah, the smell. The smell of death or impending death. The smell of poop and the reek of urine. No matter how hard the staff worked, someone, somebody incontinent is always making a mess. The gibberish of the demented. Those totally devoid of awareness who are being kept alive & for what? A colleague of mine once remarked: "God must have a place in heaven for people who work in NH."

I think people are talking about me here; but I have no idea why so I will just move on.

It's sad for me to see people talk/think like this about people in nursing homes. For amid the "smell of death," or "impending death," there is much life, and years of wisdom far beyond the years of "regular" people who are not in nursing homes. If one were to give it a try; they would be able to come out of ANY nursing home and be all the richer and wiser for the experience. In my 14 years of tending to these dear souls; I have learned more that I did from a university level theology course that I once took. No matter which person in a nursing home you could point me to; I could show you why/how they are just as much a human being as we are.

[Gerr]

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That could very easily be you someday, Gerry.Got a good solution? I agree with your colleague.Imagine how God feels having to deal with us everyday!

I have a will and have told my wife & son many times that when I no longer know Monday from Tuesday to let me go if I got sick, and spare me the indignity of wallowing in my own mess.

[doug yowell]

[it's sad for me to see people talk/think like this about people in nursing homes. For amid the "smell of death," or "impending death," there is much life, and years of wisdom far beyond the years of "regular" people who are not in nursing homes. If one were to give it a try; they would be able to come out of ANY nursing home and be all the richer and wiser for the experience. In my 14 years of tending to these dear souls; I have learned more that I did from a university level theology course that I once took. No matter which person in a nursing home you could point me to; I could show you why/how they are just as much a human being as we are.

Many amens!!

[doug yowell]

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That could very easily be you someday, Gerry.Got a good solution? I agree with your colleague.Imagine how God feels having to deal with us everyday!

I have a will and have told my wife & son many times that when I no longer know Monday from Tuesday to let me go if I got sick, and spare me the indignity of wallowing in my own mess.

It doesn't always work out that way, Gerry. I know from experience.Artificially keeping you alive is one thing,artificially ending your life is another.

[Overaged]

2 Tim 1:12

There was an old Christian woman whose age began to tell on her memory, and other functions. She had once known most of the Bible by heart; but eventually, only one, precious little bit had stayed with her: “I know Whom I have believed, and am pursuaded that He is able to keep that which I’ve committed to Him against that day.”

Atlast, she hovered on the borderline, between this world and the eternal world, and her loved ones noticed her lips moving ever-so slightly. They all bent down and listened intently to see if maybe she needed anything.

She was repeating over and over to herelf, only one word, of that one little text that she was able to remember: “Him, Him, Him…”

This woman had lost her whole Bible; but one word had caught her attention. One word inspired her with Hope. And in that one word, she understood the most significant truth of the Bible…that Jesus Christ is all, in all.” (Heb.13:8)

[LifeHiscost]

For amid the "smell of death," or "impending death," there is much life, and years of wisdom far beyond the years of "regular" people who are not in nursing homes. If one were to give it a try; they would be able to come out of ANY nursing home and be all the richer and wiser for the experience. In my 14 years of tending to these dear souls; I have learned more that I did from a university level theology course that I once took. No matter which person in a nursing home you could point me to; I could show you why/how they are just as much a human being as we are.

And that is just the point of the two years mandatory schooling in a nursing home. It teaches one to be a humanbeing. Just as we supposed humanbeings call animals dumb when we are too stupid to understand their language, so the people who do not gather the spirit of self sacrifice for others when working in a NH, prove themselves to be just that much short of being a humanbeing, made in the image of God.

As to the underlined, even "more so" instead of "just as much.

Regards!