God's Design for Man and Woman

[ClubV12]

Which just goes to show that even a genious can't figure women out.... :)

[doug yowell]

Which just goes to show that even a genious can't figure women out....

YO, Club!!!!!!!!

[doug yowell]

olger, it says your PMs are full. :-(

Does that mean no more PMS for Olger? I'll bet that'll make Mrs. Og happy.

[doug yowell]

Yeah, me 2 pk.

[doug yowell]

9) When God first created Eve, she was taller than the man.

There is no Biblical evidence to support this, but also none to deny it. Since the Amazon's were not discovered until many centuries after creation, I think a little common sense might be helpful here. No on 9. However, if Eve was indeed created taller than Adam, I would probably have to also change my answer to question #8.

[doug yowell]

10) We have reason to believe that if Adam had been the first to eat of the forbidden fruit, God would have made Eve another companion to take Adam's place.

Exactly what reasons do we have to believe that hypothetical? Anyway, the question presupposes that Adam wouldn't have shared his mangos with Eve and that Eve would have slapped him if he had accidently suggested it. The flipside of a previous question also needs a could have instead of a would have in order to get a yes vote from me.

[John317]

Originally Posted By: John317

9) When God first created Eve, she was taller than the man.

There is no Biblical evidence to support this, but also none to deny it. Since the Amazon's were not discovered until many centuries after creation, I think a little common sense might be helpful here. No on 9. However, if Eve was indeed created taller than Adam, I would probably have to also change my answer to question #8.

True.

For me, the testimony of God's prophet, Ellen White, is good enough. She says Adam was taller than Eve. PP 45: par. 3.

Significantly, as you point out, this does not contradict the Bible.

[John317]

Originally Posted By: John317

10) We have reason to believe that if Adam had been the first to eat of the forbidden fruit, God would [correction: "could"] have made Eve another companion to take Adam's place.

Exactly what reasons do we have to believe that hypothetical? Anyway, the question presupposes that Adam wouldn't have shared his mangos with Eve and that Eve would have slapped him if he had accidently suggested it. The flipside of a previous question also needs a could have instead of a would have in order to get a yes vote from me.

If Adam had been the first to eat of the fruit and had been the first to fall, I think we can be sure he would have offered it to Eve.

Ellen White wrote:

Quote:

Adam understood that his companion had transgressed the command of God, disregarded the only prohibition laid upon them as a test of their fidelity and love. There was a terrible struggle in his mind. He mourned that he had permitted Eve to wander from his side. But now the deed was done; he must be separated from her whose society had been his joy. How could he have it thus? Adam had enjoyed the companionship of God and of holy angels. He had looked upon the glory of the Creator. He understood the high destiny opened to the human race should they remain faithful to God. Yet all these blessings were lost sight of in the fear of losing that one gift which in his eyes outvalued every other. Love, gratitude, loyalty to the Creator--all were overborne by love to Eve. She was a part of himself, and he could not endure the thought of separation. He did not realize that the same Infinite Power who had from the dust of the earth created him, a living, beautiful form, and had in love given him a companion, could supply her place. He resolved to share her fate; if she must die, he would die with her. PP 56

[John317]

Originally Posted By: John317

olger, it says your PMs are full. :-(

Does that mean no more PMS for Olger? I'll bet that'll make Mrs. Og happy.

It will unless Mr. olger clears his PM box.

:-)

[olger]

Oops John.

Sweeping old dried-up messages into a pile..

[olger]

"Helicopter moderator."

Hovers over threads in hopes of controlling every word in it. Impulsively deletes large portions..

Rejoice always, me lads,

`og

[doug yowell]

]olger, it says your PMs are full. :-(

It will unless Mr. olger clears his PM box.

Ohhhhhh,OK. Og's PM box, not his PMS ing? Well, that's certainly a relief. Especially for Mrs. Og.

[doug yowell]

"Helicopter moderator."

Hovers over threads in hopes of controlling every word in it. Impulsively deletes large portions..

Rejoice always, me lads,

`og

oooooh,float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

[olger]

:)

[miz3]

Based on the assumption that Adam was at Eve's side and heard every word that passed between his beloved wife and the snake, please give us a description of what you believe was going on in Adam's mind while he stood like a dumb dog listening, watching, and thinking.

Remember that at this point, Adam was a perfect man and his brain had great reasoning powers, having just come from the Creator's hands.

Since I personally don't believe this to be true, I will nevertheless give it a shot. I believe Adam was NOT at Eve's side during the dialogue with the snake.

Just like the quote you gave in PP page fifty-six describing what Adam was thinking and feeling would be what Adam was struggling with that whole time. Before Adam gave into Eve's request to eat Adam was also still perfect. Like I said either way you look at the reasoning powers, the moral character, etc., etc. were all the same.

I am having a hard time seeing that there is any real difference between the two. What would apply to one applies to the other equally as well.

[John317]

Originally Posted By: miz3

Since I personally don't believe this to be true, I will nevertheless give it a shot. I believe Adam was NOT at Eve's side during the dialogue with the snake.[/quote']

We're in complete agreement on this. But I asked you the above question simply to find out how someone might imagine Adam's thoughts if he had been beside Eve.

I would like to ask Tom if he reads this, because he has said more than once that he believes Adam was beside Eve at the time she ate the fruit and fell into sin.

I have a very difficult time imagining Adam's thoughts as he listens and sees his beloved wife in the process of committing suicide and yet not saying a word.

It is different after she had already eaten.

What could Adam do to help save Eve after Eve had eaten of the fruit? Absolutely nothing. All he could have done was refuse to eat it, but that wouldn't have helped Eve. He knew that she was already doomed.

Can you see the difference?

[Gordon1]

John, it's unlikely Satan would have addressed Eve if the couple were together. And if he did so, one must think that Eve would have turned to Adam for direction.

Their mistake was separating, contrary to God's counsel.

Note that this is also the modern order of marriage.

[olger]

Indeed, G1.

g

[John317]

I completely agree with you.

It's a great point that if they were warned not to separate because they would be easier prey to temptation when alone, then it seems hardly likely that they would be tempted while together. That would mean that they fell into sin even though they followed God's advice to remain together.

[phkrause]

John, it's unlikely Satan would have addressed Eve if the couple were together. And if he did so, one must think that Eve would have turned to Adam for direction.

Their mistake was separating, contrary to God's counsel.

Note that this is also the modern order of marriage.

[olger]

[ClubV12]

Hmmm, that concept of being together continues to this day, as He sent them out two by two. Theres a good reason for that counsel.

[doug yowell]

John, it's unlikely Satan would have addressed Eve if the couple were together. And if he did so, one must think that Eve would have turned to Adam for direction.

Their mistake was separating, contrary to God's counsel.

Note that this is also the modern order of marriage.

Another gp,G. This takes me back to God's originally stated ideal, "and they shall become one flesh." Today's modern version seems to read,"and they shall become two equals." Yet it seems fairly obvious that both were not equally suited for the type of leadership role that was required of Adam. Am I getting ahead of the thread?

[doug yowell]

I thought there was an interestingly simple and accurate post on that other thread that allegedly employs only original thoughts on this same subject.While I found the response a little too caustic (though in the spirit of many of the other posts)it's content and Biblical reasoning was impeccable (though probably not welcomed). Check it out if you dare.

[doug yowell]

Are the following true statements or false?

Feel free to answer them any way you believe.

11) Adam was given specific instruction not to leave Eve's side.

Again there is no direct Biblical evidence to support this, but if the details in PP are accurate then it would seem that the instructions were given to both that it was Eve who should not leave Adam's side.This would be in harmony with the thrust of the previous conclusions and not contradictory to the Biblical account.No on 11.