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[miz3]

Nobody doubts that Sunday Worship can be dated all the way back to Nimrod. But you miss the point. The Papacy is the first power to "transfer the religious sanctity from Saturday to Sunday" via official, legal, declaration. Big difference there brother. Christians worshiping on Sunday began as early as in the 2nd century A.D., which precisely aligns with Paul's prediction of the "falling away", or "apostasia" that commenced in his day.

In case you forgot, I have already documented in chronological order on this forum the various forms of how Sunday found its way into Christian worship. You would be surprised to find that Sunday in the Christian church finds its origin in the persecution of the Jews and all Judaizing practices by the Emperor Hadrian in 135 A.D., who forbade all Jews and all Jewish sympathizers to worship on the Sabbath. Therefore, those Christians who were worshiping on the Sabbath found themselves in great peril, and so many of them began to worship on Sunday in order to impress the Roman authorities and show their differences with the Jews.

So much of Sunday worship originates from compromise with the Romans, and then, in order to justify this, these compromising Christians made up the idea that they worshiped on Sunday in honor of the resurrection. But this was not the REAL reason. This was only a false "justification" that they came up with.

But even then, there was no official decree or sanction by the Bishop of Rome that the sanctity from Saturday had changed to Sunday. This was not done until Pope Sylvester I in the 4th century A.D.

So when Ellen White said that the Pope changed the day from Saturday to Sunday, I know it ain't so comfortable for you to hear mister, but I've got news. I've got gigantic news! She was spot on! Like it, or not!

Thank you that someone admits that Sunday Worship dates all the way back to Nimrod. Now we agree on this point which is a crucial point because it establishes that out of the Christian Church which kept Saturday Sabbath as the sacred day of worship to God came the Pagan Church which CHANGED THE DAY FROM SATURDAY TO SUNDAY in order to honor the 'sun' rather than honor God.

Thus, we have the Pagan Church established in human history. This Pagan Church grew and almost swallowed up the whole world just like before the flood. God had promised NOT to send another flood so to preserve the Christian Church and keep it from dieing out completely God called Abraham out to separate him and his family from the Pagan Church dominance.

Thus, the change of Worship day was changed by the Pagan Church long before the RCC/Pope. This change stuck and has continued to stick until this very day. In fact since the Old Testament times the MAJORITY OF HUMANS have paid homage to this Pagan Church Sunday Worship.

Therefore the Ancient Pagan Church is the FIRST POWER to transfer the sanctity from Saturday to Sunday, not the RCC/Pope.

The RCC/Pope merely JOINED the Pagan Church, the Pagan Church which even at that time was the Majority of Human Kind by a far and away population number. The RCC/Pope merely joined the Pagan Church which in the previous millenia had already "CHANGED THE DAY OF WORSHIP FROM SATURDAY SABBATH TO SUNDAY WORSHIP.

Thus, the RCC/Pope did nothing new since they joined what was already the Majority of Humans Church. So despite RCC claims they DID NOT CHANGE the day of worship because the day of worship had already been changed and enforced in the long ago per the days of Nimrod.

The RCC/Pope are just copycats and pikers.

SDA are at their roots a Western Civilization Reformation Body. SDA rightly align themselves with the Western Civilization historical "Reformation" and thus with people like Luther, Tyndale, Calvin (except for his predestination theology), Zwingli, Wycliffe, etc.

Like these Reformation giants the SDA Church is locked in tunnel vision in regard to the RCC. This "tunnel vision disease" causes SDA to forget the real roots of when and how the Sabbath was changed from Saturday the seventh day of the week to Sunday the first day of the week.

Maybe the Reformation could be given some slack because of their immediate oppression however, SDA should know better because in our current day (1844-present) SDA are not under that kind of "tunnel pressure".

You are correct Lysimachus in that it is impossible for the SDA Church as a ".org" to change its position having committed itself for too long in the erroneous Reformation theology of antiRCC/Pope. In addition the SDA Church .org would have to reject Ellen White and her antiRCC/Pope radicalism which makes even some of the Reformers look mild in comparison.

However, it is not too late for individual persons to see the Truth about who and what actually changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday and that was the Pagan Church in the long ago millenia before the RCC/Pope.

The dangers that face the Christian Church today make the RCC/Pope days of dominance (in only a small part of the world, western/southern Europe) pail into insignificance. The RCC/Pope are only minor players in this danger. The greater Pagan Church (of which the RCC/Pope is only a small part) in the World today poses many more dangers.

The SDA Church is indeed asleep to these dangers. In fact I would say the SDA is not even remotely cognizant of the dangers that exist right here in the USA let alone those are brewing outside our wonderful Country.

[Lysimachus]

Thank you that someone admits that Sunday Worship dates all the way back to Nimrod.

[John317]

...Your stuck because the RCC/Pope is shown to be mere copycats and bit players because the apostasy that changed Saturday Sabbath Worship to the false Sunday Worship actually happened millenia before the RCC/Pope were even a gleam in anyone's eye.

Were people worshipping the sun before 321 AD? Yes, of course.

But was the Christian church worshipping on Sunday and had the church adopted Sunday worship before the bishop of Rome came on the world scene? Absolutely not. And that is the point.

The Bible shows that the bishop of Rome was instrumental in paganism entering the Christian Church. It shows the pope and the Catholic Church as the power which persecuted the people of God during the Middle Ages.

Originally Posted By: miz3

This FACT supported by the Bible, your Prophet Ellen G. White, and the FACTS of secular history actually destroys your failed theory.

What the Bible, Ellen White, and history show is that there were false doctrines and false worship before the time of Christ. There is no doubt of this, and no one is arguing otherwise.

However, that is beside the point.

The fact is that Sunday was adopted as the day of worship by the Christian Church because of the direct influence of the papacy. History verifies that Sunday worship was encouraged by the churches at Rome and Alexandria. The church at Rome made rules which called for people keeping the Sabbath to be punished. By the fifth century AD, the churches throughout the world were worshipping on the Sabbath and Sunday, except at Rome and Alexandria. In those places, the churches were not keeping the Sabbath but were keeping Sunday. Sunday was viewed in those churches as a festival, whereas the Sabbath became a day of fasting. See the writings of the church historians, Sozoman and Socrates.

[miz3]

...Your stuck because the RCC/Pope is shown to be mere copycats and bit players because the apostasy that changed Saturday Sabbath Worship to the false Sunday Worship actually happened millenia before the RCC/Pope were even a gleam in anyone's eye.

[jasd]

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If you still think that the present-day Jewish/Hebrew calendar is more than a facsimile of the OT calendar... well, rotsa ruck.

>>The U.S. Naval Observatory isn't dependent on the Jewish calender for their understanding of time. If you write to them, they will tell you that no time has been "lost." Our Sabbath is the same as the Sabbath in Jesus' day.<<

No one argues that “time” has been “lost”. The argument is that the OT calendar has been lost – because Gd said that He would cause their ‘reckoning’ of its parts to cease and to be forgotten.

Either Gd is a liar or those who attempt to wrangle their way around His explicit words are misleading themselves.

The OT Seventh-day Sabbaths were not irreducibly seven-day cycles. They were Seventh-day Sabbaths hinged upon the ‘set date’ Feasts of Leviticus 23, to the barley harvests, the sighting of the new moon, etc... an irreproducible formula. The priests set forth the days that would consist the calendar. When the priests could no longer recall the formulae – the calendar was lost.

Writ is not imperative re an independent seven-day cycle – it is imperative in its observation relative to the Feasts. The Feasts are the pillars whereby the Seventh-day Sabbaths were determined.

The Sabbatarian who follows the present Jewish/Hebrew calendar follows a proclaimed facsimile. Let there be no misguided hubrism re that fact – as just the incorporated ‘postponements’ of it bear witness against the observer of days.

There is no suggestion that the .Org errs in following the present Jewish/Hebrew calendar. What is suggested is that the .Org errs in upbraiding anyone else not of a similar mind...

"judging anothe man's servant", as it were.

[jasd]

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Yes, right. I think it's a waste of time to talk to those who have already heard the truth and have determined to reject it.

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Is that self-serving and hubristic? Dunno, wha’s that?

>>Did Jesus tell his disciples to keep up endlessly arguing or debating with people about the truth? No. He said if they don't accept the gospel, go on to other people who will listen.<<

No one is asking that you engage in something you’d rather not. I tire with the obstinacy of the ‘true believer’ also; however, the question obtains, is there someone reading my proffers who benefits?

I believe so, so I keep posting.

>>There are many people on this Forum who have heard the truth preached and have read books containing the truth for many years, yet they continue to reject it.<<

Here – is where you err. You assume that what you’ve read in books is “the truth” – unavailable or corrupted elsewhere.

I reject much of what is posted here as ‘truths’, because facts bear them out as mere imaginings – such as some of what I post.

>>Once people make up their mind to reject it, there's really no sense in going over the same ground again and again.<<

Were one to go over “the same ground over and over again” – he or she is not growing in the ‘truth’, and error lies with him or her.

>>There comes a time when we need to move on to others who have never heard it.<<

If one feels led in that direction, then he or she must move in that direction.

>>I'm not saying I don't enjoy exchanging ideas with you. It is interesting and even enjoyable. But let's admit that it is not the best way to get the gospel out into the world where people haven't heard it yet. And there are many millions of them. That's my main concern.<<

One may go out into the world parroting and proselytizing what the .Org deems ‘truths’ – or one may do as the Bereans did; that is, rehash an understanding of Writ. I prefer that – rather than having to

honestly qualify my proffers in the world, “Well, it may or may not be, but according to my .Org – here is the way we see it...”

This forum is the atelier of the student of Writ.

>>One of the reasons I'm here on the Forum is that I can't walk very much because of problems with my feet. I wish I could. They are getting better, and I beleive I'll be able to walk pretty good in a few months.<<

I can appreciate your problems, as my wife has insufferable foot problems – and sometimes simply has to just sit and cry for the pain. Myself, it’s the ticker – terribly syncopated and impossible to dance to. “C’mon, c’mon, c’mon... (pounding on the chest) C’MON damn—it!...move your bleedin’ arse!”

>>When I do, I hope and pray to be able to visit people in my neighborhood, give out free literature and get to know them. I really look forward to doing that.<<

Yeah, I hear you – ‘bout that literature/pamphlet thing. I plan on printing a multi-fold page to leave here and there – where and whenever I’m about. “America is Prophetic Jerusalem!” [/smile] ...like anyone really gives a flying fundament... But there it is. “c’mon, c’mon, c’mon...” soto voce.

[Guest]

Things I say always seem to go right over your head Miz3. We can say things to you, but you always digest them differently, and I might add, carnally.

You don't digest the spiritual implications of what we say, so therefore you say foolish things revealing your lack of understanding.

Truer words have never been spoken Marcos.

[phkrause]

The U.S. Naval Observatory isn't dependent on the Jewish calender for their understanding of time. If you write to them, they will tell you that no time has been "lost." Our Sabbath is the same as the Sabbath in Jesus' day.

And we have the Jews also. They are our greatest evidence of the Sabbath day. They've kept the same day for centuries.

[John317]

I agree, pk. I would have mentioned that-- and in fact, have mentioned that-- except that jasd is claiming that God made the Jews forget which day of the week it was. There's no evidence for this, of course. God has never worked that way. God doesn't manipulate the minds and memories of a whole people that way, and the verses which are used to support the idea are talking about the Babylonian exile.

[phkrause]

I agree, pk. I would have mentioned that-- and in fact, have mentioned that-- except that jasd is claiming that God made the Jews forget which day of the week it was. There's no evidence for this, of course. God has never worked that way. God doesn't manipulate the minds and memories of a whole people that way, and the verses which are used to support the idea are talking about the Babylonian exile.

You could say that this is one instance where being legalistic comes in very handy. LOL

[miz3]

Originally Posted By: Lysimachus

Things I say always seem to go right over your head Miz3. We can say things to you, but you always digest them differently, and I might add, carnally.

You don't digest the spiritual implications of what we say, so therefore you say foolish things revealing your lack of understanding.

Truer words have never been spoken Marcos.

Did God make you my spiritual judge?

[John317]

.... the Bible does tell us that after the Flood the Christian Church apostatized and adopted Sunday rather then Saturday as the day of Worship. The Bible also tells us that God called Abraham in order to save the Christian Church from being totally wiped out.

There was no Christian church after the Flood, and Abraham wasn't called in order to save the Christian Church.

There were true worshippers of God after the Flood and Abraham was called in order to make it possible for God to found and build His church, but the Christain church as such didn't exist at the time of Abraham.

Matthew 16:18

And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

NOTE: Jesus did not say, "I have built my church," but "I will build..." That indicates a future building, not one built in the past.

Originally Posted By: miz3

You admit that people worshiped the "sun" during the early OT. Just how do you think that came about when Noah and his family as the Christian Church and worshiping on Saturday Sabbath were the only ones existent after the Flood? We do know that it was not the RCC/Pope.

Yes, people certainly did worship the sun during OT times.

As I've shown above, the Christian church-- that is, the church of Christ-- did not exist until after Christ's first coming. Jesus said, "I WILL build my church..."

The point Bible prophecy makes is that the little-horn power was the one which brought sun-worship and other false doctrines into the Christian church. This is the power that threw truth to the ground and cast Christ's sanctuary to the ground. See Daniel 8: 10, 11.

Notice that this power was not the Devil himself but a power which the Devil worked through.

Originally Posted By: miz3

So tell me how did the day of Worship change from Saturday to Sunday between Noah and Abraham when the only directly after the Flood was Christian Sabbatarian Church of Noah and his family?

The day of worship didn't change from Saturday to Sunday between Noah and Abraham, and there was no "Christian Sabbatarian Church" in Noah's time. (See comments above.)

There were pagans who worshipped the sun, but that is different from what the prophecies in Daniel 7 and 8 and Rev. 13 are talking about.

Those prophecies were pointing to a power who would attempt to change God's law AFTER the time of Christ, not before.It would succeed in getting most people claiming to be Christ's followers to adopt false forms of worship.

Notice that Daniel's prophecies regarding the little-horn power and the intended change of God's law are looking into the future, not pointing back in time.

[John317]

Things I say always seem to go right over your head Miz3. We can say things to you, but you always digest them differently, and I might add, carnally.

You don't digest the spiritual implications of what we say, so therefore you say foolish things revealing your lack of understanding.

Originally Posted By: RLH

Truer words have never been spoken Marcos.

Originally Posted By: miz3

Did God make you my spiritual judge?

I don't believe RLH or Lysimachus are judging you spiritually, miz3. It seems to me they are talking about what you say in your posts, not about your salvation or about how God sees you. It would be wrong of anyone to make a statement about that. We're simply talking about your comments on the topic.

[miz3]

Originally Posted By: Lysimachus

Things I say always seem to go right over your head Miz3. We can say things to you, but you always digest them differently, and I might add, carnally.

You don't digest the spiritual implications of what we say, so therefore you say foolish things revealing your lack of understanding.

Originally Posted By: RLH

Truer words have never been spoken Marcos.

Originally Posted By: miz3

Did God make you my spiritual judge?

I don't believe RLH or Lysimachus are judging you spiritually, miz3. It seems to me they are talking about what you say in your posts, not about your salvation or about how God sees you. It would be wrong of anyone to make a statement about that. We're simply talking about your comments on the topic.

A "noble? defense of their words.

[miz3]

Originally Posted By: miz3

.... the Bible does tell us that after the Flood the Christian Church apostatized and adopted Sunday rather then Saturday as the day of Worship. The Bible also tells us that God called Abraham in order to save the Christian Church from being totally wiped out.

There was no Christian church after the Flood, and Abraham wasn't called in order to save the Christian Church.

There were true worshippers of God after the Flood and Abraham was called in order to make it possible for God to found and build His church, but the Christain church as such didn't exist at the time of Abraham.

Matthew 16:18

And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

NOTE: Jesus did not say, "I have built my church," but "I will build..." That indicates a future building, not one built in the past.

Originally Posted By: miz3

You admit that people worshiped the "sun" during the early OT. Just how do you think that came about when Noah and his family as the Christian Church and worshiping on Saturday Sabbath were the only ones existent after the Flood? We do know that it was not the RCC/Pope.

Yes, people certainly did worship the sun during OT times.

As I've shown above, the Christian church-- that is, the church of Christ-- did not exist until after Christ's first coming. Jesus said, "I WILL build my church..."

The point Bible prophecy makes is that the little-horn power was the one which brought sun-worship and other false doctrines into the Christian church. This is the power that threw truth to the ground and cast Christ's sanctuary to the ground. See Daniel 8: 10, 11.

Notice that this power was not the Devil himself but a power which the Devil worked through.

Originally Posted By: miz3

So tell me how did the day of Worship change from Saturday to Sunday between Noah and Abraham when the only directly after the Flood was Christian Sabbatarian Church of Noah and his family?

The day of worship didn't change from Saturday to Sunday between Noah and Abraham, and there was no "Christian Sabbatarian Church" in Noah's time. (See comments above.)

There were pagans who worshipped the sun, but that is different from what the prophecies in Daniel 7 and 8 and Rev. 13 are talking about.

Those prophecies were pointing to a power who would attempt to change God's law AFTER the time of Christ, not before.It would succeed in getting most people claiming to be Christ's followers to adopt false forms of worship.

Notice that Daniel's prophecies regarding the little-horn power and the intended change of God's law are looking into the future, not pointing back in time.

[miz3]

The day of worship didn't change from Saturday to Sunday between Noah and Abraham, and there was no "Christian Sabbatarian Church" in Noah's time.

Are you saying that Noah was not a Sabbatarian?

Are you saying that Scripture is wrong when it asserts that when two or three are gathered together that it is not legitimate?

If Noah and his family were Sabbatarians then the day must have been changed by the "sun worshipers". There are no other possibilities unless you answer the question about Noah keeping the Sabbath as being that "Noah didn't keep the Sabbath"?

Your own Prophet says that God has had His Church in "all ages" that includes the time between Noah and Abraham. It was also during that time that the sun worshipers CHANGED SATURDAY WORSHIP TO SUNDAY WORSHIP.

[Lysimachus]

Originally Posted By: John317

The day of worship didn't change from Saturday to Sunday between Noah and Abraham, and there was no "Christian Sabbatarian Church" in Noah's time.

Are you saying that Noah was not a Sabbatarian?

Are you saying that Scripture is wrong when it asserts that when two or three are gathered together that it is not legitimate?

If Noah and his family were Sabbatarians then the day must have been changed by the "sun worshipers". There are no other possibilities unless you answer the question about Noah keeping the Sabbath as being that "Noah didn't keep the Sabbath"?

Your own Prophet says that God has had His Church in "all ages" that includes the time between Noah and Abraham. It was also during that time that the sun worshipers CHANGED SATURDAY WORSHIP TO SUNDAY WORSHIP.

The day was not changed by the sun worshipers because they were pagans, not those who worship Jehovah. They were worshiping the sun on their own merits, completely exclusive from worshipers of Jehovah. They changed nothing.

The Papacy, however, is baptized paganism, by which it took on the Christian name and adopted the day of the sun into Christian worship.

Therefore, it is the Papacy that changed the Christian day (not pagan day) from Saturday to a Pagan day.

Is this so difficult to comprehend?

[ClubV12]

...beats head against wall because it feels so good when you stop...

[Guest]

[miz3]

Originally Posted By: John317

The day of worship didn't change from Saturday to Sunday between Noah and Abraham, and there was no "Christian Sabbatarian Church" in Noah's time.

Are you saying that Noah was not a Sabbatarian?

Are you saying that Scripture is wrong when it asserts that when two or three are gathered together that it is not legitimate?

If Noah and his family were Sabbatarians then the day must have been changed by the "sun worshipers". There are no other possibilities unless you answer the question about Noah keeping the Sabbath as being that "Noah didn't keep the Sabbath"?

Your own Prophet says that God has had His Church in "all ages" that includes the time between Noah and Abraham. It was also during that time that the sun worshipers CHANGED SATURDAY WORSHIP TO SUNDAY WORSHIP.

[Guest]

Is this so difficult to comprehend?

Evidently it is...

[Guest]

Sure you can say that somebody broke away from Sabbath keeping after the flood. Obviously they did. But it was many many generations down the road before it ever became a factor. Long long distant decendants of the Ark riders. So that the "pagans" were born into paganism and never knew anything about Sabbath keeping and had never experienced it. So they were not apostasizing from the Christian church as you say. To say that is the case, but then having to go all the way back to the flood is rather ludicrous.

[miz3]

Sure you can say that somebody broke away from Sabbath keeping after the flood. Obviously they did. But it was many many generations down the road before it ever became a factor. Long long distant decendants of the Ark riders. So that the "pagans" were born into paganism and never knew anything about Sabbath keeping and had never experienced it. So they were not apostasizing from the Christian church as you say. To say that is the case, but then having to go all the way back to the flood is rather ludicrous.

Finally after it took "forever" to get people to admit that I am correct in what I say you admit that there was a change from Sabbath Saturday worship to Sunday worship. Then you say that such a FACT is obvious----and I concur.

My question is this: Why did it take soooo long for you to admit it if indeed such a FACT is so obvious? Such behavior tells you (whoever resists this FACT) that such ones actually do know and recognize the Truth of what I have been saying but are stubbornly refusing to admit it. What are you afraid of? Are you afraid that if you admit to the Truth that somehow your "prophetic sacred cows" will come crashing down?

Secondly, you are not correct in regard to its "significance.

I find it most highly significant while you believe its significance is almost zero.

It is significant because eventually by the time of Abraham the whole world was CHANGED FROM SABBATARIANISM TO SUNDAYISM. That means many many Christian Sabbatarians had to apostatize. Thus, Christian Sabbatarians went from being the majority on the earth to being almost completely wiped by the time of Abraham.

Up until Abraham there were always two groups who knew each other well. Those two groups were the Sabbatarians and the Sunday Worshipers. At first the Sabbatarians were the majority but eventually the apostatized ones (the sun worshipers or Sunday worshipers who changed the day away from Saturday to Sunday) became the majority.

As your Prophet Ellen White points out there have always been two types of people on the earth since the Fall. Those who obey God's Law (including being Sabbatarians----the Sabbath keepers have never ever been zero) and those who are not keepers of God's Law (including Sunday Worshipers).

Paul in Romans chapter one says that the Law has always been known to all humans. Is the Sabbath part of God's Law? Then the Sabbath is part of that "known" knowledge.

The FACT is the period between Noah and Abraham is extremely significant in regard to the change from the Saturday Sabbath to the Sunday Worship. This change has affected the whole world and indeed almost caused (but for Abraham) the Sabbath to be wiped out completely. This change is also significant because the whole world almost to a person committed what you SDA call the "mark of the beast" (whether this is the mark of the beast or not is not a settled issue). This change is also significant because it caused the destruction of many tens of millions upon tens of millions of lives locked in the darkness of heathenism. Look at the history of world cultures and their pagan practices and the consequences of those pagan practices. These pagan practices which started from the apostasy of the change almost immediately after the flood by the change of Saturday Sabbath to Sunday Worship have caused many more tens of millions of deaths than any of the RCC/Pope deaths that occurred.

Like I said the RCC/Pope are small fry in comparison to the horrors brought on the earth by those who changed the Saturday Sabbath to Sunday Worship just after the Flood and between Noah and Abraham.

You really need to study true history more instead of the ".org SDA narrow view of history".

In recent times the results of this pagan change back between Noah and Abraham which doomed many humans to the horrors of pagan practice in Eastern Europe to the Far East (let alone what happened in Africa, the Western Hemisphere, etc. with at minimum tens of millions dieing needlessly because of this singular change from one day to the next (during Noah to Abraham).

If had not been for the pagan change of Saturday Worship to Sunday Worship in the days between Noah and Abraham the millions of lives (both black and white) would not have been destroyed by the Institution of Slavery in the United States. Even today we suffer from this vile form. It did not come because of the RCC/Pope junk but it did come because of the change from Saturday Sabbath to Sunday Worship back between Noah and Abraham.

These are devastating FACTS both in terms of your argument and in terms of what transpired in the History of the World.

Don't tell me the RCC/Pope did more because that is just FACTUALLY incorrect. Like I said in recent times Stalin and Mao killed more than the RCC/Pope themselves let alone the misery and slavery of countless others.

The RCC/Pope is not even close.

[Lysimachus]

Originally Posted By: Lysimachus

Is this so difficult to comprehend?

Evidently it is...

Tell it like it is. He just can't get it. He continues to ramble on and on, hoping, that somehow, he will pacify himself in not having to accept clear and sound logic. He ends up repeating himself over and over again like a broken record.

We do feel sorry for him. Not in a condescending way, but only in the sense that we truly are concerned for him.

[Guest]

Finally after it took "forever" to get people to admit that I am correct in what I say you admit that there was a change from Sabbath Saturday worship to Sunday worship. Then you say that such a FACT is obvious----and I concur.

That change came by way of the Catholic Church. The people in Noah's day didn't try to change the Sabbath, some of them just departed from it, and went a different way. Which eventually led to paganism.