The Two Great Issues of the Last Days.

[jamesonofthunder]

When I post the dreams and visions our Heavenly Father has blessed me with, can you imagine how many differing theories I receive in response, that all claim that they know I am wrong in my visions because it doesn't fit with their idea of what will happen in the last days. They make all these assumptions completely disregarding and arguing against the Spirit of Prophecy.

Would everyone here like to know what is REALLY going to happen in the last days? Then you will see the truth about what the last great issues truly are and God really did show me what is going to happen soon.

"Through the two great errors, the immortality of the soul and Sunday sacredness, Satan will bring the people under his deceptions. While the former lays the foundation of spiritualism, the latter creates a bond of sympathy with Rome."—The Great Controversy, 588 (1911). {LDE 157.2}

How 'last day' is this?

"The saints must get a thorough understanding of present truth, which they will be obliged to maintain from the Scriptures. They must understand the state of the dead, for the spirits of devils will yet appear to them, professing to be beloved friends and relatives, who will declare to them that the Sabbath has been changed, also other unscriptural doctrines."—Early Writings, 87 (1854). {LDE 156.3}

"The apostles, as personated by these lying spirits, are made to contradict what they wrote at the dictation of the Holy Spirit when on earth. They deny the divine origin of the Bible."—The Great Controversy, 557 (1911). {LDE 157.1}

'But the people of God will not be misled. The teachings of this false christ are not in accordance with the Scriptures. His blessing is pronounced upon the worshipers of the beast and his image, the very class upon whom the Bible declares that God’s unmingled wrath shall be poured out.'—The Great Controversy, 624, 625 (1911). {LDE 157.4}

This is the last great conflict before Jesus comes that will unite the world in error.

"Those who would stand in the time of peril must understand the testimony of the Scriptures concerning the nature of man and the state of the dead, for in the near future many will be confronted by the spirits of devils personating beloved relatives or friends and declaring the most dangerous heresies. These visitants will appeal to our tenderest sympathies and will work miracles to sustain their pretensions. We must be prepared to withstand them with the Bible truth that the dead know not anything, and that they who thus appear are the spirits of devils." {SR 398.1}

"Satan has long been preparing for his final effort to deceive the world. The foundation of his work was laid by the assurance given to Eve in Eden: “Ye shall not surely die.” “In the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.” Genesis 3:4, 5. Little by little he has prepared the way for his masterpiece of deception in the development of spiritualism. He has not yet reached the full accomplishment of his designs; but it will be reached in the last remnant of time. Says the prophet: “I saw three unclean spirits like frogs; ... they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.” Revelation 16:13, 14. Except those who are kept by the power of God, through faith in His word, the whole world will be swept into the ranks of this delusion. The people are fast being lulled to a fatal security, to be awakened only by the outpouring of the wrath of God." {DD 23.3}

"Saith the Lord God: “Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.” Isaiah 28:17, 18. {DD 23.4}

Why does our church not teach this? It is forgotten that our last day prophet foretold what the last great event would be about, but our church is filled with so much theory about what will happen in the end they forget what is written.

The major event that will trouble the world in the last days, is the revealing of Satan as an angel of light coming as the eighth King of Rev 17, then immediately afterwards in Rev 18 is the "angel that cries with a mighty voice'. The loud cry of Rev 18 begins by proclaiming that Babylon has become "Inhabited by demons".

When this pope, Benedict 16, who is the seventh since the healing of the head wound dies, then Satan will come looking like the sixth king, the dead seemingly coming to life, and remember where you read this, then you will see the fulfillment. Seventh Day Adventists have been prepared for this message because we have been taught the true state of the dead.

"The Lord has given men time to discover the snare"

Peace in Jesus name amen.

[John317]

When I post the dreams and visions our Heavenly Father has blessed me with, can you imagine how many differing theories I receive in response,

...When this pope, Benedict 16, who is the seventh since the healing of the head wound dies, then Satan will come looking like the sixth king, the dead seemingly coming to life, and remember where you read this, then you will see the fulfillment. Seventh Day Adventists have been prepared for this message because we have been taught the true state of the dead.

Is this what God has shown you in vision? Or did you arrive at this idea by other ways?

[Gibs]

Jamesonofthunder,

You will be derided for anything that seems out of the "box" to different ones here. I haven't been here long and see SDA's with all kinds of views.

My advice, Don't be afraid of their faces or their words on a computer screen. Sticks and stones will bruise bones but them words, develop a ducks back for em. They "ain't" wet and don't soak in, just go on.

Yes I hold a different view from what you expound and to start with, the popes are only the heads of the Catholic Church. You see the present "image" beast also has 6 other heads and 10 horns. Now in this chapter Rev 13: I'm referring to the crowns, kingly power, have changed to the horns of the beast. Here is where Satan has placed "his power, and his seat, and great authority." That is part of Rev 13:2.

I find Satan was pretty much done with his whore church after the deadly wound in 1798 and began to raise up his "new world order system". The old was when, Re 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. Satan then directly puppeted his works through the heads, crowned, king power.

EGW also saw it is Satan who comes up out of the earth in Rev. 13:11, because you cannot break the context referring to the beast introduced in verse 11. Try it and first read her comment that I paste, note the verses quoted!,

"In Revelation we read concerning Satan: "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name" (Revelation 13:13-17). . . . {3SM 393.1}

Why the difference? Because Jones and EGW didn't see it all as U. Smith did, nor do I. Jones was put down too much is my belief.

EGW worked hard to keep down discension and did not want to be one to really stir it up but it can be seen she saw different here on that above. I would say it is the reason she didn't quote verses Rev 13:11-18, that would have been too obvious. Just read 11-18, the context holds together and don't allow any break.

That scroll is fully unrolled and easily discerned now if the mind gets on the right track.

All should be blessed by His Prophecy to us.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Dr. Rich]

When I post the dreams and visions our Heavenly Father has blessed me with, can you imagine how many differing theories I receive in response, that all claim that they know I am wrong in my visions because it doesn't fit with their idea of what will happen in the last days. They make all these assumptions completely disregarding and arguing against the Spirit of Prophecy.

Would everyone here like to know what is REALLY going to happen in the last days? Then you will see the truth about what the last great issues truly are and God really did show me what is going to happen soon.

"Through the two great errors, the immortality of the soul and Sunday sacredness, Satan will bring the people under his deceptions. While the former lays the foundation of spiritualism, the latter creates a bond of sympathy with Rome."—The Great Controversy, 588 (1911). {LDE 157.2}

How 'last day' is this?

"The saints must get a thorough understanding of present truth, which they will be obliged to maintain from the Scriptures. They must understand the state of the dead, for the spirits of devils will yet appear to them, professing to be beloved friends and relatives, who will declare to them that the Sabbath has been changed, also other unscriptural doctrines."—Early Writings, 87 (1854). {LDE 156.3}

"The apostles, as personated by these lying spirits, are made to contradict what they wrote at the dictation of the Holy Spirit when on earth. They deny the divine origin of the Bible."—The Great Controversy, 557 (1911). {LDE 157.1}

'But the people of God will not be misled. The teachings of this false christ are not in accordance with the Scriptures. His blessing is pronounced upon the worshipers of the beast and his image, the very class upon whom the Bible declares that God’s unmingled wrath shall be poured out.'—The Great Controversy, 624, 625 (1911). {LDE 157.4}

This is the last great conflict before Jesus comes that will unite the world in error.

"Those who would stand in the time of peril must understand the testimony of the Scriptures concerning the nature of man and the state of the dead, for in the near future many will be confronted by the spirits of devils personating beloved relatives or friends and declaring the most dangerous heresies. These visitants will appeal to our tenderest sympathies and will work miracles to sustain their pretensions. We must be prepared to withstand them with the Bible truth that the dead know not anything, and that they who thus appear are the spirits of devils." {SR 398.1}

"Satan has long been preparing for his final effort to deceive the world. The foundation of his work was laid by the assurance given to Eve in Eden: “Ye shall not surely die.” “In the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.” Genesis 3:4, 5. Little by little he has prepared the way for his masterpiece of deception in the development of spiritualism. He has not yet reached the full accomplishment of his designs; but it will be reached in the last remnant of time. Says the prophet: “I saw three unclean spirits like frogs; ... they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.” Revelation 16:13, 14. Except those who are kept by the power of God, through faith in His word, the whole world will be swept into the ranks of this delusion. The people are fast being lulled to a fatal security, to be awakened only by the outpouring of the wrath of God." {DD 23.3}

"Saith the Lord God: “Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.” Isaiah 28:17, 18. {DD 23.4}

Why does our church not teach this? It is forgotten that our last day prophet foretold what the last great event would be about, but our church is filled with so much theory about what will happen in the end they forget what is written.

The major event that will trouble the world in the last days, is the revealing of Satan as an angel of light coming as the eighth King of Rev 17, then immediately afterwards in Rev 18 is the "angel that cries with a mighty voice'. The loud cry of Rev 18 begins by proclaiming that Babylon has become "Inhabited by demons".

When this pope, Benedict 16, who is the seventh since the healing of the head wound dies, then Satan will come looking like the sixth king, the dead seemingly coming to life, and remember where you read this, then you will see the fulfillment. Seventh Day Adventists have been prepared for this message because we have been taught the true state of the dead.

"The Lord has given men time to discover the snare"

Peace in Jesus name amen.

Problem is, that God does not tell one person one thing and another person another. God does not change and His plan for restoration has not changed. There was no change from the OT and from the words of Jesus as He verified. Therefore, when one such as you states that God spoke them and we see that what you heard conflicts with the words of Jesus, pray tell just what are we to think about you? We have been warned to test every spirit and to do this IF what you hear does not agree with the words of Jesus, then it is not the right spirit.

It's too bad Constitine didn't use this test when he placed letters and words from people who's words didn't agree with what Jesus said because now the whole world of Christians are also believing these same lies.

Here is a real tests for you sonofthunder, can you correctly tell me and show me the difference between a wheat and tare? If you can't then the voice you hear is evil.

[ClubV12]

"Why does our church not teach this?"

James, what specifically are you saying the church does not teach?

I have been taught and it has been discussed many times over these last day events. The importance of understanding the state of the dead in relationship to those events. Daniel and Revelation are continually key topics. What part do you think the members are missing out on?

Gib's, if one rose from the dead, and they will seemingly, and was teaching that which was "out of the box", would encourage them to carry on? Because, you know, they can expect that to happen because it's happened to you? Being opposed for your views in NO WAY is an indicator you have some "new light" or "great truth". Such a proclamtion may in fact be "out of the box", out of reason, entirely wrong or a mixture of truth and error.

I don't care WHO you are or WHAT you preach, I'm not going to swallow it hook, line and sinker just because you claim your being "persecuted". There may be a good reason your being persecuted. Would you encourage Jim Jones to preach his suicide message because he was thinking "out of the box"?

I'd be more careful with whom I readily agree with and/or encourage if I were you before studying the issues.

[skyblue888]

James, I don't see how anyone would have any problem with the first part of your post quoting the SoP. The problem is with the second part, your private interpretation of the seven heads of Rev.17.

Verse 11 of Rev.17 speaks of "the beast that was and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition." In verse 8 it speaks of "the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."

Obviously both these verses are speaking of the papacy which was before 1798, is not after 1798 because of the deadly wound, and is again when the wound shall be healed at the time when the 10 horns (churches) shall receive a kingdom, that is, when they shall wield the power of the state to enforce Sunday worship, the child of the papacy. Then the papacy will again rule the earth and she will be the eighth.

You suggest that Satan in person is the eighth king. How would we explain that Satan was, is not, is of the seven, and yet is again?

The seven heads are seven kings (kingdoms) and the five that have fallen, taking 1798 as the point of reference given in verse 3, are Papal Rome, Pagan Rome, Greece, Medo-Persia, Babylon. The one that is after 1798 is Atheistic France and the one yet to come after that is Apostate Protestantism when it shall receive power from the State. Mrs. White clearly says that the ten horns are churches who have received no kingdom as yet but shall reveive power when church and state shall unite to enforce Sunday. And they will give their power to the beast, to the papacy, the eighth.

Then moments prior to the close of probation Satan will appear to impersonate Christ and will declare that He Himself has changed the Sabbath from saturday to sunday to deceive many and with the hope that true Sabbath keepers will change sides.

sky

[phkrause]

Excellent points Sky

[Gibs]

ClubV12,

I had made it clear in my post to JSOThunder, that I do not agree with him. but I also made it clear he has his right to post what he sees and not be run off because the "gang" goes against him.

Sure I know you don't like my view either but go about refuting it from what I posted. If I care to I would respond. EGW didn't stand on this where you think she did and I brought that out. Well you can't talk to her anymore but she wrote profusely and she had a lot to contend with and wasn't able to get all things on track even though you may think so. Her heart was broken over how the false couldn't be stopped from coming in and taking hold.

Too many views to be righted as today, how many are you able to get to see it your way?

On this prophecy of Rev 13: it is playing out in front of our noses and most don't see it, I saw it 30 or more years ago. Hang in there as we'll soon see who was right and who was wrong. Just a very few will be proven to have seen it right as will soon be seen.

Anyway a blessing is pronounced upon he who will study it.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[jamesonofthunder]

Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder

When I post the dreams and visions our Heavenly Father has blessed me with, can you imagine how many differing theories I receive in response,

...When this pope, Benedict 16, who is the seventh since the healing of the head wound dies, then Satan will come looking like the sixth king, the dead seemingly coming to life, and remember where you read this, then you will see the fulfillment. Seventh Day Adventists have been prepared for this message because we have been taught the true state of the dead.

Is this what God has shown you in vision? Or did you arrive at this idea by other ways?

I had my first dream just after the Holy Spirit lead me to the Sabbath, Spirit of Prophecy and SDA Church in 1995. No man taught me, HE did.

My first dream was about being on a train that lead to a great abyss. In the dream I got off the train and went on a journey. Then I found Mrs. Whites dream about the whole world being on board a train heading with lightning speed into perdition. It is at moments like these that I cannot believe Satan would have the power to counterfeit this powerful of an experience like it was planned. Mrs. Whites dream points to Satan coming as an angel of light the "Son of Perdition" heading with lightning speed to perdition.

All of my visions and dreams and the miracles I've witnessed, continually strengthen my faith. Like an experiment that paid out in torrents of blessings.

Then I saw a vision on Sept. 11, 2001 that was exactly like the "4 Winds" dream Mrs. White had which lead to investigation of all the dreams and visions she had about 9/11.

While asking a sister about the meaning of Rev 17 the still small voice illuminated what she was telling me perfectly and just like finding the Sabbath I knew God approved of her description that the Seven Kings of Rev 17 are the last seven popes. I found so much evidence to prove it, especially what Mr. James White wrote.

Then while I was meditating and praying for understanding of the biblical text and questioning who the Eighth King is, after I finished praying I heard the Still Small Voice very clearly reply, "The Eighth King is Satan appearing as an angel of light". And wham, every bit of information was supported by scripture and the Spirit of Prophecy, although it takes real faith to see.

Then after all this I was telling a sister about all that I was shown and she said "wow, that sounds just like what Pastor Lowell Hargreaves from Amazing Facts says". Then I found that a SDA Pastor from South America had a Dream that totally supports my leading to this understanding. So to my heart this leading is proven to be of no private interpretation.

I am convicted that when the Seventh/current papal king dies, we are going to go for one heck of a ride let me tell you. This will lead to the whole world wandering after the beast.

Then after the world has been divided and the end of probation comes, it is going to be hell for us to stand before the wrath of God without an intercessor and before the wrath of Satan who is out to make war with the remnant of God's seed. We are this generation which will see the fulfillment of these prophecies, but even then, those who harden their hearts will be caught unprepared.

[jamesonofthunder]

Jamesonofthunder,

You will be derided for anything that seems out of the "box" to different ones here. I haven't been here long and see SDA's with all kinds of views. My advice, Don't be afraid of their faces or their words on a computer screen. Sticks and stones will bruise bones but them words, develop a ducks back for em. They "ain't" wet and don't soak in, just go on.

I understand and I am tested on this point over and over. This is why I am called 'Boanergez', a 'son of thunder'. I am still being refined or sanctified, but I give my word as a devout follower of Christ I am not making any of this up and the church will never beat this out of me.

[jamesonofthunder]

"Through the two great errors, the immortality of the soul and Sunday sacredness, Satan will bring the people under his deceptions. While the former lays the foundation of spiritualism, the latter creates a bond of sympathy with Rome."—The Great Controversy, 588 (1911).

How could these two subjects TOGETHER bring people under the devils deceptions? The devil appearing like someone who has died, coming before the world proclaiming to be sent by God is the spiritualism/ dead speaking part.

Amidst demons appearing as thousands of dead people, the dead pope John Paul II comes to tell the world The Sabbath is done away with, which creates a bond of sympathy with Rome, and then devils appearing like the apostles support this delusion and lead the protestant churches to lend their power to the beast for one prophetic hour or two literal weeks.

[Gibs]

Jamesonofthunder,

The great problem I see with the interpretation presentation you set forth is that the crowns, the power of Kings hasn't been on the heads for a lot of years now.

The horns now have them and are the kings at the present.

Also had you noticed EGW states the papacy has had her day.

While I agree that Satan is the Eighth King there is nothing to lead me to believe him taking a position of a pope. The heads at one time were the kings but wasn't a reference to popes, but to the heads of the beast and not the heads of the papal system.

The beast is greater by far than the papacy, for 500 years now there has been 7 and all the religious systems of the world fall within 7 catagories. When Satan does come on board he will be a religious system of himself, the god of forces. Many worship the god of forces today and don't know of whom they worship.

I will paste the quote "she has had her day" by EGW,

"I saw that the two-horned beast had a dragon's mouth, and that his power was in his head, and that the decree would go out of his mouth. Then I saw the Mother of Harlots; that the mother was not the daughters, but separate and distinct from them. She has had her day, and it is past, and her daughters, the Protestant sects, were the next to come on the stage and act out the same mind that the mother had when she persecuted the saints. I saw that as the mother has been declining in power, the daughters had been growing, and soon they will exercise the power once exercised by the mother." {SpM 1.4}

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Dr. Rich]

Excellent points Sky

Problem is, no one can become righteous after the last 5 months of the time of trouble starts. When the censor is cast down, it's over for making any more choices. After this, the 2nd beast is given the keys to release him and the demons from the abyss. Those five last months are when the second beast of Rev. 13 tries to kill the two witnesses but can't until the end of the 5th months which is the end of the 42 months. At that time it will be at or near the fall equinox 2019--when the next thing that happens after the two witnesses are resurected and taken to heaven, Jesus comes in the clouds.

[BobRyan]

Ellen White says that Satan will try to establish a new order of religion - that the world will be lead to believe that they are in the millennium, that angels walk among them then at that time, and that "heathen deities will display themselves before the cities of the world".

If you look at "the news" in today's world you see the "strange earth noises" is the latest thing to surface -- coming up since August 2011 and then a big jump in that manifestation in Jan 2012.

If you look at odd world news - we have been having this marching out to the world of "other planets" in our galaxy by NASA for a few years now - find many many more "goldilocks planets" than they ever supposed they would find in so short a time.

And if you look at how these things are being presented - they all eventually get to the topic of spiritualism.

Whether that also includes JPII supposedly coming back, I don't know.

in Christ,

Bob

[skyblue888]

Jamesonofthunder,

The great problem I see with the interpretation presentation you set forth is that the crowns, the power of Kings hasn't been on the heads for a lot of years now.

The horns now have them and are the kings at the present.

Also had you noticed EGW states the papacy has had her day.

While I agree that Satan is the Eighth King there is nothing to lead me to believe him taking a position of a pope. The heads at one time were the kings but wasn't a reference to popes, but to the heads of the beast and not the heads of the papal system.

The beast is greater by far than the papacy, for 500 years now there has been 7 and all the religious systems of the world fall within 7 catagories. When Satan does come on board he will be a religious system of himself, the god of forces. Many worship the god of forces today and don't know of whom they worship.

I will paste the quote "she has had her day" by EGW,

"I saw that the two-horned beast had a dragon's mouth, and that his power was in his head, and that the decree would go out of his mouth. Then I saw the Mother of Harlots; that the mother was not the daughters, but separate and distinct from them. She has had her day, and it is past, and her daughters, the Protestant sects, were the next to come on the stage and act out the same mind that the mother had when she persecuted the saints. I saw that as the mother has been declining in power, the daughters had been growing, and soon they will exercise the power once exercised by the mother." {SpM 1.4}

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

When the church is wielding the power of the state the crowns are on the horns. They are not on the horns at the present time, not until church and state unite and the church takes the ascendency. The horns (churches) have not received a kingdom as yet but will for a short time and they will give their power to the papacy in due time.

The ten horns represent not only the so-called protestant churches,,, they include all the other major religions of the world. One encyclopedia mentions 10 of them.

The eighth is "of the seven" and is not Satan but the papacy who was before 1798, is not after 1798 because of the deadly wound, and is again when the wound is healed. This should not be too difficult to see.

sky

the seven: the five that had fallen by 1798 were Papal Rome, Pagan Rome, Greece, Medo-Persia, Babylon,,, the one that is in 1798 is Atheistic France and the one yet to come after 1798 is Apostate Protestantism when it shall receive power from the state and after that every country in the world will follow her example, every major religion receiving power from their respective state to enforce Sunday. This is how the deadly wound is going to be healed as the ten horns, then kings, shall give it their kingdom.

[Gibs]

Sky,

The change of the king power was broken from the heads when the pope was taken captive and killed in 1798 and no religious system has had king power since.

That is when the transition occured to the horns, a new system of Satan ruling the world ceased with the religious systems which are the heads of the beast.

The crowns on the heads was the OWO and now the crowns on the horns is Satan's NWO. These horns are 10 dynasties, 10 men, one out of each, that meet once a month usually in Edgar Bronfman's Penthouse in Canada to decide the fate of the world and the bringing down of this country. Lord Jacob Rothschild being one of the most powerful.

They control all money, banks, industry, presidents, congresss and all the kings of all countries are puppeted by them. They are Satan's men. They do his exact will until he, Satan is allowed to make a visible appearance in a body.

Watch it transpire as outlined and these are in full control until Satan comes forth.

Not far down the road in time. I could tell you how it will play out but none are about to believe but a very few see what I see.

The meaning of the prophecy isn't hidden, just preconceived ideas need to take a seat and sit down and be quite.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[skyblue888]

Sky,

The change of the king power was broken from the heads when the pope was taken captive and killed in 1798 and no religious system has had king power since.

Gibs

______________

very true

In fact Apostate protestantism does not have a kingdom yet but will receive a kingdom (crown) when the leading churches of the U.S. uniting upon such points of doctrine as are held by them in common, shall influence the state to enforce their decrees and to sustain their institutions. Then Protestant America will have formed an image to the Roman hierarchy, and the infliction of civil penalties upon dissenters will inevitably result. See G.C.445.

"What is it that gives its kingdom to this power? Protestantism, a power which, while professing to have the temper and spirit of a lamb and to be allied to Heaven, speaks with the voice of a dragon. It is moved by a power from beneath." E.G. White, Bible Commentary, Vol.7,983.

This is yet to be fulfilled.

We are told in the SoP that when this happens every country on the globe will follow the example of Apostate Protestantism as they will be moved by a power from beneath, namely Satan.

Every major religion of the world will make an image to the Roman hierarchy influencing the state to enforce their decrees.

In other words, the whole world will appear to have been converted to Christianity but it will be a counterfeit of it otherwise called Babylon the Great.

And we are told that when Sunday shall be enforced in all parts of the world thus making void the law of God in the land, the sins of Babylon the great will have reached unto heaven and the call to separate from her midst will be present truth, not before.

sky

[ClubV12]

Gib's says, and many others echo the same basic position for themselves,

"I could tell you how it will play out but none are about to believe but a very few see what I see."

Other common and typical proclimations:

I have been led by the Holy Spirit (typically meaning, "I" alone, or perhaps a few others).

I have seen "miracles" and "signs" that substantiate my position.

All of the above are red flags or warning to me. This is not consistent with how the Holy Spirit led the early church or the early Adventist church. Truth is not given to one man. Here on this forum we see a LARGE number of "individuals" with their own unique interpretation of prophecy or doctrine. We see a large number of Chrisitian denominations similiarly, Baptists, Methodists, Mormons.

If one, anyone, thinks they have "new light", that "few will see", they generally keep it secret for the most part. Another red flag. If you have something worthy of consideration, then bring it into the light. In the case of Seventh-day Adventist theology, let it be considered by the brethren, at the local, the Conference, the General Conference level.

And if the counsel of the brethren see's no light in it, at this time, then what does Sister White counsel us to do with the issue? Remove ourselves from the church? Despise the counsel? Go our own way and point to the church as being in apostasy?

Or,,, put the issue to one side in favor of harmony, that is the correct counsel.

The fact that there are SO many different groups, individuals and churches that hold such a wide variety of interpretations and views on prophecy should in itself be a major red flag! There is currently in MY local church such a man. Loudly and boldly proclaiming he has been given new light, is being led of the Holy Spirit. He points to alleged "miracles" and "providence" as evidence. His theological views are entirely out of line with the General Conference and fundamental Adventists beliefs. He has even been allowed to speak from the pulpit! Teaches a Sabbath school class! How is he any different than many others we see on this forum or on the web in general? He is not any different. He is led by a spirit, I have no doubt, but not the Holy Spirit. An apparently devoted, pious, deeply religious fellow who commands great respect from the members at large. A wolf in sheeps clothing and he doesn't even see that himself. 100% convinced he is right and will not moved, no matter what, no matter who disputes his findings. Thus, you place yourself in a position where you cannot be reached, by anyone. The delusion you never see.

The moment someone declares that they, and they alone, have "new light", the red flags are up, the warning was just given. Great caution is advisable.

[Gibs]

ClubV12,

I don't claim any special anything. It was revealed by EGW that the scroll of Prophecy was not completely unrolled yet. Yet Adventism for the most part are historicists and I am not and can not and will be not be of that number.

So I got busy and studied it out for myself and by looking around I found there is some out there that have unraveled it as I have. I don't condemn no one for having a different view as some in Adventism do. That is wrong.

And I find it wrong the way the "gang" comes down on some views put out here. Some have been pushed out since I been here because of the pharisaic rudeness. We are to judge for ourselves what we find to be truth, but to condemn another, no way. He is accountable to God and not to any of us.

There is very little harmony on prophetic issues as there is about as many views as there is people who care to dig into them. Daniel said "The Wise Shall Understand".

Who is one of them? Who will stand up first and boast?

We post our views to be reckoned with and if you can't see it that way post what you see as concise as possible as many read very little of what one posts. Most is skipped over and no consideration given.

I have found for the most part I must be a loner among men and the teachings of the churces including "new" Adventism.

Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Gibs]

Sky,

I would add that today Babylon the Great includes Old and New babylon and takes in practically the whole world.

Confusion reigns every where one looks or listens in all Christianity and governments and all religions beside Christian.

There is but one place of quite peace, rest and that is in the TRUE following and being in Jesus Christ.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[skyblue888]

Sky,

I would add that today Babylon the Great includes Old and New babylon and takes in practically the whole world.

Confusion reigns every where one looks or listens in all Christianity and governments and all religions beside Christian.

There is but one place of quite peace, rest and that is in the TRUE following and being in Jesus Christ.

Gibs

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That is exactly what I meant as I mentioned that all the major religions of this world (all the other religions derive their exietence from these major ones) will make an image to the papacy in these last days following in the tract of Apostate Protestantism. Satan will work his signs and wonders and bring the whole world into a false unity all in the name of Christ to bear upon the few who will remain true to God and His truth.

sky :)

[Gibs]

Sky,

You know those signs and wonders you spoke of above are going to be so overpoweringly great wonders that very few there will be that but will be taken in by them. The super natural will be brought in of aliens and all sorts of deceptions most are not aware of will come. Great advanced tech. will be used so far beyond our knowledge that most will be overwhelmed and taken in.

Little bits and pieces have slipped out by some insiders. Times and things are more evil than we realize I am sure. These things let out have cost some their lives. Those who leak them and tell the people are called alarmists and conspiracy therorists. Most of the time I find the "official" story is the conspiracy therory.

Unimaginable today but reality very soon is for sure.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[ClubV12]

How folks that have left the church and then condem it as being in an apostic state can quote Ellen White with a straight face remains a mystery. But then again, Jehovah Witness and many other groups quote the bible with a straight face, so....

[Gibs]

ClubV12,

EGW's writings are my Bible commentary, the best there is, bar none!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[jamesonofthunder]

ClubV12,

EGW's writings are my Bible commentary, the best there is, bar none!

Amen.

When I post the dreams and visions our Heavenly Father has blessed me with, do you know how many differing theories I receive in response that all claim that they know I am wrong in my visions because it doesn't fit with their idea of what will happen in the last days. They make all these assumptions and argue against the Spirit of Prophecy.

Would everyone here like to know what is REALLY going to happen in the last days according to the Spirit of Prophecy?

How 'last day' is this?

"The saints must get a thorough understanding of present truth, which they will be obliged to maintain from the Scriptures. They must understand the state of the dead, for the spirits of devils will yet appear to them, professing to be beloved friends and relatives, who will declare to them that the Sabbath has been changed, also other unscriptural doctrines."—Early Writings, 87 (1854). {LDE 156.3}

Through the two great errors, the immortality of the soul and Sunday sacredness, Satan will bring the people under his deceptions. While the former lays the foundation of spiritualism, the latter creates a bond of sympathy with Rome.—The Great Controversy, 588 (1911). {LDE 157.2}

"The apostles, as personated by these lying spirits, are made to contradict what they wrote at the dictation of the Holy Spirit when on earth. They deny the divine origin of the Bible."—The Great Controversy, 557 (1911). {LDE 157.1}

'But the people of God will not be misled. The teachings of this false christ are not in accordance with the Scriptures. His blessing is pronounced upon the worshipers of the beast and his image, the very class upon whom the Bible declares that God’s unmingled wrath shall be poured out.'—The Great Controversy, 624, 625 (1911). {LDE 157.4}

This is the last great conflict before Jesus comes that will unite the world in error.

Here you go brothers, peace and God Speed,

"Those who would stand in the time of peril must understand the testimony of the Scriptures concerning the nature of man and the state of the dead, for in the near future many will be confronted by the spirits of devils personating beloved relatives or friends and declaring the most dangerous heresies. These visitants will appeal to our tenderest sympathies and will work miracles to sustain their pretensions. We must be prepared to withstand them with the Bible truth that the dead know not anything, and that they who thus appear are the spirits of devils." {SR 398.1}

"Satan has long been preparing for his final effort to deceive the world. The foundation of his work was laid by the assurance given to Eve in Eden: “Ye shall not surely die.” “In the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.” Genesis 3:4, 5. Little by little he has prepared the way for his masterpiece of deception in the development of spiritualism. He has not yet reached the full accomplishment of his designs; but it will be reached in the last remnant of time. Says the prophet: “I saw three unclean spirits like frogs; ... they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.” Revelation 16:13, 14. Except those who are kept by the power of God, through faith in His word, the whole world will be swept into the ranks of this delusion. The people are fast being lulled to a fatal security, to be awakened only by the outpouring of the wrath of God." {DD 23.3}

"Saith the Lord God: “Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.” Isaiah 28:17, 18. {DD 23.4}

Why does our church not teach this? It is forgotten that our last day prophet foretold what the last great event would be about, but our church is filled with so much theory about what will happen in the end they forget what is written.

The major event that will trouble the world in the last days, is the revealing of Satan as an angel of light, coming as the eighth King of Rev 17, the "son of Perdition", then immediately afterwards in Rev 18 is the "angel that cries with a mighty voice'.

The loud cry of Rev 18 begins by proclaiming that Babylon has become "Inhabited by demons".

When this pope, Benedict 16, who is the seventh since the healing of the head wound, dies; then Satan will come looking like the sixth king. The dead seemingly coming to life, and remember where you read this, then you will see the fulfillment. Seventh Day Adventists have been prepared for this message because we have been taught the true state of the dead.

"The Lord has given men time to discover the snare"

Peace in Jesus name amen.