The Two Great Issues of the Last Days.

[phkrause]

How does a delusional, legalistic,false prophet come up with ideas like this?? No wonder she was seen as possessing the Testimony of Jesus!

I'm guessing that the first sentence is "sarcastic?"

[skyblue888]

Originally Posted By: doug yowell

How does a delusional, legalistic,false prophet come up with ideas like this?? No wonder she was seen as possessing the Testimony of Jesus!

I'm guessing that the first sentence is "sarcastic?"

You think so pk?

if so, wow good one doug!

hehe

sky

*your right doug, someone delusional, legalistic, or a false prophet at that could never come up with something like this. She did truly possess the Testimony of Jesus!

thank u :)

[Woody]

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How does a delusional, legalistic,false prophet come up with ideas like this??

YOu bring up a good question here Doug.

[phkrause]

You think so pk?

if so, wow good one doug!

hehe

sky

*your right doug, someone delusional, legalistic, or a false prophet at that could never come up with something like this. She did truly possess the Testimony of Jesus!

thank u

I figured that if he was talking about EGW, it couldn't be anything else. At least not from his other posts that I've read on C/A. And your welcomed.

[jamesonofthunder]

It is awesome to see the way God divides truth and righteousness from error and sin. Sky that was powerful. The Holy Spirit testifies to His own power by the fruits he brings from us, such as "a word in due season".

One of the ways to tell the Spirit of God from the devil's deceptions is by this fruit.

Men have a hard time telling if they are off the path, like Peter when rebuked by Paul about separating from Gentiles and claiming physical circumcision is still needed. He needed to be counseled by the one sent from God on the subject. But as soon as his eyes were opened he proved he was not past the point of no return by returning.

This is part of the same process we are to be refined by. If anyone is off the path God will always sent reproof to correct them, it is only when they reject the message that they prove they are reprobate.

Gail, Sky and Lynn are proving that truth is guiding them by their verbal acceptance of knowledge. Most people when they learn something accept it quietly and then act as if they knew it all along when presenting the truth to others. Only a true spirit filled child of God will acknowledge their error and praise God for the new light given to them.

I love reproof because it is a sign from God that He still loves me and cares enough to correct me.

Proverbs 1:23 If you turn at my reproof,

behold, I will pour out my spirit to you;

I will make my words known to you.

[skyblue888]

Originally Posted By: skyblue888

You think so pk?

if so, wow good one doug!

hehe

sky

*your right doug, someone delusional, legalistic, or a false prophet at that could never come up with something like this. She did truly possess the Testimony of Jesus!

thank u

I figured that if he was talking about EGW, it couldn't be anything else. At least not from his other posts that I've read on C/A. And your welcomed.

You are absolutely right pk. For the last three months I have not been reading or posting much. But the more I think of it, just the way he worded it, I should have caught on right away but I didnt.

Thank you.

sky

[jamesonofthunder]

You are absolutely right pk. For the last three months I have not been reading or posting much. But the more I think of it, just the way he worded it, I should have caught on right away but I didnt.

Thank you.

sky

More proof the Spirit reside in your heart. May the God of peace prove His truth and send you His love in greater measure every day till the end. Amen.

[skyblue888]

Originally Posted By: skyblue888

You are absolutely right pk. For the last three months I have not been reading or posting much. But the more I think of it, just the way he worded it, I should have caught on right away but I didnt.

Thank you.

sky

More proof the Spirit reside in your heart. May the God of peace prove His truth and send you His love in greater measure every day till the end. Amen.

Thanks James for the good wish. May His sweet love be sent in greater measure every day till the end not only to me but to you as well and to all who love Him and His truth.

sky

[skyblue888]

"When God gave His Son in our world, He endowed human beings with imperishable riches--riches compared with which the treasured wealth of men since the world began is nothingness. Christ came to the earth and stood before the children of men with the hoarded love of eternity, and this is the treasure that, through our connection with Him, we are to receive, to reveal, and to impart." Ministry of Healing,37.

Who can fathom this gift, the hoarded love of eternity!

"Thanks be unto God for His unspeakable gift." 2 Cor.9:15.

sky

[Dr. Rich]

"When God gave His Son in our world, He endowed human beings with imperishable riches--riches compared with which the treasured wealth of men since the world began is nothingness. Christ came to the earth and stood before the children of men with the hoarded love of eternity, and this is the treasure that, through our connection with Him, we are to receive, to reveal, and to impart." Ministry of Healing,37.

God sent His Son to testify to the truth, the words of Jesus being the same words that the Father gave the Son to testify about. (John 18:37) Problem is, those who refuse to HEAR those words AND abide in those words are all going to be thrown in the lake of fire.

[Dr. Rich]

"It is the privilege of every believer in Christ to possess Christ's nature, a nature FAR ABOVE that which Adam forfeited by transgression." E.G. White, Upward Look,18.

"Christ places His own merits upon man and thus elevates him in the scales of moral value with God." Our Father Cares, 121.

Is that high enough?

sky

Huh? Does not Satan believe in Christ? What good will that do him? And as for Adam and Eve, their nature was the same as before, just that they now knew good from evil. And NO, Christ does NOT place His own merits upon anyone--that is a total lie! Truth is, each must repent and carry their own cross. Jesus words were the truth when He said that He became sanctified so that we also CAN or MAY become sanctified. (Jn. 17)

[Dr. Rich]

I'm guessing that the first sentence is "sarcastic?"

[jamesonofthunder]

NO she didn't! The testimony of Jesus are the words He spoke and given to us to read by the eyewitnesses only. (Jn 14:26, and 17:17-22). Yes, she sure was deluslional and Satan used her to deceive those who would be the bond servants as found in Re. 2:18-26. Satan is nasty folks, and he knows how much you want to hear warm fuzzy garbage!

Can the brothers of this site come together and dis-fellowship this man who calls himself a doctor and attacks the spirit of prophecy? This is a Satanically directed mind out to do damage to the end time church and I for one would like to see his influence stopped in this regard.

Get thee behind my Lord, satan.

[skyblue888]

3 S.M.410 bottom of page and top of 411.

[Q.E.D.]

Jamesonofthunder. . .What happened to your Dr. Rich is not Adventist post?

[Gail]

Jamesonofthunder. . .What happened to your Dr. Rich is not Adventist post?

Moved. Explanation given to the post author...

[ClubV12]

Well Dr. Rich is a bit of a conundrum. As I understand it Dr. Rich is actually an official member of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

...yeah, it's a head scratcher. :)

[doug yowell]

I'm guessing that the first sentence is "sarcastic?"

Thanks pk,you be right.It was sort of a thinking out loud drive by. Quotes like that always make me wonder what sparks people (who shall remain nameless) to relegate her to the false prophet folder?

[LynnDel]

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NO she didn't! The testimony of Jesus are the words He spoke and given to us to read by the eyewitnesses only. (Jn 14:26, and 17:17-22).

I have never heard or seen a text that says that "the testimony of Jesus comes through eyewitnesses only."

John the Beloved, John the Revelator, who certainly walked and talked with Jesus, wrote these words:

And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev. 12:17

And again he wrote these words:

And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Rev. 19:10

John is saying that the testimony of Jesus Christ can be--and is--given to those who live in the final days. And these persons, can it possibly be us?--are not eyewitnesses.

But wait a minute! Jesus promised His Spirit, and He is with us today through His Spirit. He promised the spirit of prophecy (not talking of EGW here--she had the spirit of prophecy, but she is not the sole recipient of that Spirit). Through His Spirit we are eyewitnesses of His power and what He does in the lives and hearts of people, those who love Him, and those who are searching for Him. Through His Spirit we become a part of Him, and He is a part of us.

LD

[jamesonofthunder]

Jamesonofthunder. . .What happened to your Dr. Rich is not Adventist post?

The administrators yanked it and told me to ignore him. I think there is something wrong with that. Why would his posts be tolerated and mine be censored?

But to everyone else who didn't read the post. The man who goes by 'Dr. Rich' is not an Adventist. He is the radio host of an anti-Adventist talk show and he says we are the "foolish virgins" that believe in Ellen White so we are receiving the mark of the beast. http://web.mac.com/spiritoftrut/STM/Head..._the_Beast.html

I cannot mention his name any more but he himself has a link to his website on his profile here at Club Adventist that has all the clues needed to prove the point. This man's name and the rest of his colleagues from Spirit of Truth ministries are available on his website. http://web.mac.com/spiritoftruth/STM/About_Us.html

If he is on the books of the SDA church then someone needs to do something about it. I will contact my Brothers and see what can be done. Shame on this website for letting him continually harass believers in the true end time church and cast contempt on God's prophet of the last days.

[ClubV12]

There are many on here who are wolves in sheep clothing James. Dr.Rich and his theology is fairly easy to figure out, he doesn't try to hide it nearly as much as many others do. The REAL "wolves" are much more difficult to spot, their disguise is pronounced piety and excellent biblical knowledge. In additon they are well versed in the Spirit of Prophecy. The clues as to where they stand are exceedingly subtle compared to Dr.Rich. He's just a warm up exercise!! If HE annoys you, well you aint seen nothing yet.

[Woody]

Originally Posted By: Q.E.D.

Jamesonofthunder. . .What happened to your Dr. Rich is not Adventist post?

The administrators yanked it and told me to ignore him. I think there is something wrong with that. Why would his posts be tolerated and mine be censored?

But to everyone else who didn't read the post. The man who goes by 'Dr. Rich' is not an Adventist. He is the radio host of an anti-Adventist talk show and he says we are the "foolish virgins" that believe in Ellen White so we are receiving the mark of the beast. http://web.mac.com/spiritoftrut/STM/Head..._the_Beast.html

I cannot mention his name any more but he himself has a link to his website on his profile here at Club Adventist that has all the clues needed to prove the point. This man's name and the rest of his colleagues from Spirit of Truth ministries are available on his website. http://web.mac.com/spiritoftruth/STM/About_Us.html

If he is on the books of the SDA church then someone needs to do something about it. I will contact my Brothers and see what can be done. Shame on this website for letting him continually harass believers in the true end time church and cast contempt on God's prophet of the last days.

There's a Rick Sterling

But he is a nurse not a doctor.

[jamesonofthunder]

There are many on here who are wolves in sheep clothing James. Dr.Rich and his theology is fairly easy to figure out, he doesn't try to hide it nearly as much as many others do. The REAL "wolves" are much more difficult to spot, their disguise is pronounced piety and excellent biblical knowledge. In additon they are well versed in the Spirit of Prophecy. The clues as to where they stand are exceedingly subtle compared to Dr.Rich. He's just a warm up exercise!! If HE annoys you, well you aint seen nothing yet.

This is the same thing that is happening all over the world with our church. When a man can come claiming the Adventist faith but never accept ordination and set out destroy a 70 year old church without anyone in the General conference objecting, then it is fully proven that the church is asleep. This happened at my church here in Minneapolis (Northbrook). The so called pastor was a few years into the SDA church and given the reigns of my church while I was in Alaska, by the time I came back he had the support of the youth and young adults who gave him the vote to sell the church and he did so swiftly out from under the elders who built the church with their own hands.

After selling the church he took a loan with the conferences blessing for 2.5 million dollars to build his vision of a mega church with coffee shop and rock concert environment. He pressured me to help because I am a retired rock professional and owned my own Smoothie shop that they wanted the recipes from. I objected to heaven and back quoting the Spirit of prophecy that we are not to build large churches or put the church into debt in the last days. No one but God listened.

He immediately changed the name to "the EDGE Christian center" and you could not even find the words 'Seventh Day Adventist' anywhere in the building.

When he started having secret baptisms for practicing homosexuals I objected again. Nothing...

When he made them deacons in their first year of being called Adventists I objected again, firmly supported by the Holy Spirit. Strange things started to happen. The drummer for the band (praise group) found a girlfriend and they moved in together and no one counseled him not to, in fact, they baptized him and her while living together in sin. When the youth pastor went to Colorado this young man and his lover was asked to go with them. They even paid for their apartment for over a year in CO. When she became pregnant guess what they did to them? That's when it was no longer appropriate and they left these kids high and dry 1,200 miles from home with no help. Guess who God called to help them. I was so angry for what they did.

When the plans of that pastor failed (he didn't get his sponsorship for his TV spot) and the money was not even close to keep the church going, he petitioned for the conference to let him keep the tithe to run it. They refused and he left in protest leaving the conference in debt 3 Million dollars. When the housing market tanked guess what happened to the value of the building that cost $10k per month to operate?

I promised our Lord to faithfully listen to Him every time I see injustice in our church again. How could that man get so deep into the SDA church without being ordained? WE NEED TO BE WATCHFUL!!!! Speak out against improper governance of our church.

That is why I am so perturbed when I see people come onto a site like this who have obvious motivations against our church. Why are they here? Because Satan sent them.

[Q.E.D.]

Thanks jamesonofthunder.

That sounds very similar to the "Home Depot" megachurch takeover attempt that our church went through about 3 years ago.

Fortunately the takeover attempt did not succeed.

Praise the LORD!

[Dr. Rich]

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NO she didn't! The testimony of Jesus are the words He spoke and given to us to read by the eyewitnesses only. (Jn 14:26, and 17:17-22).

I have never heard or seen a text that says that "the testimony of Jesus comes through eyewitnesses only."

John the Beloved, John the Revelator, who certainly walked and talked with Jesus, wrote these words:

And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev. 12:17

And again he wrote these words:

And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Rev. 19:10

John is saying that the testimony of Jesus Christ can be--and is--given to those who live in the final days. And these persons, can it possibly be us?--are not eyewitnesses.

But wait a minute! Jesus promised His Spirit, and He is with us today through His Spirit. He promised the spirit of prophecy (not talking of EGW here--she had the spirit of prophecy, but she is not the sole recipient of that Spirit). Through His Spirit we are eyewitnesses of His power and what He does in the lives and hearts of people, those who love Him, and those who are searching for Him. Through His Spirit we become a part of Him, and He is a part of us.

LD

Thanks LynnDel, you are right on point except that it is MY OWN opinion that Rev. 2:18-26 speaks of EGW. What IF I am right? Huh? What then?

However, the TEST verses (Key Texts) to prove the words of Jesus given to us by ONLY His eye/ear witnesses can be used to build ones foundational belief are: John 14:26 (no one can be caused to remember without first hearing themselves) and John 17:17-22 where Jesus prays for those of US who build the right foundation by reading the words of Jesus from ONLY His eyewitnesses. THERE--you have the test! Jesus NEVER prayed for anyone who reads the words of Luke or Paul. Can you please give me the names of the false apostles, who "called themselves apostles" as found in Rev. 2:2? If not, why? This is NOT in Revelation to stump or fool us. Hint: Read 2Tim. 1:15. Same goes for the women who God called "Jezebel" in Rev. 2:18-25. If Jesus had named her Ellen G. Harmon White, then the prophecy about her would NEVER have happened!

Hey, IF I am wrong, I will repent! But someone must first prove to me I am wrong from the words of Jesus!