Guns

[Naomi]

I grew up in the country in an area where guns were a good thing. I grew up with guns, so did my brother, my children and grandchildren. Including in more recent times "assult" rifles. Very, very young we were taught how to use them, to clean, to pratice safe handling and how to hit what we aimed at. It wasn't a game but very strict training allowing for no margin for error and total respect for the weapon. You don't pull a gun uness you intend to use it and you don't miss. We have not killed ourselves, each other or anyone.

It's not the responsible people who should be punished, but there should be stricter backgound checks to whom they are sold. That being said, I don't believe there is a way to keep a nut job from acquiring a gun of any kind if they have cash.

Just sayin .............

[bonnie]

Two-thirds of the 179,000 homicides committed during the 2000s made use of a firearm, usually a handgun.

• If a gun is used during a domestic violence assault, there’s a 23-fold increased likelihood that the victim will die. Women who are victims of domestic violence are five times more likely to be killed if their abuser owns a firearm.

[jasd]

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Didn't Satint Peter use a sword? Did he die by the sword? No?--then the verse (though corrupted) must speak to issues more profound than as presented, yes?

>>It might be helpful to think principle.<<

Exactly, it is analogously saying, "If Johnny picks up his gun and goes to war, he is likely to be shot, killed." ...however,

because of the gun or because of the situation in which he is found?

[jasd]

>>Two-thirds of the 179,000 homicides committed during the 2000s made use of a firearm, usually a handgun. [...]

Do we need to make it easy and legal for homicidal maniacs to rack up body counts? What justification can there be for allowing people to buy weapons with the ability to shoot 50 to 60 rounds per minute?<< [ed.jasd]

Shucks, hear'd tell a Glock can do that with a change of magazines. Anyways...,

"usually a handgun."

So why the full court press re 'assault'/black guns?

And why are those politicos who are presently doing the most posturing - involved in "Fast and Furious" - which abetted the transfer of thousands of weapons to drug cartels resulting in numerous deaths - including that of a border agent?

No "sorry" or apology; just major CYA.

Me smells the horrid scent of hypocrisy and evil.

What we need is a Constitutional scholar... [/laughing fit]

[LifeHiscost]

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LOL; a pastor with C4!

You'll be surprised at how many of our shepherds who feel they need "tools". Sometimes it takes more than a staff to keep the sheep in line.

Me thinks you're joking, but in case you're not, where do you get the reliable stats.

God blesses!

[jasd]

Don't Try That In Montana!

"Twelve people are dead, because the movie theater was a gun-free zone! Obviously, bad guys do not pay any attention to gun-free zones, except to note that such zones create a free-killing environment.

Have readers ever noticed that these so-called "madmen" are never crazy enough to try and attack guys at a gun range? Gee! I wonder why not?

One thing the national news media will always ignore is the practice of lawful self-defense. For example, most people are probably not aware of the fact that American citizens use a firearm to defend themselves more than 2.4 million times EVERY YEAR. That is more than 6,500 times EVERY DAY. This means that, each year, firearms are used 60 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives. Furthermore, of the 2.4 million self-defense cases, more than 192,000 are by women defending themselves against sexual assault. And in less than eight percent of those occasions is a shot actually fired. The vast majority of the time (92%), the mere presence of a firearm helps to avert a major crime from occurring. That is what Congressman Roscoe Bartlett (R-MD) concluded after extensive research. According to Rep. Bartlett, the number of defensive uses is four times the number of crimes reported committed with guns.

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Some years back, Alan Rice of the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO) wrote, "Since 1900 at least seven major genocides have occurred resulting in the murder of 50-60 million people:

• Ottoman Turkey, 1915-17; 1-1.5 million Armenians murdered;

• Soviet Union, 1929-53; 20 million anti-Communists and anti-Stalinists murdered;

• Nazi Germany & Occupied Europe, 1933-45; 13 million Jews, Gypsies, and Anti-Nazis murdered;

• China, 1949-52, 1957-60 & 1966-1976; 20 million anti-Communists murdered;

• Guatemala, 1960-1981; 100,000 Mayan Indians murdered;

• Uganda, 1971-1979; 300,000 Christians and Political Rivals of Idi Amin murdered;

• Cambodia, 1975-1979; 1 million murdered." --Chuck Baldwin

Even though the numbers are but small reflections of the real..., Yo!--thems be stats lookin' like DEATH BY GOVT...

So, what was the tie that binds?--the connecting thread? Give that man a soda pop!--y'right, it was that they all had Gun Control! Can you spell A-G-E-N-D-A re our suspect and complicit leaders? (will he or won't he sign the UN Treaty agreement today Friday, 27 July '12, as rumored?)

There be sumfin' stinky rotten in DC and its effluent ways...

Where is the Y'Betcha! girlfriend - when the nation perisheth? Send her and her 'moose' gun to DC!--fer cryin' out loud, already! Nah, she would'a been a heartbeat away from the Presidency?--and that's what?--like, bad? Sheesh, and by Lou-eezy-anna gumbo!--lookee wha's there now - Frickee an' Fracko in their very persons, no less.

[lazarus]

Six Killed in WI: Oh well!

[Bravus]

Price of freedom, apparently.

[Woody]

Price of freedom, apparently.

There needs to be limits placed upon mankind. Just look at what guns do to our society.

[Planey]

Just look at what guns do to our society.

What, exactly?

Graeme

[Woody]

Originally Posted By: Woody

Just look at what guns do to our society.

What, exactly?

Graeme

IF you have to ask that question - then it would be kinda hopeless to tell you.

[Planey]

I live in Australia, Woody.

I have never been to the US.

I honestly have no real idea of your society.

I struggle to understand my own society, let alone yours.

Give me a break.

Graeme

[OzarkWoman]

Originally Posted By: Bravus

Price of freedom, apparently.

There needs to be limits placed upon mankind. Just look at what guns do to our society.

I believe it is the limits that have somewhat caused the problem in the first place. I say this because I have seen what happens to kids that are FORCED to go to church and forced to think a certain way and then they rebel.

[lazarus]

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I believe it is the limits that have somewhat caused the problem in the first place.

Please explain.

[Woody]

A society needs to break in at some point when it's citizens are being killed by guns.

[Neil D]

Price of freedom, apparently.

Freedom or is it the price of an "open society"? Perhaps there is no difference in concept...but I think there is....

I know there are people here who think those people is communistic countries are trying to get here because of "freedom"...but what about those who like Communism?

[if you have ever read Orwell's "Animal Farm", and the sheep bleeting "Two legs good. Four legs better" {or was that "Four legs good, Two legs better"?}, you'd understand that there are people who like and agree with a closed society,]

Don't they like Communism because of the freedom that comes with it? Don't people LIKE the closed society because of the safety and, thus, freedom it brings by staying within the accepted boundarys?

I'm just askin'.....

[lazarus]

A society needs to break in at some point when it's citizens are being killed by guns.

I drove my 8 year old to school this morning. I gave him a kiss on the forehead when he arrived home safely this afternoon.

[debbym]

guns did not do this harm, a human being did the harm, if no gun had been used other devices could have been used to do even greater harm.

we do not know what the mental state of the shooter was caused by, apparently his brother was apprehended and is also described as being disturbed. we do not know know what causes people to become mass shooters or serial killers, or whatever grade of violent criminality develops.

i was made to obey and made to go to church and i rebelled plenty, but i never developed into a mass murderer.

you have seen rebellious church kids become mass murderers? should you submit this insight to the fbi profilers team?.

deb

[JoeMo]

I agree with debjm on this. Guns (or knives or explosives or cars or runaway trains) don't kill people - other people do. You watch - there will be some who will reinforce repeal of the 2nd amendment because of this and other shootings. Taking away the people's rights to bear arms only fuels the potential for anarchy and/or totalitarianism. Do you want to live in a country where only criminals, terrorists, police, and the military (including U.N. troops) are the only ones able to defend themselves?

[bonnie]

I agree with debjm on this. Guns (or knives or explosives or cars or runaway trains) don't kill people - other people do. You watch - there will be some who will reinforce repeal of the 2nd amendment because of this and other shootings. Taking away the people's rights to bear arms only fuels the potential for anarchy and/or totalitarianism. Do you want to live in a country where only criminals, terrorists, police, and the military (including U.N. troops) are the only ones able to defend themselves?

Villager slashes 22 kids with knife at elementary school gates in China

By NBC News wire reports

BEIJING -- A knife-wielding man slashed 22 children and an adult at an elementary school in central China on Friday, state media reported, the latest in a series of attacks on children in the country.

The man attacked the children at the gate of a school in Chenpeng village in Henan province, the Xinhua news agency reported.

Police arrested a 36-year-old man, identified as villager Min Yingjun, Xinhua said. It did not give further details of the extent of the injuries.

Ax-wielding man kills 3 kids, wounds 13 in China

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Series of attacks

There have been a series of attacks on schools and children around China in recent years.

Some were carried out by people who have lost their jobs or felt left out of the country's economic boom.

Read more on China from NBC's Behind the Wall

The rash of violence has prompted public calls for more measures to protect the young in a country where many couples only have one child.

There was a particular string of knife attacks against schoolchildren across the country in early 2010 that killed nearly 20 and wounded more than 50.

In one incident that year, a man slashed 28 children, two teachers and a security guard in a kindergarten in eastern China.

Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

[Gail]

I agree with debjm on this. Guns (or knives or explosives or cars or runaway trains) don't kill people - other people do. You watch - there will be some who will reinforce repeal of the 2nd amendment because of this and other shootings. Taking away the people's rights to bear arms only fuels the potential for anarchy and/or totalitarianism. Do you want to live in a country where only criminals, terrorists, police, and the military (including U.N. troops) are the only ones able to defend themselves?

You might think that is true, but here, criminals get killed just as well as anyone else. Our city just went through a few years of gangland murders- murders of and by young people. And the gang members have lots of guns. Who was defending them?

[Woody]

Does it comfort anyone that the guns used were legally purchased and licensed by the victim of the shooter.

[CoAspen]

The bodies of the children are not yet cold and some people are more concerned about their 'guns'. Oh and by the way..by people who like to do 'God talk'. Really? Is that what SDA's are all about?

[bonnie]

Does it comfort anyone that the guns used were legally purchased and licensed by the victim of the shooter.

Does anyone think that someone bent on this type of evil will be deterred by a stricter gun law. These were legal but if they weren't,would breaking the law to obtain one stop someone willing to commit murder?Especially of this magnitude

[Gibs]

When guns are outlawed, then only the outlaw will have guns and not just any old gun, he'll have full auto's, not just semi autos.

What good is a pepper spray can against an automatic weapon?

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.