This is Information All SDA's Should Know Of

[BobRyan]

Ellen White was a sock puppet for James White & the other SDA big wigs....

...So of course she would have rolled in Freemasonry.

...Anyone who looks at the lithograph and denies Masonry.

...Just can't deal with the truth.

Besides, Masonry is a big time "Prot" party....

...Who cares if Ellen gorged herself on Masonic teachings.

...And these teachings found expression in her material?

...What difference does it make?

Factless ranting such as the above -contribute nothing to the thread.

We already knew that - but sometimes I enjoy stating the obvious.

in Christ,

Bob

[BobRyan]

Ellen White spoke out very strongly against any acceptance at all of the Mason religion or entering into it at all when confronted by members that had unwittingly joined it.

in Christ,

Bob

[Gibs]

Yes she did and any secret society. We can be sure she was not of any secret organization.

However it is clear she was surrounded by it and I won't go into it as any can find it if they want.

Just shun it as she did and watch for them in your clergy.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[Hair]

These are my general thoughts about the masons after my time spent with them as an active member before I left.

1.) The secret handshakes, code words, etc. of the masons really serve as a nostalgic tool to bond them; something that a group of people share which serves as a tie.

2.) The secrets also serve as a tool to spark the curiosity of others provoking membership. Lots of nosey people hate the masons, just for that reason; they can't stand not to know everything. LOL One of the things about becoming a mason is that you are not to ask anyone to be a mason, but wait for them to ask you how. The secrets are part of the intrigue.

3.) Most of the guys in the masons are "good" guys who want to be part of something bigger and help their fellow man in some way or another but don't really know how to do it alone... that's one of the reasons I was setting there one night and thought, "If this is what I'm really looking for, I should be putting my energy into church instead."

4.) The BIGGEST thing in the masons, and really what it is all about, at least my lodge, came down to one thing: raising money for the Shriner's hospital for crippled and burned children. 90% of all our efforts went to this cause. That's what it was all about... and when we were not working for the hospital we were collecting for some poor widow or needy family and taking them groceries or repairing their home or something... and we always tried to do it secretly, if possible, and not even let them know where the help came from. That was the fun part.

Every lodge has it's own little personality, like churches do. Maybe certain of them are secretly running the world, maybe somewhere they perform devil worship, I do not know? But honestly, I can not say one bad thing about those guys. We NEVER met and discussed taking over the world or worshipping the Sun etc. I promise, if we did, I'd love to tell you guys all about it, I'd love to tell it!! but we NEVER did ANYTHING like that... at least not in my lodge. That was one of the things most difficult about quitting, because they were like, "What have we done wrong to you brother, why are you quitting? We love you. Have we done something wrong? You can be an SDA, that's good, they're good people, we approve of that, etc."... it was sad, because they were/are good guys. Our secretary was in his 80's and he was the sweetest humblest old guy. He always helped me with my memory work. He has passed now. We would sit beside his garden and drink tea as he went over things with me, because nothing is supposed to be written down.

One more thing, and I don't mean to take up for them so much, because my commitment is to the church and God, but I'm just stating the facts of MY experience... They do not run down or speak lowly of the SDA's or any other church. Some churches attack them but they do not speak bad of any churches. At least not at my lodge during my time, other places may be different, I do not know... But a lot of these guys showed more of Jesus' character than people I meet from various churches.

[Hair]

Gustave - LOL _ I love a person who aint afraid to speak his part. LOL - "sock puppet" - LOL - I love it - I don't know if she was or wasn't, but you sure put it out there! LOL - No one is wondering what you're thinking. I bet you're a colorful character in life.

I bet it'd be cool setting in SS with you :)

[Gerr]

Ellen White was a sock puppet for James White & the other SDA big wigs....

...So of course she would have rolled in Freemasonry.

...Anyone who looks at the lithograph and denies Masonry.

...Just can't deal with the truth.

Besides, Masonry is a big time "Prot" party....

...Who cares if Ellen gorged herself on Masonic teachings.

...And these teachings found expression in her material?

...What difference does it make?

ESV | ý2 Ch 36:15 The LORD, the God of their fathers, sent persistently to them by his messengers, because he had compassion on his people and on his dwelling place. ý16 But they kept mocking the messengers of God, despising his words and scoffing at his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD rose against his people, until there was no remedy.

ESV | ýMt 23:37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!

[Gustave]

Ellen White spoke out very strongly against any acceptance at all of the Mason religion or entering into it at all when confronted by members that had unwittingly joined it.

in Christ,

Bob

Are you denying that Ellen White contributed to the following then?

[img:center]https://www.jesusisfreedom.net/uploads/6/5/7/4/6574805/9396133.jpg?628

[Gerr]

"This web page cannot be displayed."

[Naomi]

Yes Gerry it can't be displayed. Interesting, wouldn't you say.

[Hair]

If you'll go to the site jesusisfreedom.net and look on there under occult churches, there's an area on there that speaks to masons and SDA's, that's probably what he's talking about. Its fairly easy to find.

Maybe you guys can answer me this: Something that has always bothered me. I've always heard that EGW was buried on the Sabbath and her grave tombstone is a Sun obelisk thingy. Why did they do that? Why would we take a chance on something like that, knowing that it could and would be used against us some day? Is there reasoning behind her tombstone or did they pick that type of tombstone just at random or what? It sure has been a thorn in our side. Why would they do that?

[Gibs]

EGW knew what an Egyptian obelisk was and personally I wonder if her son's were to see to that chore of the stomes on the graves.

They probably convinced her they were the stone of the day. How convinced we can't know unless someone can dig up some history I haven't read.

James died some before her.

“At this point the grandeur of the valley Lucerna attains its height.” “Immediately behind Bobbio shoots up the ‘Barion,’ symmetrical as an Egyptian obelisk, but far taller and more massive. Its summit rises three thousand feet above the roofs of the little town. Compared with this majestic monolith, the proudest monument of Europe's proudest capital is a mere toy. Yet even the ‘Barion’ is but one item in this assemblage of glories. Overtopping it behind, and sweeping round the extremity of the valley, is a glorious amphitheater of crags and precipices, inclosed by a background of great mountains, some rounded like domes, others sharp as needles.” “In this unrivaled amphitheater sits Bobbio, in summer buried in blossoms and fruit, and in winter wrapped in the shadows of its great mountains, and the mist of their tempests.” “A carpet of rich meadows clothes the valley from side to side; fruit-trees fleck it with their shadows; the Pellice waters it; and on either hand is a wall of mountains.” “Over these are hung stupendous battlements of rocks; and above all, towering high in the air, are the everlasting peaks in their robes of ice and snow.” {HS 241.4}

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[Gibs]

Gustave,

If you want folks to see what is here at this link you gave you will need to correct it,

[img:center]https://www.jesusisfreedom.net/uploads/6/5/7/4/6574805/9396133.jpg?628

It does not get us anywhere.

[Hair]

Maybe this:

http://www.jesusisfreedom.net/seventh-day-adventists-symbols.html

or this

http://www.jesusisfreedom.net/the-masonic-beginning-of-the-seventh-day-adventists.html

or this

http://www.jesusisfreedom.net/ellen-g-white-masonic-markings.html

[Stan]

This is clear part of the great commission, "Go ye into all the world, proclaiming useless babble about the freemasons."

[Stan]

another thread by someone who is not attending a adventist church and doing their best to discredit the Church and find people who will agree with them and reinforce their delusions that they are doing the right thing.

Wolfs in sheep's clothing..

[Stan]

Here is a great site for the gullible.

[Hair]

What difference do the signs make anyway. So what if they happen to be similar to some old masonic signs. What are we teaching... I think that is what tells the story. We preach Jesus, not Sun worship, there's no denying that.

So what if EGW has a Sun obelisk for a tombstone. Nice looking stone and points upward to God if you ask me. I think sometimes we get too carried away over symbols and things.

[Stan]

amen

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

Here is a great site for the gullible.

LOL

My grandfather, great grandfather, and great great grandfather were all 33rd degree Masons. On all accounts, they were great men, humanitarians, and helped those in need - regardless of race, creed, or financial circumstances. Yes, there were secrets, as Hair posted, but not dangerous to those who mind their own business. My grandfather did remark, though, that "once a Mason, always a Mason," and they are bound by an oath of secrecy, which, if violated, can have some rather disastrous results...

When my mom decided to travel by train from Indiana out West to live, my grandfather gave her his Masonic ring. He told her that if she ran into a problem, she should show any of the railroad employees the ring, and they would help her.

[Gibs]

The whole point is, can we serve two Gods?

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[CoAspen]

Stan,

I think this is about the best advice that could be given to such conspiracies and the addiction to such!!

Quote:

Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup.

[Guest]

Here is a great site for the gullible.

Yep. The gullible, the easily distracted, the half deep thinkers, etc. etc.

[Gustave]

Gustave - LOL _ I love a person who aint afraid to speak his part. LOL - "sock puppet" - LOL - I love it - I don't know if she was or wasn't, but you sure put it out there! LOL - No one is wondering what you're thinking. I bet you're a colorful character in life.

I bet it'd be cool setting in SS with you

I call it like I see it and what I'm seeing isn't very good....

...Freemasonry advocates a "peccable creature Christ".

...And that's IDENTICAL to the peccable creature Christ Ellen advocated.

Sitting in SS?

[Gibs]

I would admonish all to read well and closely what EGW wrote of Free Masonry, just in one instance!

" There are those who question whether it is right for Christians to belong to the Free Masons and other secret societies. Let all such consider the scriptures just quoted. If we are Christians at all, we must be Christians everywhere, and must consider and heed the counsel given to make us Christians according to the standard of God's Word. . . . {Ev 618.1}

When we accepted Christ as our Redeemer, we accepted the condition of becoming laborers together with God. We made a covenant with Him to be wholly for the Lord; as faithful stewards of the grace of Christ, to labor for the upbuilding of His kingdom in the world. Every follower of Christ stands pledged to dedicate all his powers, of mind and soul and body, to Him who has paid the ransom money for our souls. We engaged to be soldiers, to enter into active service, to endure trials, shame, reproach, to fight the fight of faith, following the Captain of our salvation. {Ev 618.2}

In your connection with worldly societies, are you keeping your covenant with God? Do these associations tend to direct your own mind or that of others to God, or are they diverting the interest and attention from Him? Do they strengthen your connection with the divine agencies, or turn your mind to the human in place of the divine? {Ev 618.3}

Are you serving, honoring, and magnifying God, or are you dishonoring Him and sinning against Him? Are you gathering with Christ or scattering abroad? All the thought and plan and earnest interest devoted to these organizations, has been purchased by the precious blood of Christ; but are you doing service for Him when uniting yourselves with atheists and infidels, men who profane the name of God, tipplers, drunkards, tobacco devotees? {Ev 618.4}

While there may be in these societies much that appears to be good, there is, mingled with this, very much that makes the good of no effect, and renders these associations detrimental to the interests of the soul. . . . {Ev 619.1}

I ask you who take pleasure in these associations, who love the gathering for indulgence in wit and merriment and feasting, Do you take Jesus with you? Are you seeking to save the souls of your companions? Is that the object of your association with them? Do they see and feel that there is in you a living embodiment of the Spirit of Christ? Is it manifest that you are a witness for Christ, that you belong to a peculiar people, zealous of good works? Is it manifest that your life is governed by the divine precepts, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind," and, "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself"?.... {Ev 619.2}

Those who cannot discern between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not, may be charmed with these societies that have no connection with God, but no earnest Christian can prosper in such an atmosphere. The vital air of heaven is not there. His soul is barren, and he feels as destitute of the refreshing of the Holy Spirit as were the hills of Gilboa of dew and rain." {Ev 619.3}

The God of Masonry is not Christ!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[Guest]

Ellen White was a sock puppet for James White & the other SDA big wigs....

...So of course she would have rolled in Freemasonry.

...Anyone who looks at the lithograph and denies Masonry.

...Just can't deal with the truth.

Besides, Masonry is a big time "Prot" party....

...Who cares if Ellen gorged herself on Masonic teachings.

...And these teachings found expression in her material?

...What difference does it make?