Robert Posted May 12, 2015 Author Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) You take issue when I quote from the Spirit of Prophecy, but in your posts you post links to Sequeira. This seems rather inconsistent. I don't mind your posting links to Sequeira, but if you're going to do that, then other posters should be able to use similar means, shouldn't they? The Spirit of Prophecy isn't the final word. She was not infallible and she had only a glimmer of light. Sequeira studied Paul in-depth. That's why I quote him....Paul is part of God's infallible word. Edited May 12, 2015 by Robert Quote
Robert Posted May 12, 2015 Author Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) Forsaken of God: "“The temptation that Christ experienced can never be fully understood by men.... The withdrawal of the Divine Countenance from the Savior in this hour of supreme anguish pierced His heart with a sorrow that can never be fully understood by man.” Ellen White But some will argue, “How could Christ die the second death? He predicted His resurrection, and He actually rose the third day. How could He experience it?” First of all, the Bible says so. Heb. 2:9: “He tasted death for all men.” It could not be the first death because believers who accept Christ still have to die the first death. Then look at what Paul says in 2 Tim. 1:7-10. He says that Christ, through the cross, has “abolished death.” If He abolished death why do Christians die? Because He abolished only the second death, not the first death. Rev. 20:6 tells us that those who have part in the first resurrection, i.e., the believers, on such the second death has no power. Why? Because there was One who was willing to go through it for us, to taste it. The thing that we need to realize is what we call in theology, “the kenosis doctrine,” based on Phil. 2:6-8. When Christ became a man in the incarnation He had to give up not His divinity, but His divine prerogatives, in other words, the independent use of His divinity. Even His God-consciousness had to be given up. Jesus discovered He was God only by revelation. He was not God-conscious as a baby. He had to grow up in knowledge. He had to grow up in everything because He had given up the independent use of His divinity and was made in all things like unto us (Heb. 2:17). Therefore, He was totally God-dependent all through His earthly ministry. John 5:30 says, “I can do nothing of myself.” John 6:57 says, “I live by the Father.” See also John 8:28 and John 14:10. All these texts state very clearly that Christ was totally God-dependent. Then read Rom 6:4; Acts 2:24, 32; Eph. 1:20. All of these texts clearly tell us that it was the Father who raised Christ from the dead. Keep these two things in mind: Christ was God-dependent, and He was dependent on the Father for the resurrection. Don’t ask me what happened to His divine consciousness when He was in the grave. Where was His divine life? I don’t know. It’s a mystery. We will spend eternity studying that, but I do know one thing, it was the Father He was depending on for the resurrection just like everything else. Do you know what the Father did on the cross? Christ cried out: “Father, Father why have you forsaken me?” What He meant is not “Why are you leaving me for three days?” but, “Why have You abandoned Me?” Do you know what that meant to Christ? It meant that the hope of the resurrection went with that abandonment. When the Father forsook Him in terms of Christ’s feeling, then the hope of the resurrection went with it. Jesus was now “treading the winepress alone.” He could no longer look on the Father with hope and assurance as far as His feelings were concerned. He felt the agony of God-abandonment, exactly what the wicked will feel when mercy no longer pleads with the guilty race. See total context: http://www.jacksequeira.org/cross2.htm Edited May 12, 2015 by Robert Quote
pnattmbtc Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Really? Luke 22:41 And He withdrew from them about a stone's throw, and He knelt down and began to pray, 42 saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done." What is this cup? Is it not God abandonment, the 2nd death? 53 "While I was with you daily in the temple, you did not lay hands on Me (why? Because God was with Christ); but this hour and the power of darkness are yours." John 19:10 So Pilate said to Him, "You do not speak to me? Do You not know that I have authority to release You, and I have authority to crucify You?" 11 Jesus answered, "You would have no authority over Me, unless it had been given you from above.... Clearly God "handed over" Christ to the surrounding destructive forces. That's abandonment. Christ tasted the 2nd death for all men because the hope of the resurrection (God the Father) abandoned Christ. If what you mean by "God abandonment" is that God permitted Christ to be harmed by destructive forces, I agree with that. However, God was never closer to Jesus than He was at the cross. Quote Christ exalted the character of God, attributing to him the praise, and giving to him the credit, of the whole purpose of his own mission on earth,--to set men right through the revelation of God.
pnattmbtc Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Yes.... I'm glad I represented your thought correctly. Let's say the mother of the child was a Satan-worshipper, and raised the child to hate God. Your idea is that it makes no difference whatsoever how that child is raised as far as its eternal destiny is concerned, provided the child is fortunate enough to die soon enough. Also if you idea were correct, than infanticide would be a cause for rejoicing, because it would mean one more soul in the kingdom. There are horrifically bad consequences to your idea if carried to its logical conclusion, and this is in no way what Paul is discussing in Romans 5. Quote Christ exalted the character of God, attributing to him the praise, and giving to him the credit, of the whole purpose of his own mission on earth,--to set men right through the revelation of God.
pnattmbtc Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 That word "love" is agape. Agape is not self-seeking...so you tell me, are you keeping this law? If not, then God must abandon you to the 2nd death. Just that simple. Or you can accept the gospel where you were legally saved from under law to under grace. But again, no one has explained to me how that was legally accomplished. You're talking about this, right? "BTW, no one answered my question: How can God justify the ungodly [Romans 4:5] and still maintain His integrity to His holy law which condemns sinners [Galatians 3:10]? Keep in mind that no law will allow an innocent person to die for the crime of a guilty one!" Here's an answer to your question: God justifies the ungodly. No others need justification. But mark that he does not justify ungodliness. That would be to call evil good, and to deny himself. But he justifies or makes righteous the ungodly, and that is just what they need. He justifies the believing sinner by making him a new man in Christ Jesus, and this he can do and still be just. To make a new man in righteousness is perfectly in harmony with his own character as Creator. Regarding being abandoned to the 2nd death, God will abandon a person to the second death if they abandon Him. The Holy Spirit is drawing us to repentance, and if we do not resist, we will be led to the foot of the cross and be made new creatures in Christ. Quote Christ exalted the character of God, attributing to him the praise, and giving to him the credit, of the whole purpose of his own mission on earth,--to set men right through the revelation of God.
Samie Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 If somebody murders an infant, it's not the infant's fault. The infant is assured of heaven, having been born with his name written in the book of life. But the act of the murderer is proof that he is overcome of evil instead of him overcoming the evil with good. If he dies NOT an overcomer, his name will be blotted out from the book of life. Quote
pnattmbtc Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 The Spirit of Prophecy isn't the final word. She was not infallible and she had only a glimmer of light. Sequeira studied Paul in-depth. That's why I quote him....Paul is part of God's infallible word. Ellen White wrote: “I do not write one article in the paper expressing merely my own ideas. They are what God has opened before me in vision—the precious rays of light shining from the throne.” "Sister White is not the originator of these books. They contain the instruction that during her lifework God has been giving her. They contain the precious comforting light that God has graciously given His servant to be given to the world." (this is kind of cool; she refers to herself in the third person) “In ancient times God spoke to men by the mouth of the prophets and apostles. In these days he speaks to them by the Testimonies of his Spirit. There was never a time when God instructed his people more earnestly than he instructs them now concerning his will, and the course he would have them pursue.” Regarding inspiration, she wrote, “‘The Bible is written by inspired men, but it is not God's mode of thought and expression. It is that of humanity. God, as a writer, is not represented. Men will often say such an expression is not like God. But God has not put Himself in words, in logic, in rhetoric, on trial in the Bible. The writers of the Bible were God's penmen, not His pen. Look at the different writers. “‘It is not the words of the Bible that are inspired, but the men that were inspired. Inspiration acts not on the man's words or his expressions, but on the man himself, who, under the influence of the Holy Ghost, is imbued with thoughts. But the words receive the impress of the individual mind. The divine mind is diffused. The divine mind and will is combined with the human mind and will; thus the utterances of the man are the Word of God.’” This is as applicable to her writings as it is Scripture. I feel strange writing this, as I'm usually on the other side of this question. That is, I'll quote Jones or Waggoner, and the people with whom I'm having a discussion will only want to quote Ellen White, and I'll point out that she herself said that Waggoner could teach righteousness by faith better than she could, and that God had not given the same gift to every person. I see no problem with your quoting Sequeira, just with how you're treating Ellen White. Regarding Sequeria, I have trouble believing he would countenance your idea regarding children before the age of accountability, that every one of them will be saved. Can you quote some statement of his to this effect? phkrause 1 Quote Christ exalted the character of God, attributing to him the praise, and giving to him the credit, of the whole purpose of his own mission on earth,--to set men right through the revelation of God.
pnattmbtc Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Forsaken of God: "“The temptation that Christ experienced can never be fully understood by men.... The withdrawal of the Divine Countenance from the Savior in this hour of supreme anguish pierced His heart with a sorrow that can never be fully understood by man.” Ellen White See total context: http://www.jacksequeira.org/cross2.htm Notice this: "When the Father forsook Him in terms of Christ’s feeling, then the hope of the resurrection went with it." Sequeira wrote, "in terms of Christ's feeling" which is exactly the same point I made! Quote Christ exalted the character of God, attributing to him the praise, and giving to him the credit, of the whole purpose of his own mission on earth,--to set men right through the revelation of God.
Samie Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 How does God justify us? Christ was resurrected for our justification (Rom 4:25). By NOT imputing against us the sins currently committed (2 Cor 5:18 ,19), God through Christ is continually justifying us. And the Father says He will remember our sins NO MORE (Heb 10:17). But the act of sinning proves one is not yet an overcomer of evil (Rom 12:21)l. And only overcomers will not be blotted out from the book of life (Rev 3:5). Quote
pnattmbtc Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 If somebody murders an infant, it's not the infant's fault. The infant is assured of heaven, having been born with his name written in the book of life. But the act of the murderer is proof that he is overcome of evil instead of him overcoming the evil with good. If he dies NOT an overcomer, his name will be blotted out from the book of life. Your idea means that the acts of the parents have absolutely no bearing on a child's salvation before the age of accountability. Also the logical implication would be that we, or someone, should murder all infants to make sure they get to heaven. You don't see a problem with this? We know that God will be just, and knowing God's character, we may infer that God will take all to heaven who would be happy there. But we have no reason to expect that we could, for example, raise children to hate God and as long as they die soon enough they will go to heaven. There is nothing in Scripture to suggest such an idea. Rev. 3:5 says, "The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life,but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels. (NIV)" This letter is being addressed to people who are followers of Christ. Christ is saying that as long as we are faithful to Him, He will not blot out our name from the book of life. He's not saying that everyone's name is written in the book of life to start with. We can think of it this way. God wants people to be in heaven. Anyone who would be happy in heaven, God will take there. If a person wouldn't be happy in heaven, God won't take him there. What would be the point of God's not taking someone to heaven who would by happy there, or taking someone to heaven who wouldn't be happy there? Neither of these makes any sense. This leads to the question of what would cause a person to be happy in heaven. A simple answer is that a converted person would be happy in heaven, and an unconverted person would not be happy. But when it comes to infants, it's not so clear, as we don't have much light about this. Inspiration tells us it's very important how children are raised, but not about the destiny of every infant. Quote Christ exalted the character of God, attributing to him the praise, and giving to him the credit, of the whole purpose of his own mission on earth,--to set men right through the revelation of God.
Samie Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 God has already shown us in a vision given to the prophet Isaiah of little children in the new earth (Isa 11:6-9) that little children dying at infancy and before the age of reason are destined for the new earth. Since all whose names are not found written in the book of life will be thrown into the lake of fire (Rev 20:15), then the little children in the new earth have their names in the book of life (Rev 21:27). Quote
Samie Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 It's not murdering the little children that makes sure of their heavenly destiny; it's the fact that we - descendants of Adam & Eve - were all born with our names written in the book of life. Quote
LifeHiscost Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 That doesn't tell me one thing on how God saved you in Christ. You must turn to Paul for help.... Maybe this will help, Robert. 16“For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him. 18“There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son. 19And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. 20All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed. 21But those who do what is right come to the light so others can see that they are doing what God wants.g”...John 3 God is Love! Jesus saves! Quote Lift Jesus up!!
8thdaypriest Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 I have to disagree with both of you, genesis7 and eightdaypriest on this. Jesus did not break the Sabbath. He was accused of breaking a man-made rule that made the Sabbath a burden on the people. And, He was accused by men who taught that they were to be believed even if one of them said the sky is green and another one of them said the sky is not green. Both statements were to be taken as the voice of God and both statements had to be accepted as true. These accusers of Christ were also murderers. They were planning the murder of Christ at the time they accused Him of breaking the Sabbath. They even broke their own manmade laws and taught the people to break the laws given by God through Moses. Their hypocrisy was tremendous, and to take their accusation as being truth is an insult to Christ. Not sure why you are disagreeing with me. I posted that Jesus did NOT break the Sabbath - ever. He - as "Lord of the Sabbath" sets the standard for what is lawful or right to do on the Sabbath (not the Pharisees). Quote 8thdaypriest
8thdaypriest Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 I'd love to, but you aren't giving the complete gospel. What makes it possible for Christ forgive sin? What gives Him the legal right to call you perfect in Himself? The answer is the gospel.... God the Father is "the head of Christ". (I Cor 11:3). God the Father is the source of all. God the Father decreed that the one fulfilling the TERMS of COVENANT would receive and retain dominion. THAT was the Father's LAW. John 5:22 "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, (NKJ). THAT is your legal basis, for why/how God can save us. (If Jesus has "dominion" of earth, and I live on the earth, then Jesus decides my future.) The Father did this BECAUSE His son became a human being, and lived without sin, and by so doing, fulfilled the TERMS of the Covenant with mankind (and the covenant of Sinai). He will receive "dominion" of earth, and will judge everyone ON the earth. Then He will share that dominion with those He has redeemed from among men. He paid the "redemption price" to recover our land and our inheritance. The way I understand it, is that Jesus bought us (mankind) more time - a "grace" period, called probation. Instead of being wiped out the moment that Adam ate the fruit, life for the human race would be prolonged and preserved, giving them TIME to learn of the character of God vs that of Satan. Time to CHOOSE whom they would serve. He did NOT set aside "the Law". He simply bought a "grace" period. Quote 8thdaypriest
8thdaypriest Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 In the END, God will judge Satan as the ultimate and root cause of ALL SIN - including yours and mine. That means - God will execute Satan for my sins. THAT is the legal MEANS - to move the guilt from me, to Christ, and then to Satan. My sins will finally END UP on Satan. I will be free of them. AND Jesus will be free of them. Jesus death PROVED that sin murders good. Evil kills everything. It is all consuming. ONLY God can stop it. But even He will not do that UNTIL His redeemed UNDERSTAND why it is necessary. When I cry, "Jesus save me." I don't just mean preserve my life in a beautiful kingdom. I mean, "Heal me, so I STOP SINNING." Now - Jesus COULD do that instantly. He could just take over our minds. But He doesn't want robots. So the process takes a long time. Some things we learn more quickly. Like the child learns not to touch the stove top. It doesn't take more than one burned finger. For other things, the more often we seem to "get away with it" - no immediate consequences, the longer it will take for us to learn - to abhor that behavior. It takes a long time, and a lot of pain, before some of us can even "see" the sin in ourselves, much less come to abhor it. Quote 8thdaypriest
pnattmbtc Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 God the Father is "the head of Christ". (I Cor 11:3). God the Father is the source of all. God the Father decreed that the one fulfilling the TERMS of COVENANT would receive and retain dominion. THAT was the Father's LAW. John 5:22 "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, (NKJ). THAT is your legal basis, for why/how God can save us. (If Jesus has "dominion" of earth, and I live on the earth, then Jesus decides my future.) The Father did this BECAUSE His son became a human being, and lived without sin, and by so doing, fulfilled the TERMS of the Covenant with mankind (and the covenant of Sinai). He will receive "dominion" of earth, and will judge everyone ON the earth. Then He will share that dominion with those He has redeemed from among men. He paid the "redemption price" to recover our land and our inheritance. The way I understand it, is that Jesus bought us (mankind) more time - a "grace" period, called probation. Instead of being wiped out the moment that Adam ate the fruit, life for the human race would be prolonged and preserved, giving them TIME to learn of the character of God vs that of Satan. Time to CHOOSE whom they would serve. He did NOT set aside "the Law". He simply bought a "grace" period. I've read that "believing is to grace as breathing is to air." The Spirit of Prophecy says the there is an atmosphere of grace surrounding the earth as real as the air we breath. This grace is provided at infinite cost -- the life of Christ. This grace gives us all physical life ("never one, saint or sinner, partakes of his daily bread, but he is nourished by the body and blood of Christ") and will give us eternal life, if we do not resist the goodness of God which leads us to repentence. Quote Christ exalted the character of God, attributing to him the praise, and giving to him the credit, of the whole purpose of his own mission on earth,--to set men right through the revelation of God.
pnattmbtc Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 God the Father is "the head of Christ". (I Cor 11:3). God the Father is the source of all. God the Father decreed that the one fulfilling the TERMS of COVENANT would receive and retain dominion. THAT was the Father's LAW. John 5:22 "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, (NKJ). THAT is your legal basis, for why/how God can save us. (If Jesus has "dominion" of earth, and I live on the earth, then Jesus decides my future.) The Father did this BECAUSE His son became a human being, and lived without sin, and by so doing, fulfilled the TERMS of the Covenant with mankind (and the covenant of Sinai). He will receive "dominion" of earth, and will judge everyone ON the earth. Then He will share that dominion with those He has redeemed from among men. He paid the "redemption price" to recover our land and our inheritance. The way I understand it, is that Jesus bought us (mankind) more time - a "grace" period, called probation. Instead of being wiped out the moment that Adam ate the fruit, life for the human race would be prolonged and preserved, giving them TIME to learn of the character of God vs that of Satan. Time to CHOOSE whom they would serve. He did NOT set aside "the Law". He simply bought a "grace" period. I have a feeling there are ways to use this software I'm not aware of. At any rate, a couple of comments. First of all, I really like the last paragraph of what you wrote very much. Secondly, regarding the transference of sins to Satan and his execution, sins are not something which can literally be transferred from one being to another. A sin is an act of the will; a behavior of some sort, an act or a thought. It's not possible to transfer behavior from one being to another. Like much of Scripture, this imagery is intended to get across a point, and I believe the point is that Satan will be held responsible for his part in the Great Controversy. Satan, as the author of sin and all its results, is indicrectly responsible for all sin, but there is responsibility for sin which we also bear. Without Christ, bearing this responsibility for our sin would kill us. It does kill the wicked. Quote Christ exalted the character of God, attributing to him the praise, and giving to him the credit, of the whole purpose of his own mission on earth,--to set men right through the revelation of God.
Robert Posted May 12, 2015 Author Posted May 12, 2015 Moot point....The child is not at the point of making cognitive decisions. He has not reached the age of accountability... Quote
Robert Posted May 12, 2015 Author Posted May 12, 2015 So what Christ does in the believer is the gospel? If so, then the believer can stand justified before God's law through his works of the law. That's Romanism at its best. It's legalism and anti-gospel. Quote
Robert Posted May 12, 2015 Author Posted May 12, 2015 Sequeira does not think for me, neither does EGW. They won't be at the gate with an examine for my entrance into heaven. Therefore I quote folks whom I agree with....I'm not sure if Sequeira agrees or not..... Quote
Robert Posted May 12, 2015 Author Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) Sequeira does not think for me, neither does EGW. They won't be at the gate with an examine for my entrance into heaven. Therefore I quote folks whom I agree with....I'm not sure if Sequeira agrees or not..... Notice this: "When the Father forsook Him in terms of Christ’s feeling, then the hope of the resurrection went with it." Sequeira wrote, "in terms of Christ's feeling" which is exactly the same point I made! "The withdrawal of the Divine Countenance from the Savior" is what Ellen states....I agree. Christ couldn't detect His father. For all purposes He was gone and Christ was abandoned. Edited May 12, 2015 by Robert Quote
pnattmbtc Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Sequeira does not think for me, neither does EGW. They won't be at the gate with an examine for my entrance into heaven. Therefore I quote folks whom I agree with....I'm not sure if Sequeira agrees or not..... 16 hours ago, pnattmbtc said: Notice this: "When the Father forsook Him in terms of Christ’s feeling, then the hope of the resurrection went with it." Sequeira wrote, "in terms of Christ's feeling" which is exactly the same point I made! "The withdrawal of the Divine Countenance from the Savior" is what Ellen states....I agree. Christ couldn't detect His father. For all purposes He was gone and Christ was abandoned. Your argument seems to be based on Romans 5:12-18. There are at least two problems I see with your argument. One is that your argument regarding children before the age of acocuntability is not the argument Paul is making. You are contradicting a well know tennant of hermenutics in trying to make a broader application to what's being stated than what the original writer intended. This is the sort of reasoning that winds up with the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man "proving" the man has an imoortal soul. Paul is not making the argument that every human being will be saved who does not retain his legal status of justification. The second problem is that this theory leads to a bad place. That is, if it were true, then infanticide would be good. We could drop a nuclear bomb on a country and save for eternity all the people before the age of accountability. I'm a bit incredulous that the logical difficulty of such a position isn't obvious. It also leads to the conclusion that, until the age of accountability, it makes absolutely no difference how a person is raised. How could that possibly be true? A person's character would have to be changed for this to be the case (that is, in order for this young person to be taken to heaven) and that would be contrary to the principle of free will. A person at the age of 7 years 364 days has a charaacter, don't you agree? (I'm going under the assumption that the hypothecial age of accountability is 8 years old). Assuming this person has been raised to hate God, to be self-centered, etc., how is this person going to be happy in heaven? To follow your principle (with which I agree) of quoting people with whom I agree, please consider this quote: "Those who have chosen Satan as their leader and have been controlled by his power are not prepared to enter the presence of God. Pride, deception, licentiousness, cruelty, have become fixed in their characters. Can they enter heaven to dwell forever with those whom they despised and hated on earth? Truth will never be agreeable to a liar; meekness will not satisfy self-esteem and pride; purity is not acceptable to the corrupt; disinterested love does not appear attractive to the selfish. What source of enjoyment could heaven offer to those who are wholly absorbed in earthly and selfish interests?" Do you disagree with the points being made here? Do you think it's possible that those who have cnotroled by Satan can enter heaven and be happy there? Or do you think children before the age of accountability cannot be controlled by Satan? Or that they don't have characters? How do you get around the problem that these children have made thousands, if not millions of decisions, directed against the principles of heaven, and have formed a character which contradicts the principles of heaven. How can they be happy in heaven? Will God change their character? Quote Christ exalted the character of God, attributing to him the praise, and giving to him the credit, of the whole purpose of his own mission on earth,--to set men right through the revelation of God.
pnattmbtc Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Robert, regarding your question about what I think the gospel entails, I will repeat what I posted earlier. I understand that by virsture of Christ's coporporate work, we were saved from the second death, and we live physically. "To the death of Christ, we owe even this early life." "Never one, saint or sinner, eats his daily food, but he is nourished by the body and the blood of Christ." So even our physical existance, we owe an infinite debt to Christ. Even if we chose to reject Christ, we would still owe an infinite debt to Him, as the choice was purchased with an infinite price. When the sinner recognizes the love of God revealed in Christ, if He does not resist, he will repent and by justified by faith. There is an objective reality, that everything we have and are and do is of infinite value because it was purchased by Christ, and a subjective reality, we can be brought into harmony with God if we do not resist the Holy Spirit, who informs of the objective reality. We subjectively experince objective reality by faith. Quote Christ exalted the character of God, attributing to him the praise, and giving to him the credit, of the whole purpose of his own mission on earth,--to set men right through the revelation of God.
pnattmbtc Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) Quoting Sequeira: "In this gospel, God has obtained salvation full and complete for all humanity, so that in Christ mankind stands perfect and complete before God and His holy law [Colossians 2:10; Romans 10:4]. This salvation delivers from three predicaments that sinful humanity faces. They are:Salvation from the guilt and punishment of sin.Salvation from the power and slavery of sin.Salvation from the nature and presence of sin.The first salvation is the means of our justification; the second is the means of our sanctification; and the third is the means of our glorification. It is important that every believer realize that while Christians can claim justification as an already established fact [Romans 5:1], sanctification is an ongoing, present continuous, experience [1 Thessalonians 4:2-7; 5:23]; and glorification is a future hope to be realized at the second coming of Christ [Romans 8:24-25; Philippians 3:20-21].All three aspects of salvation have already been accomplished or fulfilled in the birth, life, death, and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. Hence all three aspects of salvation are offered to mankind in Christ and they cannot be separated. Whom God has justified He will glorify, provided we do not turn our backs on Him through unbelief [Romans 8:30; Hebrews 10:38-39]. In view of this, all three aspects of salvation constitute the Good News of salvation, and since they all come to us in one parcel, Jesus Christ, they are inseparable and we cannot choose to receive one without the other. "(emphasis mine). Since all three aspects cannot be separated, and all three constitute the "Good News" (i.e. the Gospel), all three are involved in the Gospel. Edited May 12, 2015 by pnattmbtc Quote Christ exalted the character of God, attributing to him the praise, and giving to him the credit, of the whole purpose of his own mission on earth,--to set men right through the revelation of God.
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