GayatfootofCross Posted August 18, 2015 Author Posted August 18, 2015 With all due respect, I have to wonder why it is/was necessary to pass out this type of materials in the church. I think for the same reason why we pass out anything. We are jazzed by it. Who Knows? I don't care to ask. Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
GayatfootofCross Posted August 18, 2015 Author Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) My buddy does not want to go to Church anymore. This is the Camel the Broke the Camels back in his eyes, We can take the SH__! WE get how they are, MY Tribe has seen worst! But do it to 4 friends in a fatal swoop? Now on top of everything else. We need all the prayers! We ARE VERY CLOSE TO THEM. We are a dying CHURCH cause of the culture! ( A REPUGNANT PICTURE OF GOD) I want my Buddy in Church with me no matter what the Church throws. Edited August 18, 2015 by GayatfootofCross Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
Stan Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) The wanna be sociologist who tried to wordsmith that about Adventist, maybe need to rethink somethings When I went through the struggles to become an Adventist, I realized that deciding to become something different than all my friends were, creates a natural order of what I call socio-ostracization, that is a nature occurrence. When people are of one group, and decide to become different what else could happen? If a political liberal leaders change parties, because of conviction, of course he is going to feel out of place with former friends, old friends are going to feel out of place with him/him. Edited August 18, 2015 by Stan Naomi, Kevin H and rudywoofs (Pam) 3 Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
GayatfootofCross Posted August 18, 2015 Author Posted August 18, 2015 The wanna be sociologist who tried to wordsmith that about Adventist, maybe need to rethink somethings When I went through the struggles to become an Adventist, I realized that deciding to become something different than all my friends were, creates a natural order of what I call socio-ostracization, that is a nature occurrence. When people are of one group, and decide to become different what else could happen? If a political liberal leaders change parties, because of conviction, of course he is going to feel out of place with former friends, old friends are going to feel out of place with him/him. yes! I think as the days get closer and the heart gets bigger ..the very natural and normal thing we see in all ourselves will become more supernatural. I'm betting on it! Stan 1 Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
Stan Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Have spoke about this in workshops I have done.. here i a short version There was a farmer... the Ford dealer looked after him, all of his trucks and the trucks of his 5 boys were Ford. The Ford dealer drove out in a blizzard with his newest 4 wheel drive to pick up the famers wife who was about to going labour. All roads were closed, helicopter evacuation was impossible. The Ford dealer gave him interest free credit during bad times, and the farmer always paid his debt. The family was a Ford Family. One day a son came home with a Brand New Chevy, and was so excited about the ride, the gas mileage, the colour EVERYthing. He had to tell everyone one over and over again, about his excitement. The brothers said to each other "Dad would roll over in his grave if he new what he did, the check dealer was never there to help out, Dad was a ford man.. Ford built this family and got us through tough times. What ends up happening with the brother who loves his chevy pick up? I was that one who brought the chevy home, when I became an Adventist (and NO We were not famers) Naomi and Kevin H 2 Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted August 18, 2015 Members Posted August 18, 2015 re: a church ostracizing members because they hand out non-SDA papers: We have had a number of "fringe" SDAs at my home church. One I recall vividly was a Brinsmead adherent in her late 70's, and would hand out and/or mail literature to all in the church directory. She was an oddball type of person, but I can't imagine anyone telling her (or others like her) that she couldn't attend church. I find it totally bizarre to banish someone from a church, except in extraordinary circumstances... Kevin H and JoeMo 2 Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Stan Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 I concor, what gets irritating is when they become vultures on everynew member and visitor.. Shepard's Rod do that today. Kevin H and Naomi 2 Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
CoAspen Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 I thought SR had died off.....since they never got off Mt Carmel for heaven. Last saw I them was my freshman year in college, a long time ago! Quote
GayatfootofCross Posted August 18, 2015 Author Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) Stan I appreciate your sharing in this. I totally get the fear and loathing or whatever we bring when it comes to people Proselytizing in the interest to have them join 'them'. I totally get what transpired before me. and Knowing him (and lovely wife)and their past how he could not help himself in sharing what excites him. I,myself shared that concern when he was warned the first time. I begged a year ago in my Sabbath School teachers own home when we were all visiting one Sabbath afternoon. The Teacher knows what both sides say in this. We all do I knew the Church would come down hard. When the Church people get together (esp.when the Couple is not there )> They don't really like people who disagree with them theologically. Does anyone know any one like that? I see it all the time at the edge of my reading glasses. Here! THEY DISAGREED WITH MEEEE! What do you do when the governing Body of a local Church is like that? let that sink in........ What do you Do when the whole Powers that be in a local church feel dissed or disobeyed and punitive. They are threatened by it and must do something after the FIRST Shot was Fired. So you give the Heave Ho and wipe your hands. I was hoping and praying a Church Body of Christ Mentality world circumvent what ever may come. If that happened. They could get to know them and see them as good earnest clean living Christians instead as a heretic speaking against what we teach in the Church about the 7 Trumpets and do not hold EGW as infallable. But If I have to be honest. When do you ever see a paradigm shift of group of people realizing What Jesus Would Do. (it is ahh mazing) Where people do not really live and trust one another in Connection. .......................... God cares more about how we treat people than the rightness of our theology. I know many scratch their head at that thought..if u really really think about it. My church as of yet, haven't figured that out yet. And I still am to love and forgive. God help us all. Edited August 18, 2015 by GayatfootofCross Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
GayatfootofCross Posted August 18, 2015 Author Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) Okay..You pulled out of me! The Story gets thicker! It was Larry Wilson Books and VHS tapes (then DVD) that got me to go back to God out of where and wha? and who and where! That is why I read eight books... It kept me nightly thriving to dig in my heels to stay true to God no matter what. I started going to the SDA Church in the CA GayBay Area. I was so far from GOD even though He was right there all this time! Imagine! An old staunch Mother Of Israel mailed me his stuff when I called her out of the blue ..reaching out in agony. His Understanding of this kind of God regarding the Swiftness of the Second Coming AND the World Events and a Picture that made me love God more. I am forever Grateful. I like Larry Wilson alot! Now this! with close church friends! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Edited August 18, 2015 by GayatfootofCross Stan 1 Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
Moderators Kevin H Posted August 18, 2015 Moderators Posted August 18, 2015 I really don't care how many "flavors" of adventism there are. What is the biblical flavor? You have given two fairly lengthy posts. Much of what you posted would make the average person's head explode in going to his/her bible for guidance. My dad always cautioned my brothers and I to be wary of two groups. The ultra conservative that expects to slide into heaven on his vegeburger and the liberal who can't lose his salvation now matter how hard he tries and is so open mined his brains would fall out if he bent over. The rules and regulations that the ultra conservative believes will get them eternal life is as dangerous as the liberal that believes loudly proclaiming you love the Lord and that is really all that is required. I'm sorry my posts were heavy. You have a very wise father and frankly his quote is an excellent paraphrase of my second post.As for the flavors of Adventism: Our pioneers were members of a large number of churches with a wide background, but they were kicked out for their love of the Millerite message. They wanted to form a church that agreed upon a few landmarks but outside of the landmarks allow for the liberty to worship according to the dictates of their conscience and not have to worry about being thrown out again because they were not uniform enough. As long as they agreed on the landmarks and were not fanatical they could be members. Also, when they formed the town of Washington NH they formed the town government and school and other things the town needed. However they had difficulty in forming the town church. One group wanted a church that was established where only recognized ministers teaching orthodox ideas could preach. The other group wanted a church where anyone who felt that they had a message were free to share and leave it to the members to evaluate and decide what convinced them to follow and what to reject. The two groups could not get together so they decided to have two churches. One for an established message and one for freedom of expression and diversity in ideas. I don't know what happened to the established church, but the open church developed into what we consider the first Seventh-day Adventist church. [Note: there were some churches in Seventh-day Baptist communities that might dispute the claim that Washington NH was the first but the records are not clear.] When ever they formed a list of our beliefs (such as the 27 turning into the 28) they have traditionally be written somewhat vague to cover a consensuses of our basic beliefs but also leave room for the different flavors. They were specifically written so that they could include some of the more evangelical, the Adventist Theological Society, those who appreciate Graham Maxwell's thought, the Historic Adventists, those who like Jack Sequeira, those who like Robert Wieland, etc. Many of our great leaders had some very strong views but they agreed to disagree and were united on the landmarks and saw the church not as the institution for salvation but as a vessel to bring the gospel to the whole world. In the 1800s we eventually had a conservative publishing house and a liberal publishing house. People wanted the conservative publishing house to take over the liberal one and bring it into line. Mrs. White opposed this saying that we needed the messages from both publishing houses and for them to remain independent of each other. (sadly we have kept the letter of the law but lost the spirit of the law as we made the people in the publishing houses interchangeable.) The Biblical flavor is the flavor we find in Washington NH and among our pioneers. It is the flavor behind our different list of our beliefs over our history. It is the flavors Mrs. White wanted in having both a conservative and a liberal publishing house; the flavor of liberty of conscience. I cringe when one group wants to take away the liberty of conscience from another group. GayatfootofCross 1 Quote
Moderators Kevin H Posted August 18, 2015 Moderators Posted August 18, 2015 As for the other points you brought up, again these are things that our scholars are studying out. All I wanted to do was point out that the texts that we often use as the final proof text are not as clear cut as tradition makes them out to be. That as we study we need to be aware of what the texts are actually saying and what they are not saying. Again I don't have an answer. I can only help with information to consider as we think and study. But it is easier to study and learn as we have information guiding us instead of being guided my merely tradition and what we think the Bible should be saying. Quote
GayatfootofCross Posted August 18, 2015 Author Posted August 18, 2015 As for the other points you brought up, again these are things that our scholars are studying out. All I wanted to do was point out that the texts that we often use as the final proof text are not as clear cut as tradition makes them out to be. That as we study we need to be aware of what the texts are actually saying and what they are not saying. Again I don't have an answer. I can only help with information to consider as we think and study. But it is easier to study and learn as we have information guiding us instead of being guided my merely tradition and what we think the Bible should be saying. Thank you That is what I have been saying since I got here! Thank you, Kevin. ........ Regarding the Upset Everyone! God will keep all hearts Steady for HIM. I trust that. My Buddy liked Larry Wilson stuff and followed him back into Church with me. One of the Reasons He has had it with our Church Now . And the guy Who put that OP on my FB - he was leaving anyways ... He couldn't handle the Culture. God will work in this! He is that Good! It helps me to be reminded of that! But still I don't want to be a Church Widow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and I want to see my Friends at Church..We ain't driving down to the Valley! ...... ok enough of my spilling my guts ... if this thread doesn't die tonight from my blathering ..we can switch gears Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
Stan Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 I thought SR had died off.....since they never got off Mt Carmel for heaven. Last saw I them was my freshman year in college, a long time ago! nah, there is a lot of different branches, groups keep on splitting and splitting Kevin H, Naomi and rudywoofs (Pam) 3 Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
bonnie Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 As for the other points you brought up, again these are things that our scholars are studying out. All I wanted to do was point out that the texts that we often use as the final proof text are not as clear cut as tradition makes them out to be. That as we study we need to be aware of what the texts are actually saying and what they are not saying. Again I don't have an answer. I can only help with information to consider as we think and study. But it is easier to study and learn as we have information guiding us instead of being guided my merely tradition and what we think the Bible should be saying. So we are really left in limbo? Our bible scholars don't know yet what the following means? Before we can determine if a homosexual lifestyle is wrong it needs to wait on bible scholars to determine if this means what is says? for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. Is it just homosexual behavior that must be determined or are we are uncertain about ...fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.” -1 Corinthians 6:9, 10 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper…” -Romans 1:24-28 All I wanted to do was point out that the texts that we often use as the final proof text are not as clear cut as tradition makes them out to be. Is the following based on tradition and must be studied before we know what God really meant by fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God? JUst point out please which of these needs further study before we can say it is wrong. It is pretty clear biblically what God meant by the institution of marriage. One man,one woman. What is there about this sin that is in limbo and needs further study to determine if the bible is accurate. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
bonnie Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 In the 1800s we eventually had a conservative publishing house and a liberal publishing house. People wanted the conservative publishing house to take over the liberal one and bring it into line. Mrs. White opposed this saying that we needed the messages from both publishing houses and for them to remain independent of each other. (sadly we have kept the letter of the law but lost the spirit of the law as we made the people in the publishing houses interchangeable.) The Biblical flavor is the flavor we find in Washington NH and among our pioneers. It is the flavor behind our different list of our beliefs over our history. It is the flavors Mrs. White wanted in having both a conservative and a liberal publishing house; the flavor of liberty of conscience. I cringe when one group wants to take away the liberty of conscience from another group. So the objection to a homosexual lifestyle is a conservative tradition for lack of a better word? One group wanting to take away the liberty of conscience from another group? That there really is a controversy over this,Or maybe just the favored sin of the year. fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.” -1 Corinthians 6:9, 10 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper…” -Romans 1:24-28 Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
bonnie Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 I still am curious as to your definition of a moderate christan SDA Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Administrators debbym Posted August 18, 2015 Administrators Posted August 18, 2015 I had never heard of Larry Wilson, so after reading this thread i found this link to an introduction and and point of view on Larry. http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-U-Z/Wilson.pdf If someone is promoting this guys stuff, and is not responding to requests to not promote it, i don't think the answer is to deny him church attendance, but to request this person to spend time studying with the pastor and studying out areas of concern. These kinds of issues call for patience and prayer, and the Holy Spirit to work with everyone. Let everyone be persuaded in their own mind. I dont know if L.W. is serious enough to remove people from Church attendance for. Maybe it is fanaticism. I have not studied it out, and don't feel it necessary to do so. We struggled with a Jeff Pippenger's divisive presentations in our conference that drew people out of the church and it cost one church many members. He was also into charts and definitions for things. It is a repeated phenomena that of fanaticism charismatic individuals stirring up people like they are the whip of God. A link on a review of Pippender. http://www.lightbearers.org/a-response-to-the-2520-movement/ Fanaticism is an interesting beast. It grows in people and wars against Christ in the name of Christ. When I have encountered it it is always painful and divisive, controlling, and fear based. And it is generally based in some line of thought that is compelling and does not permit any deviation from the thinking of the leader. It does not allow for many kind of minds and individual thinking. I believe people can be fanatical in their way of thinking and hold all the Adventists truths, and be members in good standing. It has to do with how one holds oneself to the truth. Is it a stranglehold held in fear and control, or is it the gentle persuasion of the Holy Spirit and free will gladly given in surrender to the love and worship of God. James 3:1(NLT) But the wisdom from above is first of all pure. It is also peace loving, gentle at all times, and willing to yield to others. It is full of mercy and the fruit of good deeds. It shows no favoritism and is always sincere. Quote deb Love awakens love. Let God be true and every man a liar.
Administrators Naomi Posted August 18, 2015 Administrators Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) I feel that there are other details that we are not privy to. Be that as it may, Larry Wilson is certainly not a friend of SDA's or even of the Bible. However, Gay you stated that he brought you back for which I am thankful. Stan's reference to the Shepherd Rods (there are also other groups who publish and attempt to infiltrate our members with their beliefs) reminded me of how disruptive the Orthodox priest are in some other countries. On a couple of occasions I experienced their attempts to block the message. Much as I wanted to have them removed, it wasn't the right time. Each incident the Lord did it for me. This may be a personal thing, but I would not go into another denomination and hand out radical anti____________ materials inside their church. Somehow it just seems wrong! Edited August 18, 2015 by Naomi rudywoofs (Pam) and GayatfootofCross 2 Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God
GayatfootofCross Posted August 18, 2015 Author Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) I had never heard of Larry Wilson, so after reading this thread i found this link to an introduction and and point of view on Larry. http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-U-Z/Wilson.pdf If someone is promoting this guys stuff, and is not responding to requests to not promote it, i don't think the answer is to deny him church attendance, but to request this person to spend time studying with the pastor and studying out areas of concern. These kinds of issues call for patience and prayer, and the Holy Spirit to work with everyone. Let everyone be persuaded in their own mind. I dont know if L.W. is serious enough to remove people from Church attendance for. Maybe it is fanaticism. I have not studied it out, and don't feel it necessary to do so. We struggled with a Jeff Pippenger's divisive presentations in our conference that drew people out of the church and it cost one church many members. He was also into charts and definitions for things. It is a repeated phenomena that of fanaticism charismatic individuals stirring up people like they are the whip of God. A link on a review of Pippender. http://www.lightbearers.org/a-response-to-the-2520-movement/ Fanaticism is an interesting beast. It grows in people and wars against Christ in the name of Christ. When I have encountered it it is always painful and divisive, controlling, and fear based. And it is generally based in some line of thought that is compelling and does not permit any deviation from the thinking of the leader. It does not allow for many kind of minds and individual thinking. I believe people can be fanatical in their way of thinking and hold all the Adventists truths, and be members in good standing. It has to do with how one holds oneself to the truth. Is it a stranglehold held in fear and control, or is it the gentle persuasion of the Holy Spirit and free will gladly given in surrender to the love and worship of God. James 3:1(NLT) But the wisdom from above is first of all pure. It is also peace loving, gentle at all times, and willing to yield to others. It is full of mercy and the fruit of good deeds. It shows no favoritism and is always sincere. to look into what the guy actually says...https://www.wake-up.org/ you can get a free small book that shows from Scriptures regarding the 7 TRUMPETS.. right out of Revelation The elderly man has asked for Bible Studies on REV with the Powrs that Be When he first got here! No one was or is interested. And Debbym -Thank you for saying that it don't deserve this punitive measure of forbidden to come to church. GBU! I'm just sick. maybe someone missed the Fact that I pointed out that larry just has to share out of urgency So he created This Ministry ! Not asking SDA to leave the Church or anything.Not asking for Tithe. Look into it ...if so inclined. But have you noticed people will get real incensed that you don't agree with them on things they see plainly. Knee jerk reaction that If that Rancore gets into the heart. Everything the other says or does rubs them the wrong way and read things that are simply not there.. Bad things happen if you have a Number enough are like that in powers of Position. Blessings! Edited August 18, 2015 by GayatfootofCross Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
Administrators Naomi Posted August 18, 2015 Administrators Posted August 18, 2015 One question .... how long has this been going on? Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God
GayatfootofCross Posted August 18, 2015 Author Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) One question .... how long has this been going on? Well my Buddy and I met them in my country home SDA Church years ago. So we have known them for years and fed the homeless with them once in a big City about that time. They started going to this side of the Mountain church maybe 2 and half years ago then then .... I don't remember right now but in essence Talking about his understanding of Revelation thru Larry Wilson Ministry..with someone at our Church. The cat was out of the bag! Some people think Larry Wilson is bad therefore wouldn't people who share his stuff would be bad too? Larry Wilson's Ministry was around these parts for many years in quiet camps. I was exposed and nOt even going to Church. #.. and what do we do with bad people in our Church? Edited August 18, 2015 by GayatfootofCross Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
JoeMo Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 This whole story is about individuals rather than the denomination at large. I belonged to an SDA church that refused to let a Catholic nun who had recently become an SDA be a greeter because she wouldn't remove a HS broach or her ring indicating her marriage to Jesus. She eventually left the denomination because she felt that, as an ex-nun, she was under a microscope and was being held to a stricter standard than others. I have belonged to an SDA church that openly embraced gays, stoners alcoholics - whomever. That doesn't mean the church celebrated their sins; we just showed them love and acceptance. Several of them have left their sinful lifestyles behind and joined the church. Some have left cuz they weren't yet ready to fully commit to Jesus. I have been warned before (in the distant past) about distributing non-SDA material at church. Now, I don't think anything we study in our Sabbath School comes from SDA sources. Like I said before, if you don't like the SDA church you are in, find another. If you don't like the SDA denomination, find another. We are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ; not the doctrine or culture of a specific denomination. That being said, I have tried to leave Adventism behind a couple times; and I have always returned. Looking back, my problems always originated with me taking offense at an individual or an influential group of people at a given church. There is just something in a "balanced" Advent culture that is so attractive I can't leave. I understand that everyone's idea of "balance" is probably different. Nonetheless, whatever your ideal of balance is, there is probably an SDA congregation or internet ministry that caters to your sense of balance. Quote
Moderators Kevin H Posted August 18, 2015 Moderators Posted August 18, 2015 Bonnie: this is an issue that I really don't want to go into as I have not studied it as deep as I should to discuss and there are other topics that I am much more interested in and better studied in. But let's look at 1 Corinthians 6: 9 and 10: 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (NIV) But would this text make a difference if this was an incorrect translation and that the the correct translation is: 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with children. 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. Quote
bonnie Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) Bonnie: this is an issue that I really don't want to go into as I have not studied it as deep as I should to discuss and there are other topics that I am much more interested in and better studied in. But let's look at 1 Corinthians 6: 9 and 10: 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (NIV) But would this text make a difference if this was an incorrect translation and that the the correct translation is: 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with children. 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. Then we are stuck with this........ Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper…” -Romans 1:24-28 As this says men with men and women with women it is quite pain. Unless of course we change it to read as we choose. It was an answer I expected. I hope the biblical scholars determine which portion of scripture means what is says and what portion demands further study. I am sure there are many in this group..sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with children. 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God would be delighted that bible scholars found they weren't really wrong after all. For me,I do not think we have been left in the dark, dependent on fallible human bible scholars to know right from wrong.Not when something as important as our eternal life is at stake. But I can understand the immediate desire to believe that Edited August 18, 2015 by bonnie Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
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