Personal Attacks

[Guest charis]

Redwood, your quote was from Lil Star, not me.

Perhaps you would like to start a list of your own.

[Woody]

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Perhaps you would like to start a list of your own.

No Charis ... it was not my suggestion and I did not agree with it. Please note my post. I indicated that IF a list was made ... that there would be no one left here because we would all have someone different to list.In that case ... even Beryl would make the list. Now THERE is something wrong.

Perhaps you missed that post. But thanks for your suggestion. Like I indicated though .... I don't see addressing that issue as helpful because it is not objective enough. Believe me though .... I am tempted but will resist.

[Guest charis]

It was not my suggestion. You were the one who brought it up. Refer to your post #152666.

[Woody]

Thank you Charis for the 666 reference . I did look that up and I was simply asking a question ... not making a suggestion. I will post it here for you and hope that clarifies things.

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"Would you suggest that we start making a list of the "pretenders" ? "

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"No Charis ... it was not my suggestion and I did not agree with it."

[Guest charis]

and so very often the chicken pecking results in this

[bonnie]

and so very often the chicken pecking results in this

Not sure if you have ever raised or are familiar with chicken behaviour but that plucked chicken is right on the money.

Chickens spend much of their day pecking and scratching. Usually they are passive even in confined quarters till they spot a vulnerable one in their midst.

One will start and soon the flock will cannibalise the vulnerable chicken. It will look much like your plucked chicken.

Interesting way to put a stop to it is to provide a bright light to shine on them. We used to raise quail and they are notorious for eating their own. A bright light and raw meat thrown in their pen will stop their behaviour.

Maybe that is what Ichabod is getting at in stopping attacks of all kinds.

[Guest charis]

Interesting. The passive-aggressive nature of a flock of chickens, first pecking at the ground for food, but if one looks up and sees a nonconforming chicken..that chicken might as well say her last "cluck cluck".

The light shining down - what a great parallel to the light of some excellent writers.

[bonnie]

It's funny, you can have 30 chickens all getting along peacefully till one begins. Then the other 28 discover a common enemy and will keep pecking till the one is dead.

Being chickens they don't realize that someone else's turn will be next and they will become the common enemy

[Guest charis]

Interesting too, is that a male chicken (Latin: Gallus gallus) will gather food together then "invite" the hens over to eat. But generosity was not his motive...it is to get a number of hens to court and mount to proceed with the fertilization of an egg.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallus_gallus

Now, I'm not sure about the pecking order. Are the oldest ones in the coop on the higher pecking levels?

[there buster]

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What about the pretenders of love? While stabbing people in the back and those that peck and peck and peck and then they feel they need to peck some more.

These are somewhat more difficult, but not nearly impossible. As someone has indicated, a little sunlight can go a long way.

[bonnie]

Interesting too, is that a male chicken (Latin: Gallus gallus) will gather food together then "invite" the hens over to eat. But generosity was not his motive...it is to get a number of hens to court and mount to proceed with the fertilization of an egg.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallus_gallus

Now, I'm not sure about the pecking order. Are the oldest ones in the coop on the higher pecking levels?

Not sure. I don't think I ever paid attention. We generally raised banties. They had a much different nature than the bigger birds. Funny to watch sometimes

I have seen where one has accidently pecked another and liked the idea and the war was on. You either had to remove the victim chicken or get rid of the instigator. Once begun, the instigator did not forget

Farm life is interesting. Doesn't take long to realize animals and birds are not to different than humans.

[bonnie]

Agression, passive or otherwise it will show in some amazing ways. A little reading of a passive-agressive personality is an interesting read. It seems it is more common among males,maybe that is why the rooster "invites" all the hens for lunch

[Denise]

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It's funny, you can have 30 chickens all getting along peacefully till one begins. Then the other 28 discover a common enemy and will keep pecking till the one is dead.

Being chickens they don't realize that someone else's turn will be next and they will become the common enemy

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Farm life is interesting. Doesn't take long to realize animals and birds are not to different than humans.

Wow! Interesting to learn about chickens and how close humans behave! Alot of that happened when I was working outside the home......one would start pecking on someone, and before you knew it, everyone would start pecking at that person, and if your that person, your wondering why?.....that has happened to me before....and it's not a pleasant experience, very hurtful....I guess that's when the chickens peck and peck until they peck you to hurt.....

[Guest charis]

Hmm. Passive aggressiveness I think would be somewhat difficult to spot right away. What are the characteristics most common, I wonder...

And then there's the trust issues which would be incomprehensible to chickens...though they do perhaps *look up* to the highest order of chicken peckingdom?

[bonnie]

Hmm. Passive aggressiveness I think would be somewhat difficult to spot right away. What are the characteristics most common, I wonder...

And then there's the trust issues which would be incomprehensible to chickens...though they do perhaps *look up* to the highest order of chicken peckingdom?

Passive-aggresive personalities are sometimes extremely difficult to spot. Most of the time very personable. Ever meet someone that just leaves you a little unsettled and not to sure of what they meant?? That usually raises the hair on the back of my neck. Nice,charming on command,really a caring person, but something just isn't right?

In reality they have little conscience or remorse about their conduct. It really is never their fault, they have just been misunderstood.

Sometimes they are so nice that most see the other guy as the problem

[Guest charis]

oh yes. I know of people like that. I suppose therapy of some sort would help, but then again, if they think they're right, they won't realize their need for help.. or they try to *help* someone else not even seeing the damage they might be doing. My ex-fiance is something like that..

[bonnie]

I don't think they care to much about the hurt they cause. I think it is about control and this is the way they control. They either can't use or shy away from force to obtain it. I don't think it helps either that they always seem to have so many convinced of what a great guy

[Guest charis]

but leaving a trail of broken people. Sort of like was talked about on the suicide thread - that the soul was killed long before a suicide attempt.

yeah...I've noticed that "great guy" persona may not be the reality

[Lil Star]

Passive-Aggressive personalities

(thought we should get the meaning of what passive/aggressive) really means.

When the behaviors are part of a person's disorder or personality style, repercussions are usually not immediate, but instead accumulate over time as the individuals affected by the person come to recognize the disavowed aggression coming from that person. People with this personality style are often quite unconscious of their impact on others, and thus may be genuinely dismayed when held to account for the inconvenience or discomfort caused by their passive-aggressive behaviors. In that context, there is a failure to see how they might have provoked a negative response, so they feel misunderstood, held to unreasonable standards, and/or put upon.

Treatment of this disorder can be difficult: efforts to convince the patient that their unconscious feelings are being expressed passively, and that the passive expression of those feelings (their behavior) inspires other people's anger or disappointment with the patient, are often met with resistance.

[Guest charis]

I would think that other types of mental health issues show up in people who have the passive/aggressive personality.

[bonnie]

They do,all sorts of issues. I used to have some information on it. Will check if I still have it.

But the bottom line is in most type of settings this behaviour will never be stopped because of the willingness of so many to accept even when it is seen

[Guest charis]

and the pecking continues with casualties along the way....

And no one notices..or they choose to ignore

[Lil Star]

Just some more of what I found while researching this type of behavior on the internet and thought I would share.

*FEAR OF COMPETITION - Feeling inadequate, he/she is unable to compete with other men/women in work and love. S/He may operate either as a self-sabotaging wimp with a pattern of failure, or s/he'll be the tyrant, setting her/himself up as unassailable and perfect, needing to eliminate any threat to his power.

*FEELING VICTIMIZED - The p/a man protests that others unfairly accuse him rather than owning up to his own misdeeds. To remain above reproach, he sets himself up as the apparently hapless, innocent victim of your excessive demands and tirades.

*AMBIGUITY - He is master of mixed messages and sitting on fences. When he tells you something, you may still walk away wondering if he actually said yes or no.

[Lil Star]

They choose to ignore. No one ever sees a problem. It's as if their eyes are closed and when they open, (IF they open) there is no more dust, the person has decided the area they are in is not what they wanted and so they just leave. Some of the stronger ones will stay but the "newbies" find it too difficult to stick around and be pecked and pecked and pecked away at. It's sad when that happens. It makes them bleed and hurt so much and nothing anyone can do will help. It just gets left to go on so long that all the hurt and sores will forever live in them.

I used to have chickens when I was growing up. I remember that the turkey would often peck and peck at the smaller chickens until there was nothing left of the smaller chicks. They just went off to their own area, and slowly died.

[Amelia]

From reading this I get the impression that the feeling is this board is inhabited by passive/aggressive members that are pecking others to death. OK, what is the solution/s?