Personal Attacks

[bonnie]

Your quite right that you have little to say to me. Especially when you involve me personally in something I have not done. Am I negative on pretense and hurtng vulnerable people?? YUP and intend to stay just that way. That is always a negative where I live. Thisthread was begun by Redwood to point out those nasty people making personal attacks. It was turned into mockery and cruelty. Redwood,pretending again with his quotes asked for or suggested others. I complied. In that neils and david Koots name was not mentioned. Apparantly the shoe has found a foot somewhere or you would not be calling a list of biblical passages an attack

My fun does not come from hurting people,it does not come from subtle cruelty, and most assurredly does not come from SDA's.

Hopefully I never place myself in a position to reap fun and friendship with what has gone on here. Most of my friends are non-SDA's as they do not have such a tendency to eat their own. They don't pretend, they don't mock and make light of others when they know it may hurt them. Just the general run of the mill non-christian by standards set forth here.

[David Koot]

Hmmmm . . . what can I say? Lilstar is my friend. Have met her in person, and she is a very nice lady. Neil I would like to consider my friend, although I have not met him in person. (Course he lives in the wild and wooley sovereign State of Jefferson.)

I just get tired of hassle sometimes. At times I would like to say, 'Get a life!' There is much to be happy about and there are many enjoyable things to do. la dolce vita How about we declare a moratorium on squabbling and fault-finding and focus on the good stuff? (no, Neil, not talkin' about the hooch) Doesn't mean we all have to agree on everything, but we still can have a pleasant time of it, don't you think? As for Neil's scurrilous accusations, insinuating that I am not interested in the orthodox faith, I will deal with THAT a little later. And as for endangered species, YES, conservatives ARE an endangered species. Just look were the election is heading? Hillary--HILLARY--HILLARY as president???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alas for my country.

Dave

[bonnie]

Perhaps neither Lil Star or I are seeing thru rose colored glasses

Neil said.....I can not find a way to take off your rose colored shades so that you can truely see the world with your own eyes. I am sorry....

Maybe what you should consider is we have removed them and have seen clearly what the SDA world is with our own eyes.

[bonnie]

Yes david,,it is an excellent time to declare a moratorium on squabbling and fault-finding, but more importantly the mockery.

It can at times have ramification for those pretending the peculiar form of adventist love and righteous indignation and I am sure there are those wishing to avoid that

[Lil Star]

AMEN to Bonnie and David Koots

It is sometimes (most of the time) hard to come here because I know that one or more people will try an attack and usually it will be me that will get banned. I will withdraw from this thread. Neil, you got your way once again.

I have the rose colored glasses off, been able to see quite clearly for some time now. I am not sorry for what I have said here as it is truly how I feel. If it has hurt feelings then I am sorry as I do not try to hurt anyones feelings. I never even thought about David when I made my posts, only thought about how *I* felt as a person and if that is wrong; then so be it. Again; I withdraw myself from this thread.

[David Koot]

I must confess, Bonnie, that I am not aware of the mockery. Probably went right by me. I have been known to be a bit dense. I'm afraid that I tend to be a 'Pollyanna' type sometimes.

Dave

[Guest Male Man]

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I have found more than once that "adVENTists have more to say about someone else than they do about the word of the Lord. There have been attacks now and in the past. Most all seem to move their lips to the song of what their satisfaction may be. While it may hurt some, ( oh well we will treat them with kindness and they will forget) that is what adventists do in large to anyone who says, this hurt. The deeper the hurt the less someone wants to come to the adventist religion. When it is seen being done over and over and over again, the less some want to attend as they see it happening all the time. It is like a bunch of children. When a child does some hitting out of the parents sight, when asked the child will most always say "I don't know, I didn't do it" or anything along those lines. Same as what is going on here. No one seems to want to take responsibility for what they say. No one can seem to remember or the other has taken it completely out of context. Now, what is that [censored] all about? Why can't anyone just say ya, it was me, I did it. I am sorry it hurt your feelings and I will try not to do it again. Then HONESTLY mean it!

I have tried to find a church in this area and all the ones that I go to (there are many) everyone is busy talking about the clothes they are wearing and how much they cost or they are talking about what that person did or another person did. Can you believe what they are doing or what they said or did? That's all I heard. I can go to the streets of Oregon/Washington run into a store and find that same type of thing. Why in the world would I need to go to a church while I sit and listen to someone telling me about God and all He can do for me while people in the PEWS are sitting around whispering (not quietly) about all of this? All the secular things going on in the world. I thought church was for learning about God. Not what is going on in the world. I haven't found a church yet that doesn't do this, and I've been to quite a few lately.

Then I come here, where no one fesses up to an attack. Instead they make light of it. No hurt no foul? Is that what it is? I'll tell you something. I am definitely learning a LOT about what adVENTists are all about. I believe in God. I worship God. I live my life according to what God asks us to do. What I do NOT do is sit there pretend nothing is going on and let the attack of others happen without doing anything about it. While I do not have a pedastool but a chair that I sit on while typing this, I tend to believe that when a wrong is done it should be righted. A sin by any other name is still a sin! No matter what ANYONE calls it!

Why can't anyone call a sin a sin? My mom always used to tell us ..... two wrongs don't make a right; but neither does a wrong and a turn the other cheek attitude.

Love one another means just that. What it does not mean is love one another even if they have beaten the wholly [censored] out of you and turn the other cheek so they can do it again. Where is the love in that? Can anyone tell me that?

Why should you or I or anyone love being beaten up or attacked or verbally abused so that it can happen all over again and again?

Pretending to be something you aren't is not right. If you abuse or attack someone just for the fun of it, then just freakin say so! I like it when people are straight up front and tell it like it is. Anyone else who does not do that is just lip syncing and not really being themselves. Or; maybe they are. I dislike very much people who are FAKE. F= facilitates A= accepting K= killing E= everyone

Thanks for yor honesty - we learn when people do that. It may help to realise that online Christian forums of all denominations and church groups have the same problem. It's because of the impersonal nature of the internet. Most do not come to make friends but to test their ideas. It is a volatile world unfortunately.

You are right though, we SDA's do get hung up on what we are wearing and we do not keep it real for most part. That is my beef with the church - it doesn't admit to wrong and is always right - especially the admin. Bringing back a radical way of doing things like our pioneers did will change the church and weed out the fake.

Remember it's not more niceness we need at present but someone to stand up and do the right thing.

Sorry if my posts have offended but I do bite when bitten.

There ya go people - what I have been talking about all along.

[bonnie]

I must confess, Bonnie, that I am not aware of the mockery. Probably went right by me. I have been known to be a bit dense. I'm afraid that I tend to be a 'Pollyanna' type sometimes.

Dave

From the very beginning of this thread pot shots were taken at others while at the same time this continuing diatribe against personal attacks. My, aren't they awful tho??

Male Man was the first target of this mockery. While he seems perfectly capable and sometimes to much so for the liking of others,that alone flies in the face of all the "turn the other cheek, love won another yada,yada,yada.

It was not for discussion, it was for target practise.

Neil seems to think I was unfriendly. I don't feel the need to be friendly in something like this. Guess I haven't reached that lofty christian standard as yet.

Again I did not go after him, this is not the first in recent days. Neil and I have nothing to say to one another that the other appreciates. I do not like Neil and Neil does not like me,thankfully. I did not attack him,I stay away from him. He has no gone on the attack after Lil Star. She said nothing to him and did not involve him in anything. I can't claim to loving all. About what I can muster is to not hate another. To say something straight-forward without hiding behind,"Oh, I was just kidding" Or you can't tell in this medium" "Or you took it the wrong way"

Horse puckey

Many here almost make a career of loving one another to the point of death.

Much that has gone on is an attempt not at humor but at cruelty disguised as such to make digs at others.

To stop the digs and come right out with it would come to close to piercing that carefully guarded veneer.

My dad used to call this spandex christianity. It has incredible stretch to cover all actions and yet when desired snaps back to strangle your intended target. All the while loving them of course.

We pretend continual use of out of context quotes are meant to be humorous, certainly if not humorous done with the best of intentions. We pretend when we use the repeated words such as "snipe,snipe,snipe we are not targeting the one that said it. Pretending allows us the privilegs of enjoying something like that without revealing our true feelings. After all it was someone else that did it.

I am sorry David, I do not believe it is a Pollyanna syndrome that has kept you or others from seeing it.

Many people dislike another term of my dad's. "COATHOLDER"

The ones that are inclined to be deliberately cruel,mock, and pretend can do so only as long as there are those willing to hold their coat and allow it.

[Amelia]

Let this topic die. And I will pray that it is never resurrected as it doesn't deserve a second, third or Nth life.

[there buster]

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Let this topic die.

If it is a matter of 'letting,' then it will die.

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And I will pray that it is never resurrected as it doesn't deserve a second, third or Nth life.

Dandelions don't deserve their many generations, but the only way to get rid of them is to get rid of the roots.

You can mow them every day, and all you do is get really short dandelions.

I've tried letting dandelions die, but haven't had much success. I wish you a better outcome.

[David Koot]

Let this topic die.

Not yet, Amelia! Gotta hear Neil's last word! He said it, but there was an interruption. C'mon Neil, you gonna wrap it up? After all, once Neil speaks, there is silence. Once Neil speaks, there are only the words spoken softly in response, 'Say no more.'

Dave

[darlene]

Was that last comment intended to be postive or negative?

[David Koot]

Aw c'mon, I like to banter with Neil. He's a regular guy.

[bonnie]

Was that last comment intended to be postive or negative?

Just a means of keeping it going

[lazarus]

I'm offering this picture as an appropriate ending to this thread.

Profound in a simplistic kinda way!

:R

[bonnie]

Certainly, after we eat our own, snipe and ridicule I can't see why not. Rodney King certainly thought it would work

[bonnie]

I guess I am just baffled why this keeps coming up and generally by the same party.

Why not just right out with what C/A desires and is willing to tolerate and what it will not? The admin has every right to allow and encourage anything it chooses. It is a voluntary registration.

Just why all the hand wringing? Male man is a good example. He kind of blew into town and took some by surprise and came across as quite abrasive. Yet, the very ones that took offense repeatedly stab and snipe, not willing to come right square in his face and say exactly what they think. He does not back off so the accepted way is snip, snipe as love won another.

Let's just have it right out there.I would be surprised if he is bothered by it, probably just thinks it is par for the course, but for those that take such glee in doing or having it done to one will soon find another comes along as prey.

Sniping at every opportunity is allowed and many find it entertaining,sniping is a way of getting our point across without having to be straightforward, Or, this sniping will stop and will be deleted when seen. pretty simple.

If someone dislikes you as in the case of dislike for Lil Star, don't listen to anything she has to say. Make it known there is something wrong with her in your opinion for holding the one she does. Even if she does not include or make implications about anyone, dislike is a reason to go on the attack.

Then at least people know they are registering at their own risk.

They will expect and have accepted that the house rules allows this love won another routine. Redwood is the only one that has that as his signature but many say it or imply it. Make it clear what that form of love means and how it will be carried out.

Just how difficult is it to say

Profanity is not allowed or usually not.

Sniping, digging is allowed and please do not contact us when it occurs.

Personal attacks will be stopped only when it offends the administration, please do not contact us, we will contact you when we are offended.

Humor, even when cruelly used is a form of entertainment to many and that has been accepted

Why the pretext??

[there buster]

A great evil has been done here. I mourn.

[Woody]

[bonnie]

A great evil has been done here. I mourn.

Which is the evil?? Asking why the pretext and not understanding why it is so difficult to be straight forward?

Being straight forward?

Or the pretext, "we don't know what you are talking about" "it is just in jest" "Ah, it doesn't mean anything when we taunt someone, just good clean christian fun" "pleading personal attacks cease then try and keep trying to agitate someone"? Or we don't know how to stop it??

Not sure which you see as evil

[there buster]

Neither you nor I have, or have been allowed, the power to do great evil here. My post was merely after your post, not a reply to it.

As so often happens, neglect of an opportunity to do justice results in great injustice.

[Stan]

There are perhaps only two people on here, that have others have not asked me to ban over the unsocial comments to others. Two may be a high number.

It ends up being "either he/she goes or I go..."

YET... all seem so innocent in their own eyes.

To tell this admin, to straighten out folks people here have antagonized, and have the inability to deal with people on a 1 to 1 bases does not go over that well.

BUT MOM- HE DID IT FIRST...

[bonnie]

That is not what I said at all

[Bravus]

Hi bonnie

I understand the point you're trying to make. But a couple of recent experiences I've had, one with Male Man here and one with spartivento in the movie forum, have shown me that what I write in the attempt to be as clear and straightforward as possible is often interpreted as a personal attack. In both cases I apologised immediately, but I was apologising the same way I would if I accidentally bumped into someone in the street without intending to do so. I had done my best to be clear and straightforward, and although I often fail to communicate clearly in this medium, I think I'm generally a fairly clear writer.

Similarly, although I rarely take offense at what others write, I know there have been times when I've been upset by something someone wrote, then realised later they didn't mean what I'd read them as saying...

Anyway, if I disagree with someone I do, and will, try to say clearly what it is about their ideas I disagree with, and avoid attacking them as a person. I hope everyone else will be willing to do the same.

Now check out my new 'Make The Rules' thread, everyone!

[LifeHiscost]

I'm offering this picture as an appropriate ending to this thread.

Profound in a simplistic kinda way!

:R

One needs to remember the man who voiced those words had not long before led law enforcement officers on a high speed vehicle chase through a populated area while high on drugs and then wouldn't submit to officers trying to arrest him after jeopardizing the lives of numerous individuals while exercising

his civil rights.

But then again, why can't we all just get along?

"Like a sparrow in its flitting, like a swallow in its flying,So a curse without cause does not alight." Proverbs 26:2 NASB

Regards!