Personal Attacks

[LifeHiscost]

Sorry if my posts have offended but I do bite when bitten.

Though perhaps falling too often myself, I still believe Jesus to be right. And He has helped me to do better than times past.

"Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously" 1 Peter 2:23 KJV

Seems a worthy goal to reach, for one confessing the name of Christ. Perhaps your lone candle will spark a flame where you worship.

Regards!

[bonnie]

Straight forward, even misunderstood gives those who misunderstood something more than this feeling they are being mocked in a sly not so underhanded way and if they say anything wil be greeted with a very dishonest "I don't know what you are talking about" "Can't you take a little fun"

You made a statement to me one time that I adamently disagree with, I am not going to repeat it here and more than likely you don't even recall what it was. The statement itself is not important. If I were to take that statement and use it in many posts and refer to it in this seemingly benign over and over in inappropriate ways you would know exactly what I was doing. Never letting it die. Trying to agitate that which I professed to want stopped, then stood back and watched the fight. "See there it goes again, oh how do we stop that which I put in motion"??

I don't think you are dishonest and would say any different. Then if I persisted in doing that yet proclaiming my love for all you would be quite correct in knowing I was less than forthright and honest about my reasons for doing so and that the love didn't extend beyond the words. You would recognise it for what it was. A very thinnly disguised hostility towards you, just spoiling for a fight.

While I disagree with you in many, many ways I also think you are honest enough,if you are making the continued plea for no personal attacks that would even include those that you are friends with. Advising them when it is blatanly done to put a stop to it.

Lil Star and what she had to say was really made of no account. Why?? There was something wrong with her. She could not find friends,she was crucifying Redwood, when in fact she said nothing to him or about him, unless of course her post was the shoe that fit to well. She cannot find fun, somehting wrong with this girl isn't there?? Certainly never went after the one that decided to come after her. Where then was this plea by those that repeat it regularly?? Wouldn't that have been the time for an honest man with an honest concern to say something?

While I am not going to disolve in a puddle of tears at what is said. It does make me mad when I see such blatant disregard for their own statements of christian love.There will be those badly and easily hurt. Sometimes as a result of this same type of treatment in their personal life. When we suspect that is the case or we feel in the end we can make someone mad enough it is like swimming with a school of pirhana,waiting for that first sight of blood.

It is always a mistake to cheer on and promote behaviour from a friend that you,yourself would not like or tolerate. If that is who they are, your day is coming, when convenient or you have crossed them in the right way. Little like honor among thieves, friendship like that is not a real friendship,it doesn't exist.

When someone repeatedly is gone after, describing in detail who is being talked about over and over, at times using his initial

are you going to think or describe this as anything but a personal attack by the very ones imitating in the finest Rodney King fashion, "Oh PLease can't we all get along and stop these personal attacks. I don't think you would.

Yet this is routine.

Can all personal attacks and outbursts be stopped. No

But it wouldn't take long if I were to come after you with the statement you made that I disliked, over and over in every post I could squeeze it into, to stop it. Simply that my comment had been deleted and would be so every time it was seen. Poof, done.

I would soon know and understand that the administration knew exactly what I was doing and why. I also suspect coming after you in that "hostile" way would also be called up short by the other members here.

When it is done to those that are disliked or a personal attack out of the blue for someone that had nothing worthwhile to say anyway it is accepted as their due. In fact I think the statement was made to that effect.

Anyway I appreciate your thoughtfulness in your post even thos we have not always gotten along or seen eye to eye

[LifeHiscost]

Many here almost make a career of loving one another to the point of death.

I was under the impression that this was a Christian forum, albeit an Adventist, and as I recall that is just what He did. No doubt, we cannot do it on our own.

"“I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing." John 15:5 NKJV

"For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly." Romans 5:6 KJV

Regards!

[bonnie]

Originally Posted By: bonnie

Many here almost make a career of loving one another to the point of death.

I was under the impression that this was a Christian forum, albeit an Adventist, and as I recall that is just what He did. No doubt, we cannot do it on our own.

"“I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing." John 15:5 NKJV

"For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly." Romans 5:6 KJV

Regards!

If you misunderstood what I meant I will clarify for you.

The type of love to your face while the knife is in the back

[LifeHiscost]

Anyway I appreciate your thoughtfulness in your post even thos we have not always gotten along or seen eye to eye

Bonnie, you took 7 or 8 paragraphs to say most of just the opposite to this last sentence. Do you really believe he's going to give credence to this. I haven't been following this thread so I haven't been holding anyone's coat. Am I still safe in making an observation? Just asking.

"When there are many words, transgression is unavoidable,But he who restrains his lips is wise." Proverbs 10:19 NASB

Regards!

[bonnie]

Originally Posted By: bonnie

Anyway I appreciate your thoughtfulness in your post even thos we have not always gotten along or seen eye to eye

Bonnie, you took 7 or 8 paragraphs to say most of just the opposite to this last sentence. Do you really believe he's going to give credence to this. I haven't been following this thread so I haven't been holding anyone's coat. Am I still safe in making an observation? Just asking.

"When there are many words, transgression is unavoidable,But he who restrains his lips is wise." Proverbs 10:19 NASB

Regards!

Don't know, the best one to ask is Bravus. I disagree with, very strongly many times with bravus. Does not mean I do not respect someone that is forthright.

I doubt that bravus and I will see eye to eye on most things. Not sure that will alter his opinions and what he says and will not alter my disagreement. It does not mean I will go from post to post making sure to rub it in his face at every opportunity and I don't see him doing it either. Had that been my intent I would have posted the statement and from now on use it on almost every post. Iused that as an example to the reply to me by bravus. But here again it may be best to let bravus be the one to tell me he does not believe me and you to not try to tell me what he will lend credence to

[Lil Star]

First off, I want to say this will be my last post as I have said that I have withdrawn from this conversation.

I see that Bonnie is defending me. Thank you Bonnie! I have taken more than my fair share of abuse on this forum. People have come at me for no reason IN MY OPINION and when I go and respond to them; I am the one that gets censorship done. If I had purposely misspelled words like one has done on here, I would have been banned or censored yet again. Which IN MY OPINION would be fine. I would deserve it. What I do not understand is when someone KNOWS what the word is; how it is wrong; still gets away with it. I used a 4 letter word that in NO WAY has any bad connotation I got censored. I understand that. However, one that uses one that DOES have a bad connotation surrounding it does not get censored. THAT I do not understand. Since then; it has stayed. Fine, I see what will be tolerated and what won't. I bet though that if I used that same connotation in the same way; I would once again be censored. So be it. I've learned that some can get away with many things I can not. I know of the favorites. I expect the favorites to be able to get away with anything now. Back way back when I first started here I did not know the favorite rule. Now I do. I'm not a favorite. So be it. I am me; take it or leave it. I will not change to become a favorite.

I went and PM'ed the person whom I thought made the bad connotation along with an admin member and NOTHING was done about it. I understand that now. It is okay for some while not for others. I get that. I know that. I will stay away from the bad connotations that I might make and/or accept the fact I will be censored.

One thing I will say however is that, I DO take offense to being told I can't make friends or that I do not have friends. I DO have friends, I have many to be exact. Some from online while some are friends that I have had for more than a decade. The friends I DO have are completely honest with me. They do not stand back and let others beat me over the head over and over again knowing that they are doing the pecking and pecking. They see what is being done to me and they help me out. In REAL life as well as in cyber life. Those are the ones I keep close to my heart and will do anything for them as well. The friends I make usually last a lifetime. I have several friends I've had since I was just a young knee high kid. Since I was 7 while others I have had like I said for at least a decade.

Anyways; I PM'ed the person I thought made the nasty connotation and the one I quoted recently in the online lingo and I was told by this poster in PM that I should apologize for what *I* said to the poster. What a bogus thing to say to me. Never will I apologize for something I believe to be wrong. In my eyes it is and always will be wrong. No matter in what context it was used. ESPECIALLY on and ADventist forum! I have been told by admin at times that this is a christian forum and as such those type of words should not be spelled out or spoken on here. I did say a word that I was not sure of and low and behold, it was censored. Okay, I wasn't sure. Now I am sure.

I have found that once again, I have taken it in the wrong way. I have misunderstood the poster. Fine, people can think what they want. That is their business. It is not something that I would ever use on a christian forum. I see just what type of poster this person is by the words they use to describe something. misspelled, out of context or how funny he or she wanted to be. Just know I will NEVER use that word. It is not me. I am CHRISTian that will not use that terminology in my daily life nor will I use it on this board. Because, what you see here and my posts are how I feel. How I think and who I am. Take it or leave it. I won't change for anyone. I will only change for my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Should HE think I should. So far He has done much for me. He has gotten me a job paying me almost 20$ an hour or more for working in what I enjoy doing and along the lines of what I have wanted to do since I was a very young child. He gave me a place to stay while I moved back to the Oregon/Washington area which is where I grew up and missed. He has helped my son find his cousins and be able to keep in contact with them. My Lord has done a lot for my son and I. I must be doing something right. I must be living the way God wants me to live no matter what people on here think.

To the person that told me in PM; I will never apologize for my asking you to use the correct spelling of the word we are talking about. I do not and will never regret it. I think it is wrong in any circumstance. IF the admin do not find it offensive; that is their business. So be it.

I know that possibly I am one of those that many have asked that I be banned and possibly admin have been asked to ban me yet again. I know I do have a high number. I have been banned before. For things I do not even know why. I still do not know why. It just happened and so be it. I do not and will not live in the past. I live for the future and for my Lord and Savior. No one else.

[bonnie]

Sorry if I upset you further.

Some people do need the internet to have friends. Others can make them in their personal life. Can feel of value in their own circle of friends. Others can not always find the same value and need to try to find it elsewhere

Take care and keep in touch

Bonnie

[Lil Star]

No, you did not upset me in any way. I just did not feel as though you should be the one trying to defend me. I am an adult and as such I should be able to defend myself. I appreciate you trying to defend me. I have spoken to you on the phone and I have even met some in person. Some not very good while some are good. I would really enjoy meeting you in person. When I moved from Montana I was really thinking about moving out your direction because I KNOW that you would always be there for me and would help me out if needed. I chose to keep your friendship and not do that. I know how friendships can be broken via living with or having someone help out as much as I would have needed to be helped out at the time. In fact, you are the one I tell all the information of people I go out with for the first time. You are like my second mom and always will be.

Please do not take offense to what I said. It was NOT meant to be taken the way you took it. THANK YOU however for speaking your mind and being HONEST and asking me!

Love ya!

[lazarus]

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One needs to remember the man who voiced those words had not long before led law enforcement officers on a high speed vehicle chase through a populated area while high on drugs and then wouldn't submit to officers trying to arrest him after jeopardizing the lives of numerous individuals while exercising

his civil rights.

But then again, why can't we all just get along?

I think you missed the point of my post. Of course, if he had not been driving the way he was driving he would not have ended up in the situation he was in. And of course there was no excuse for the criminality of those officers.

Here was my point: Some calls for better behavior on this forum have come from those who are the worst offenders. There will ALWAYS be a level of "conflict" on this forum because we are real people discussing real issues.

Has anyone threatened to kill someone here? Has any one blatantly lied about an individual? Is anyone allowed to routinely post expletives or offensive remarks attacking people? Is the name of God routinely blasphemed?

If anyone has done any of these things I am confident that admin would have dealt with it.

I feel some just don't like certain opinions and approaches. There's an attempt to manipulate control and all that stuff.

It's a bit rough at times but come on y'all.

[Neil D]

Has anyone threatened to kill someone here? Has any one blatantly lied about an individual? Is anyone allowed to routinely post expletives or offensive remarks attacking people? Is the name of God routinely blasphemed?

If anyone has done any of these things I am confident that admin would have dealt with it.

In this thread, I have had a veiled threat, where my employer might have been called if I had being posting during work...or at least, I percieve it as a veiled threat. The poster has a history of doing just that....and has done so to another C/A member here. And yet, I have not addressed this to the Administration....Not sure why, as yet....but it is definately percieved as a veiled threat....

[Woody]

The threat of losing ones job is a pretty big one I would agree Neil. I am sorry you had to experience this here. This forum should be a safe place ... a harbor ... an environment where all can express their opinions, quotes and ideas without threats.

[Bravus]

bonnie, thanks for your thoughtful response. I'm glad that we can disagree and yet respect one another. I'm sorry that I've offended you in the past, and I ask your forgiveness for that. If you'd like to discuss the issue further (in terms of my specifically withdrawing the comment you're speaking about - I don't know what it is) we should probably take that discussion to PM.

In response to this thread, let me just say that I feel at this point that perhaps 'meta-discussion' of the rules and procedures and of (perceived and real) slights and fights is taking up so much time and space here that we're getting to read less real 'content'. Being able to discuss these things is important, I guess, but the noise-to-signal ratio is getting pretty high...

[bonnie]

Originally Posted By: lazarus

Has anyone threatened to kill someone here? Has any one blatantly lied about an individual? Is anyone allowed to routinely post expletives or offensive remarks attacking people? Is the name of God routinely blasphemed?

If anyone has done any of these things I am confident that admin would have dealt with it.

In this thread, I have had a veiled threat, where my employer might have been called if I had being posting during work...or at least, I percieve it as a veiled threat. The poster has a history of doing just that....and has done so to another C/A member here. And yet, I have not addressed this to the Administration....Not sure why, as yet....but it is definately percieved as a veiled threat....

Let's be very clear here Neil. You want to bring this up we can do that. I am assuming that it is acceptable to do this as no complaints have been made or warning. The poster and the party reported with this history was warned and warned and then warned again, there was nothing veiled. The objection was and still is one that is paid by our tithe dollar to spend time to post up to 20 posts a day many nasty and made very personal. I would do so again under the same circumstances, and it would not be hidden.

It would be interesting to see what is a veiled threat on this thread and who made that threat. How would anyone be aware of your work hours as you seem to be on the board at varying times

[bonnie]

The threat of losing ones job is a pretty big one I would agree Neil. I am sorry you had to experience this here. This forum should be a safe place ... a harbor ... an environment where all can express their opinions, quotes and ideas without threats.

Redwood,

You have a very good point.

Neil would like to suggest, I think that I or the one that reported another member to his employer made threats to him is now threatening him. Seems he would like to rehash and that rehash has been acceptable. One of the sam

You are right, it should be a place that is safe from threats and also from deliberate lies.

One member of this forum invited another member to e-mail him for personal information on me. The information was not only inaccurate it was a complete lie. It was even stated as "I know". This very active member hasn't a clue about my personal life other than what I made public concerning my son. What he knew was a made up lie. He was a little foolish and had this interaction with a lawyer, someone he did not know at the time. Not a real wise move.

Another letter was also sent to some that made some very personal and untrue statements about another woman he has conflict with, and again not always wise as you don't know who ends up with them.

[bonnie]

You did not offend me. Simply stated a belief/opinion that I disagree with strongly. We disagreed and rather stridently at the time and it was ended

Bonnie

[Bravus]

Fair enough, thanks.

[bonnie]

Right or wrong, like it or not, a veiled threat is not my style.

If I had threatened you,you would not have perceived it as veiled

[bonnie]

Originally Posted By: lazarus

Has anyone threatened to kill someone here? Has any one blatantly lied about an individual? Is anyone allowed to routinely post expletives or offensive remarks attacking people? Is the name of God routinely blasphemed?

If anyone has done any of these things I am confident that admin would have dealt with it.

In this thread, I have had a veiled threat, where my employer might have been called if I had being posting during work...or at least, I percieve it as a veiled threat. The poster has a history of doing just that....and has done so to another C/A member here. And yet, I have not addressed this to the Administration....Not sure why, as yet....but it is definately percieved as a veiled threat....

Neil,

I am sure you and many others will disagree but I think I have a right to ask you for clarification. Show me what caused you to fear your employer was being contacted.

You have made an accusation. You can call it what you will ,lie, do whatever,but the fact remains that it was clearly aimed at me.

It is a well known fact, one I have never tried to hide that I did in fact report a member some years back, now I would like to see where by the biggest stretch of your vivid imagination anything was said to threaten your job? That I don't think is an unfair request. Now if you say Oh, I didn't mean you, you misunderstood,you know how difficult it is in this medium to always tell,point out the post. It will be pretty clear by the post who you are referring to and if in fact a veiled threat was made concerning your job. I would also like to request the administration leave this long enough for Neil to answer what he started and they allowed. Fair I would think.

Then perhaps as long as you chose to answer part of the post you would like to answer the rest. The question that asks.....

Has any one blatantly lied about an individual? The answer to that came close to causing you some legal problems. Yes I still have it and if necessary and worth the effort I can produce it

[Guest Male Man]

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Has any one blatantly lied about an individual? The answer to that came close to causing you some legal problems. Yes I still have it and if necessary and worth the effort I can produce it

You guys need to lighten up. See how silly this is.

Keep to the subject and don't get personal -- is this too hard or do we need to provide an example of what is personal and what is not personal?

You can poo hoo my topic all you like as long as you don't poo hoo me - is that clear enough?

[bonnie]

Male Man,

If no one wants personal then personal best be called what it is and those that drag up years old incidences be stopped. Those that manufacture perceived threats and potential job loss need to step up to the plate and show the post

[Guest Male Man]

Yes. I'm not sure what you mean by calling personal for what it is - it's personal?

If I say, I dont like or agree or even hate what you are saying then that is not personal - it's just my opinion about what you are blogging about.

If I say you are a witch and you stink or I know you and you have a reputation then that is personal. Can everyone see this distinction or am I on another planet?

[bonnie]

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If I say you are a witch and you stink or I know you and you have a reputation then that is personal. Can everyone see this distinction or am I on another planet?

Bingo. There is at least one that will be happy to fill you in on my reputation because he knows. All it will take is a pm to him and he will be happy to I am sure. Then of course there is the little fun part about the crime of cyber stalking that went around.

How about accusing in a not so sly way of something that was never done. Maybe throwing in an old incident to give it a little more seeming credibility

Does any of this qualify???

[bonnie]

Oh yes, then we have the threat in PM.

C/A is my turf, I will beg,borrow,steal or do whatever it takes to get you off this forum. Could this be part of what is going on now

[Stan]

Oh yes, then we have the threat in PM.

C/A is my turf, I will beg,borrow,steal or do whatever it takes to get you off this forum. Could this be part of what is going on now

What are you talking about?