Is the Adventist Church Really Pro-life?

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

You asked about pro-lifers killing doctors and saying it was hard to support with factual evidence. There is your factual evidence. George Tiller was murdered by a pro-lifer.

[Dr. Shane]

You asked about pro-lifers killing doctors and saying it was hard to support with factual evidence. There is your factual evidence. George Tiller was murdered by a pro-lifer.

No, I asked to show evidence that the Pro-Life movement encouraged killing abortionist doctors. When someone makes a statement saying "Pro-lifers kill abortionist doctors" that is like saying "Adventists commit adultery." That makes it sound like the Adventist church teaches its members to commit adultery. Simply providing one example of an Adventist that committed adultery isn't enough to support the statement. Even providing ten examples in the past twenty years of Adventists that committed adultery wouldn't support the statement.

Even the link to Wikipedia that Peter provided says "A small fraction of those opposed to abortion have sometimes resorted to very public demonstrations of violence in an effort to achieve their objective of curbing the termination of pregnancy." About 200 million Americans identify themselves as pro-life. Over the past 20 years six abortionist doctors have been murdered. How can one possible make the blanket statement that pro-lifers kill abortionist doctors?

[teresaq]

Originally Posted By: teresaq(sda)

shane took something rudywoofs said out of context and continues to do that post after post.

No, I must disagree. Shane took something rudywoofs posted and placed it in context.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

No, you wrote:

Making a statement that pro-lifers kill doctors is rather far-reaching generalization that is hard to support with factual evidence.

I gave supporting evidence. I did not state that all pro-lifers kill. You made a blanket statement and attributed it to me. Shame on you.

[Dr. Shane]

Below is the thread in question.

Pro-lifers don't generally want to admit to any wrongdoing. They kill physicians who perform abortions and then chortle about it. They post crude comments about deaths of professionals who have done abortions, and then get upset when those irresponsible comments are removed from the forum..

I'm sorry you don't see more to the issue than an "exchange of ideas"...

[Dr. Shane]

I did not state that all pro-lifers kill.

The word "all" is implied. I learned that in 10th grade English class.

If I say "Adventists don't eat pork." I don't have to add the word "all". It is implied.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

No it isn't. Your 10th grade English class was flawed.

[Dr. Shane]

OK, I will let "There Buster" be the judge. He is a teacher and published author. I will trust his judgment. I know if I were to say, "Adventists are vegetarians" most people would read that as "All Adventists are vegetarians" and correct me. The correct way to write it would be "Some Adventists are vegetarians."

Now since 6 pro-lifers out of 200,000,000 have killed abortionist doctors in the past 20 years, I think even saying "Some Pro-lifers kill doctors" would be stretching. I think "A handful of Pro-life lunatics have killed doctors" would be more accurate.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

okay. SOME pro-lifers kill doctors. Satisfied, Shane? Feel better? Go ahead and ask There Buster for his opinion. His opinion is not a consensus.

My father taught English, and he would back ME up. So it's a moot situation.

[doug yowell]

Shane,you probably have already guessed but you and I disagree on some basic details of how the SDA church (to keep on topic) should approach the abortion issue, particularly in the area of governmental legislation. I don't find your arguments compelling (challenging,but not compelling). But what I do find compelling is your civility with those of us who disagree with you.No insults, no demeaning comments,no false accusations,no distortions,and a sympathy for person facing an unwanted pregnancy. I thank you for your support for CPC's.I commend you for your Christian courtesy. I salute you for your patience. It is only under these conditions that anyone can have the possibility meaningful interchange. Under the present circumstances I think that Titus 1:15,16 aptly applies.And it would seem apparent (ask Karl) that further interaction with those (and their cheerleaders) whose only contribution seems to be the degradation of those disagree with them, is a meaningless pursuit."For out of the heart the mouth speaketh"

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

But what I do find compelling is your civility with those of us who disagree with you.No insults, no demeaning comments,no false accusations,no distortions,and a sympathy for person facing an unwanted pregnancy. I thank you for your support for CPC's.I commend you for your Christian courtesy. I salute you for your patience. It is only under these conditions that anyone can have the possibility meaningful interchange. Under the present circumstances I think that Titus 1:15,16 aptly applies.And it would seem apparent (ask Karl) that further interaction with those (and their cheerleaders) whose only contribution seems to be the degradation of those disagree with them, is a meaningless pursuit."For out of the heart the mouth speaketh"

Look who's talking about demeaning comments, and sympathy for a person facing an unwanted pregnancy...."Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness." Matthew 23:27

[teresaq]

Below is the thread in question.

Originally Posted By: rudywoofs

Pro-lifers don't generally want to admit to any wrongdoing. They kill physicians who perform abortions and then chortle about it. They post crude comments about deaths of professionals who have done abortions, and then get upset when those irresponsible comments are removed from the forum..

I'm sorry you don't see more to the issue than an "exchange of ideas"...

Now let's look at the second sentence:

Quote:

They kill physicians who perform abortions and then chortle about it.

The word "they" is a pronoun. Its use in this sentence is a reference back to the word "Pro-lifers" in the previous sentence.

That statement being made is: Pro-lifers kill physicians who perform abortions and then chortle about it.

i have been putting this up over and over again. now you do it and your wording is interesting. why didnt you do this the first time i called you on it?

did you need her to use "generally" in each sentence after the first one? the first use wasnt good enough for you?

perhaps, the goal is to make light of those against abortion that have killed? while pro-choice have nary a stain to their record?

[teresaq]

OK, I will let "There Buster" be the judge.

no thanks!! i will think for myself, but you do what you wish.

when the majority try to convince me that sunday is the true sabbath by the grace of God i will still think for myself.

(out of curiosity, would you expect a person who is hungry to doublecheck with a nutritionist, or should they just rely on their gut?)

[teresaq]

No, you wrote:

Originally Posted By: Shane

Making a statement that pro-lifers kill doctors is rather far-reaching generalization that is hard to support with factual evidence.

I gave supporting evidence. I did not state that all pro-lifers kill. You made a blanket statement and attributed it to me. Shame on you.

he isnt going to cop to, perhaps, misreading the intent of your post.

[Guest]

Originally Posted By: teresaq(sda)

there is a difference between a person having feelings and being supersensitive.

there is also a difference between being "offended by the truth" whatever you think that is, and feeling hurt by the callous and unfeeling comments made by some.

but i get that you may not know the difference, unless i say something about you, then ill bet youd scream the loudest! ill be watching to see if that is so.

How could you possibly "GET" anything about me at this point? You don't know anything about what I know and don't know. You don't anything about me at all. Maybe you are psychic, but I doubt it. I on the other hand have seen some of your posts on various topics leading up to this one. So I actually do know something about you.

What I "get" about you is that you don't know a great deal about a lot of things, but that doesn't stop you from commenting. I just used this quote a few minutes ago, but with you I think it bears repeating:

Even a fool, when he holds his peace, is counted wise: and he that shuts his lips is esteemed a man of understanding. Pro 17:28

Rex, I think you are being a little too hard on teresaq. I was following up to a point, and even agreeing with you, but you went too far when you quoted the text about being a fool. Maybe you should settle down and not be so quick to denounce. We all have our little quirks.

Luk 6:37 Judge not, and you shall not be judged: condemn not, and you shall not be condemned: forgive, and you shall be forgiven:

[teresaq]

Originally Posted By: Rex

How could you possibly "GET" anything about me at this point? You don't know anything about what I know and don't know. You don't anything about me at all. Maybe you are psychic, but I doubt it. I on the other hand have seen some of your posts on various topics leading up to this one. So I actually do know something about you.

What I "get" about you is that you don't know a great deal about a lot of things, but that doesn't stop you from commenting. I just used this quote a few minutes ago, but with you I think it bears repeating:

Even a fool, when he holds his peace, is counted wise: and he that shuts his lips is esteemed a man of understanding. Pro 17:28[/quote']

Rex, I think you are being a little too hard on teresaq. I was following up to a point, and even agreeing with you, but you went too far when you quoted the text about being a fool. Maybe you should settle down and not be so quick to denounce. We all have our little quirks.

Luk 6:37 Judge not, and you shall not be judged: condemn not, and you shall not be condemned: forgive, and you shall be forgiven:

well now richard if that one didnt absolutely floor me...!!!

i appreciate your kind thoughts and thank you. :)

[Woody]

Quote:

well now richard if that one didnt absolutely floor me...!!!

i appreciate your kind thoughts and thank you.

Yes well it floored me also.

But the Bible text was a little over the top.

[Guest]

Yeah, I know, I'm just full of surprises. Sometimes I can be thoughtful, caring, considerate, and sensitive. Just don't let it get out.

[Woody]

Yeah, I know, I'm just full of surprises. Sometimes I can be thoughtful, caring, considerate, and sensitive. Just don't let it get out.

Wow. This is cool. I like this.

[olger]

Originally Posted By: teresaq(sda)

still missing by a mile, i see, post after post.

If you are going to get after Rex for pretending to know others, I suggest you follow your own advice. Comments like this are just as insensitive as his. Just because people don't protest when you slander them, that does not mean you aren't hurting them.

`le touche.

"Teresa" is on a lot of Adventist sites, and just as driven on them as here.

regards,

oG

[Dr. Shane]

Pro-lifers don't generally want to admit to any wrongdoing. They kill physicians who perform abortions and then chortle about it.

[teresaq]

`le touche.

"Teresa" is on a lot of Adventist sites, and just as driven on them as here.

which be those "lot"?

[teresaq]

Originally Posted By: rudywoofs

Pro-lifers don't generally want to admit to any wrongdoing. They kill physicians who perform abortions and then chortle about it.

Originally Posted By: teresaq(sda)

did you need her to use "generally" in each sentence after the first one? the first use wasnt good enough for you?

The word "generally" as used only applies to the first sentence.

[Guest]

There is a debate going on about abortion at "The Narrow Way" forum. here is a quote from that thread:

Quote:

Making abortion legal leads to many other horrendous sins... If it is OK to kill the helpless unborn, then it won't be long and it will soon be OK to kill the old folks, who are no longer productive, too....in fact, in some places, that is already the case, such as Denmark and Sweden. One of these awful people that OBAMA appointed to some CZAR position, his personal belief is that abortion can take place up until a child is 2 years old! "Let's Kill Babies Up to 2 Years Old".

http://www.thenarrowway.yourlivecommunity.com/topic599_post14212.html#14212

[Nan]

There is a debate going on about abortion at "The Narrow Way" forum. here is a quote from that thread:

Quote:

M One of these awful people that OBAMA appointed to some CZAR position, his personal belief is that abortion can take place up until a child is 2 years old! "Let's Kill Babies Up to 2 Years Old".

http://www.thenarrowway.yourlivecommunity.com/topic599_post14212.html#14212

Do they offer any proof that the "CZAR" believes it is OK to murder 2 year old children? Yes I know I should go to the site and check for myself, but it is just more than I can face this early in the morning :)