Is the Adventist Church Really Pro-life?

[phkrause]

Originally Posted By: Rex

People should not say rude things. What are you suggesting, that it is rude to tell the truth in such a pc society?

I have no problems with telling the truth. I have in mind something called "tact" and something called "empathy". Because you never know who you could be hurting when you say things like "you are supersensitive and should not be debating" or "you should refrain from stating your opinion". Jesus was not "politically correct" (in the worst sense of the word), but He wasn't rude either.

Excellent post Sivart, couldn't have said it better myself.

pk

[Rex]

there is a difference between a person having feelings and being supersensitive.

there is also a difference between being "offended by the truth" whatever you think that is, and feeling hurt by the callous and unfeeling comments made by some.

but i get that you may not know the difference, unless i say something about you, then ill bet youd scream the loudest! ill be watching to see if that is so.

How could you possibly "GET" anything about me at this point? You don't know anything about what I know and don't know. You don't anything about me at all. Maybe you are psychic, but I doubt it. I on the other hand have seen some of your posts on various topics leading up to this one. So I actually do know something about you.

What I "get" about you is that you don't know a great deal about a lot of things, but that doesn't stop you from commenting. I just used this quote a few minutes ago, but with you I think it bears repeating:

Even a fool, when he holds his peace, is counted wise: and he that shuts his lips is esteemed a man of understanding. Pro 17:28

[Rex]

Originally Posted By: Rex

People should not say rude things. What are you suggesting, that it is rude to tell the truth in such a pc society?

I have no problems with telling the truth. I have in mind something called "tact" and something called "empathy". Because you never know who you could be hurting when you say things like "you are supersensitive and should not be debating" or "you should refrain from stating your opinion". Jesus was not "politically correct" (in the worst sense of the word), but He wasn't rude either.

Jesus spoke so straight with the scribes and pharisees, that they thought it went beyond rude. They thought he was obnoxious. And the merchants who were selling animals in the Temple on the Sabbath, didn't like it at all when he drove them out with a whip.

[SivartM]

Originally Posted By: teresaq(sda)

there is a difference between a person having feelings and being supersensitive.

there is also a difference between being "offended by the truth" whatever you think that is, and feeling hurt by the callous and unfeeling comments made by some.

but i get that you may not know the difference, unless i say something about you, then ill bet youd scream the loudest! ill be watching to see if that is so.

How could you possibly "GET" anything about me at this point? You don't know anything about what I know and don't know. You don't anything about me at all. Maybe you are psychic, but I doubt it. I on the other hand have seen some of your posts on various topics leading up to this one. So I actually do know something about you.

What I "get" about you is that you don't know a great deal about a lot of things, but that doesn't stop you from commenting. I just used this quote a few minutes ago, but with you I think it bears repeating:

Even a fool, when he holds his peace, is counted wise: and he that shuts his lips is esteemed a man of understanding. Pro 17:28

And you know anything about her? We have enough people judging each other on this forum, thank you. You know absolutely nothing about her or any of us. Would you like to tell Teresa and Redwood that they are fools to their faces?

We already have enough people throwing Bible verses at each other and pretending to be God. I don't think either Teresa or Redwood (or whoever else you've been calling fools) are fools, but I can think of one person who really ought to take his own advice and "hold his peace".

[SivartM]

Originally Posted By: SivartM

I have no problems with telling the truth. I have in mind something called "tact" and something called "empathy". Because you never know who you could be hurting when you say things like "you are supersensitive and should not be debating" or "you should refrain from stating your opinion". Jesus was not "politically correct" (in the worst sense of the word), but He wasn't rude either.[/quote']

Jesus spoke so straight with the scribes and pharisees, that they thought it went beyond rude. They thought he was obnoxious. And the merchants who were selling animals in the Temple on the Sabbath, didn't like it at all when he drove them out with a whip.

What are you going to do? Drive Teresa out with a whip? Do you think you are Jesus?

[Dr. Shane]

Originally Posted By: Shane

My point would be thoughtout the last 50 or so years how many people claiming to be pro-life have killed doctors that have done abortions????? Than lets see how many people that are for allowing people to have the choice that God created us with that have killer people that are pro-life???? I believe that there is a very large difference. I also believe that one side has zero the other side has in my life time at least 10 if not more!!!!!!

pk

I don't know how many wackos have killed abortionist doctors. There are wackos that go kill gay people and kill black people. There are wackos that kills Jews and others that kill prostitutes. There are all kinds of wackos that kill people. I don't know of any Pro-life organization that encourages its members to kill abortionist doctors. Making a statement that pro-lifers kill doctors is rather far-reaching generalization that is hard to support with factual evidence. That is like saying that white people kill black people, or straight people kill gay people, or Christians kill Jews.

[Rex]

And you know anything about her? We have enough people judging each other on this forum, thank you. You know absolutely nothing about her or any of us. Would you like to tell Teresa and Redwood that they are fools to their faces?

Obviously it hasn't dawned on you that I have the advantage of reading all your past posts. That's how I know about her, and even you junior. If you had read my post that you quoted, you would have known that.

[teresaq]

Originally Posted By: teresaq(sda)

there is a difference between a person having feelings and being supersensitive.

there is also a difference between being "offended by the truth" whatever you think that is, and feeling hurt by the callous and unfeeling comments made by some.

but i get that you may not know the difference, unless i say something about you, then ill bet youd scream the loudest! ill be watching to see if that is so.

How could you possibly "GET" anything about me at this point? You don't know anything about what I know and don't know. You don't anything about me at all. Maybe you are psychic, but I doubt it. I on the other hand have seen some of your posts on various topics leading up to this one. So I actually do know something about you.

What I "get" about you is that you don't know a great deal about a lot of things, but that doesn't stop you from commenting. I just used this quote a few minutes ago, but with you I think it bears repeating:

Even a fool, when he holds his peace, is counted wise: and he that shuts his lips is esteemed a man of understanding. Pro 17:28

i didnt have to wait long did i?

i wonder why those who are the most careless with their words are the most sensitive.

[Dr. Shane]

People should not say rude things. What are you suggesting, that it is rude to tell the truth in such a pc society?

It cuts both ways. Our opinions about what is truth need to be shared tactfully. We need to be considerate of others that disagree with us. We should also avoid personalizing our opinions so that they do not feel like attacks.

I see oversensitive people on this forum - no doubt. I also see rude people that think too highly of their own opinions. Both types of people need to take a look at their behavior - in my opinion.

[teresaq]

Originally Posted By: SivartM

I have no problems with telling the truth. I have in mind something called "tact" and something called "empathy". Because you never know who you could be hurting when you say things like "you are supersensitive and should not be debating" or "you should refrain from stating your opinion". Jesus was not "politically correct" (in the worst sense of the word), but He wasn't rude either.[/quote']

Jesus spoke so straight with the scribes and pharisees, that they thought it went beyond rude. They thought he was obnoxious. And the merchants who were selling animals in the Temple on the Sabbath, didn't like it at all when he drove them out with a whip.

well we sure got your picture of what happened, didnt we?!? and you are living up to your picture with all your might it would appear.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

Originally Posted By: teresaq(sda)

there is a difference between a person having feelings and being supersensitive.

there is also a difference between being "offended by the truth" whatever you think that is, and feeling hurt by the callous and unfeeling comments made by some.

but i get that you may not know the difference, unless i say something about you, then ill bet youd scream the loudest! ill be watching to see if that is so.

How could you possibly "GET" anything about me at this point? You don't know anything about what I know and don't know. You don't anything about me at all. Maybe you are psychic, but I doubt it. I on the other hand have seen some of your posts on various topics leading up to this one. So I actually do know something about you.

What I "get" about you is that you don't know a great deal about a lot of things, but that doesn't stop you from commenting. I just used this quote a few minutes ago, but with you I think it bears repeating:

Even a fool, when he holds his peace, is counted wise: and he that shuts his lips is esteemed a man of understanding. Pro 17:28

You're one of the rudest people on the board right now.

[SivartM]

Originally Posted By: SivartM

And you know anything about her? We have enough people judging each other on this forum, thank you. You know absolutely nothing about her or any of us. Would you like to tell Teresa and Redwood that they are fools to their faces?

Obviously it hasn't dawned on you that I have the advantage of reading all your past posts. That's how I know about her, and even you junior. If you had read my post that you quoted, you would have known that.

I did read the post I quoted, but reading past posts does not mean that you know anything about us. It means that you might know a few facts about me (for example, you seem to have picked up on the fact that I'm a teenager), but you don't know me in the sense that it's appropriate to call me "junior".

I will play your game, though. From your posts, I can tell that you think very highly of yourself, and those who disagree with you you think of as less intelligent.

[SivartM]

Originally Posted By: Rex

How could you possibly "GET" anything about me at this point? You don't know anything about what I know and don't know. You don't anything about me at all. Maybe you are psychic, but I doubt it. I on the other hand have seen some of your posts on various topics leading up to this one. So I actually do know something about you.

What I "get" about you is that you don't know a great deal about a lot of things, but that doesn't stop you from commenting. I just used this quote a few minutes ago, but with you I think it bears repeating:

Even a fool, when he holds his peace, is counted wise: and he that shuts his lips is esteemed a man of understanding. Pro 17:28 [/quote']

You're one of the rudest people on the board right now.

That's a big accomplishment for someone who has only been here just over a month...

I guess someone just wanted to spread the... love. :\

[teresaq]

Originally Posted By: rudywoofs

Pro-lifers don't generally want to admit to any wrongdoing. They kill physicians who perform abortions and then chortle about it. They post crude comments about deaths of professionals who have done abortions, and then get upset when those irresponsible comments are removed from the forum..

I'm sorry you don't see more to the issue than an "exchange of ideas"...

Originally Posted By: Shane

I think that is an unfair generalization

why did you make rw look like she said something she didnt?

[phkrause]

I have a lot of friends that are pro-life. None of them have ever killed any physicians.

My point would be thoughtout the last 50 or so years how many people claiming to be pro-life have killed doctors that have done abortions????? Than lets see how many people that are for allowing people to have the choice that God created us with that have killer people that are pro-life???? I believe that there is a very large difference. I also believe that one side has zero the other side has in my life time at least 10 if not more!!!!!!

pk

I don't know how many wackos have killed abortionist doctors. There are wackos that go kill gay people and kill black people. There are wackos that kills Jews and others that kill prostitutes. There are all kinds of wackos that kill people. I don't know of any Pro-life organization that encourages its members to kill abortionist doctors. Making a statement that pro-lifers kill doctors is rather far-reaching generalization that is hard to support with factual evidence. That is like saying that white people kill black people, or straight people kill gay people, or Christians kill Jews.

Here is a link to those wackos. We've been talking about abortion not how many gay's , blacks, jews (and if you need a number for how many jews, I can tell you at least the number of my family that were killed by wackos, but we were not talking about Jews), and prostitutes. And I didn't make a statement as if I knew, I asked how many have been killed compared to the other way around!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

and this is only from 1993. Again I'll ask how many have died because of people that say they are for LIFE????????????????

And how many people that are pro-choice have done likewise???????????

And by the way I tried googling it the other way around and came up empty.

pk

[SivartM]

still missing by a mile, i see, post after post.

If you are going to get after Rex for pretending to know others, I suggest you follow your own advice. Comments like this are just as insensitive as his. Just because people don't protest when you slander them, that does not mean you aren't hurting them.

[teresaq]

Originally Posted By: SivartM

And you know anything about her? We have enough people judging each other on this forum, thank you. You know absolutely nothing about her or any of us. Would you like to tell Teresa and Redwood that they are fools to their faces?

Obviously it hasn't dawned on you that I have the advantage of reading all your past posts. That's how I know about her, and even you junior. If you had read my post that you quoted, you would have known that.

tsk, tsk.

come to spread "Jesus", did you?

well, i can see noone better disagree with you or they're really gonna get it, arent they?!?

[teresaq]

Originally Posted By: teresaq(sda)

still missing by a mile, i see, post after post.

If you are going to get after Rex for pretending to know others, I suggest you follow your own advice. Comments like this are just as insensitive as his. Just because people don't protest when you slander them, that does not mean you aren't hurting them.

shane took something rudywoofs said out of context and continues to do that post after post.

[Dr. Shane]

shane took something rudywoofs said out of context and continues to do that post after post.

No, I must disagree. Shane took something rudywoofs posted and placed it in context. Let's not make Shane into a villain. That would be a personal attack. Of course, Shane isn't that thin skinned but let's not take advantage of his spiritual maturity.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

Making a statement that pro-lifers kill doctors is rather far-reaching generalization that is hard to support with factual evidence.

Did you miss this one in the news??

Quote:

On May 31, 2009, George Tiller, a physician from Wichita, Kansas, who was nationally known for being one of the few doctors in the United States who performed late-term abortions was murdered, allegedly by anti-abortion activist Scott Roeder. Tiller was shot to death during a Sunday morning service at his church, where he was serving as an usher. Many believed the killing to be directly related to Tiller's position on abortion.

Dr. George Tiller was killed on May 31, 2009, shot to death during worship services at the Reformation Lutheran Church in Wichita, where he was serving as an usher. The church is a congregation of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. Tiller was shot in the head at point blank range; he was wearing a flak jacket, as he had been since 1998, when the FBI told him he was targeted by anti-abortion extremists....Roeder was arrested within three hours of the shooting, and charged with first-degree murder and related crimes two days later.

[Stan]

Has anyone ever see anyone else change their mind on abortion issues on any forum? EVERY?

WAIT is this going to be the first forum to do so?

AM THINKING no, all it does is frustrate posters, A LOT.

[Dr. Shane]

Here is a link to those wackos. We've been talking about abortion not how many gay's , blacks, jews (and if you need a number for how many jews, I can tell you at least the number of my family that were killed by wackos, but we were not talking about Jews), and prostitutes.

pk

My point is that people that kill abortionist doctors are no different than hate-mongers that target other sectors of the population. If they were not killing abortionist doctors they would be killing someone else. There are wacko environmentalists that drive spikes into trees that end up killing loggers. So should we make a blanket generalization that environmentalists kill loggers? Of course not.

What I want to see is where there is a Pro-life organization that encourages its members to kill abortionist doctors. I know there are individual wackos that go off the deep end but it is unfair to make a blanket generalization about the entire Pro-life movement based on the wackos. It would be fair to say Pro-lifers protest outside of abortion clinics. That is true for most every pro-life organization.

Now are you asking how many pro-choice people have killed pro-life people? I am not sure how that mindset would work. I understand the wacko pro-life lunatics that thinks by killing an abortionist doctor he is saving the lives of babies. How would a pro-choice advocate justify, in their mind, killing a pro-life advocate? I know environmentalist lunatics that justify killing loggers do so because they believe they are saving trees. I am not sure what a pro-choice person would be trying to accomplish by killing a pro-life person.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

Has anyone ever see anyone else change their mind on abortion issues on any forum? EVERY?

WAIT is this going to be the first forum to do so?

AM THINKING no, all it does is frustrate posters, A LOT.

that's for certain..

[Dr. Shane]

Has anyone ever see anyone else change their mind on abortion issues on any forum?

I changed my mind.

[Dr. Shane]

Originally Posted By: Shane

Making a statement that pro-lifers kill doctors is rather far-reaching generalization that is hard to support with factual evidence.

Did you miss this one in the news??

Quote:

On May 31, 2009, George Tiller, a physician from Wichita, Kansas...

No, I didn't miss that ONE. What I missed was the pro=life organization behind it. Please, tell me which pro-life organization was behind this? Or was this some hate-monger lunatic that went off the deep end?