I drink coffee too

[olger]

If people who drink coffee can't quit tomorrow then they are an addict. "I will not be mastered by anything..." (1 Cor 6:12).

oG

[phkrause]

Good point rudywoofs, not to disagree with GLG. I do think that she makes a good point also. Those that live longer in that article not only did eat a vegan diet I believe, they also stated that God was number one in there lives, but that they had a great support system as well. Obviously I took that article at face value that most of those had little to no processed sugar etc. I also would guess that most of them make there own desserts? But I am just guessing.

pk

[olger]

Originally Posted By: lazarus

Is this an Advenitst forum or not? You'll be telling me that you all drink Coke. Whether it's decaffeinated or not is beside the point!!! Coffee is coffee and Coke is Coke.

That is the point. The whipping boy for every cultic SDA who needs to find fault with these drinks is because of the caffeine. This is the moral platform that is stood upon.

If that moral shortcoming is removed, the argument is a moot point.

If you want to argue that from a health point of view we shouldn't consume it, you might have a point against soft drinks. However, you better be ready to rail against cookies, cakes, pastries and many other sugary goodies that most SDAs scarf down at potluck and at Christmas.

If you want to take this stance that no matter if it is decaf or not we shouldn't have it, then either you are a legalist who follows the letter of the law despite it's illogistics, or a hypocrite if you consume sugar at all.

Friend. It is not in the purpose of God that any of us would be addicted to food or drink.

oG

[Neil D]

Do you wear fig leaves, or what, Neil? LOL

You're requesting too much information, Pam.

And fig leaves are NOT eatable....Have you tried?

[lazarus]

You being the preacher/standard bearer and all, what is the position of the Adventist church regarding eatable underwear?Is it considered pornographic or just unhealthy eating?

I'm scared to answer that question. What is eatable underwear. Is that an American invention. Do they sell it at the ABC?

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

And fig leaves are NOT eatable....Have you tried?

Fig leaves ARE edible! And medicinal...

Quote:

You probably do not think about the leaves of the fig tree as one of fig's edible parts. But in some cultures, fig leaves are a common part of the menu, and for good reason. The leaves of the fig have repeatedly been shown to have antidiabetic properties and can actually reduce the amount of insulin needed by persons with diabetes who require insulin injections. In one study, a liquid extract made from fig leaves was simply added to the breakfast of insulin-dependent diabetic subjects in order to produce this insulin-lowering effect.

source

But I won't ask about what you wear anymore...

[Tom Wetmore]

... It is not in the purpose of God that any of us would be addicted to food or drink.

oG

Hmmm... ... I need a dictionary again...

addiction or addicted

"to become physiologically or psychologically dependent on a habit forming substance to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma."

For many years I have habitually consumed both food and drink. The last I tried kicking my physiological dependence on "food or drink" I was in fact severely traumatized, if you call dehydration and starvation, "severe trauma." I do believe if I had kept that up I would have died a very traumatic death. I guess I am a hopeless addict to food and drink.

But somehow I have concluded that God may have designed us to actually be physiologically dependent on food and drink to survive, so I just gave up on kicking that nasty habit of eating and drinking...

[Tom Wetmore]

Originally Posted By: Tom Wetmore

Those who work exclusively from an Adventist apologetics perspective little understand or appreciate the value or benefit of either.

Don't let the bloviators get to you...

I haven't got enough faith to have as much doubt as what you create with such latitudinarianism. That religion has been around for a long time. It creates more problem than it solves.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

Originally Posted By: olger

... It is not in the purpose of God that any of us would be addicted to food or drink.

oG

Hmmm... ... I need a dictionary again...

addiction or addicted

"to become physiologically or psychologically dependent on a habit forming substance to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma."

For many years I have habitually consumed both food and drink. The last I tried kicking my physiological dependence on "food or drink" I was in fact severely traumatized, if you call dehydration and starvation, "severe trauma." I do believe if I had kept that up I would have died a very traumatic death. I guess I am a hopeless addict to food and drink.

But somehow I have concluded that God may have designed us to actually be physiologically dependent on food and drink to survive, so I just gave up on kicking that nasty habit of eating and drinking...

LOLOL I was wondering if anyone else was thinking along those lines...

[Gail]

Great smiley!

[Neil D]

LOLOL I was wondering if anyone else was thinking along those lines...

I wonder if eating eatable underwear is an addiction????

Hmmmmmmm.....I don't know....maybe I had better drop this...there is the potential of knowing too much.....about someone....

[lazarus]

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For many years I have habitually consumed both food and drink. The last I tried kicking my physiological dependence on "food or drink" I was in fact severely traumatized, if you call dehydration and starvation, "severe trauma." I do believe if I had kept that up I would have died a very traumatic death. I guess I am a hopeless addict to food and drink.

LOL

[Dr. Shane]

Whether it's decaffeinated or not is beside the point!!!

I have been in Hispanic Adventist churches in North America that served decaffeinated coffee. Many latinos in Latin America drink regular coffee and are aghast when I show them what Ellen White wrote about it.

[Dr. Shane]

If you want to argue that from a health point of view we shouldn't consume it, you might have a point against soft drinks. However, you better be ready to rail against cookies, cakes, pastries and many other sugary goodies that most SDAs scarf down at potluck and at Christmas.

If you want to take this stance that no matter if it is decaf or not we shouldn't have it, then either you are a legalist who follows the letter of the law despite it's illogistics, or a hypocrite if you consume sugar at all.

[Dr. Shane]

[q

Are you aware that the process of decaffeinating coffee leaves other toxins in it?

When buying decaf tea or coffee look for the label that says "naturally decaffeinated." That means it is decaffeinated with the water process and not toxins.

[GreatLakesGramma]

Then why was there such a big hullaballoo over the National Geographic special about SDA's living so much longer due to lifestyle, including (mostly) diet?

There is a lot more to health than what you eat. The Adventist health message is balanced. Diet is only one of the 8 laws of health. You can obsessively maintain the healthiest diet possible, and still destroy your health if you neglect the other seven. You can also eat an unhealthy vegetarian diet and still enjoy better than average health, if you take care of the other areas. I think for most of us it's awfully hard, or maybe just plain impossible, to consistently follow every possible healthy practise. But we will still benefit by doing the best we can under the circumstances we are in.

For me, it's not about longevity, it's about feeling as well as possible as long as I am here.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

I *did* say "lifestyle" ..

[Overaged]

Originally Posted By: guibox

If you want to take this stance that no matter if it is decaf or not we shouldn't have it, then either you are a legalist who follows the letter of the law despite it's illogistics, or a hypocrite if you consume sugar at all.

Well I just do what the Bible says, so.....

No Coke

No Pepsi

No Coffee

Chocolate is OK.

So is mac and cheese.

Mountain dew is good too!

Veggie meat in a rich tomato sauce is good.

Going to movies is bad but Netflix is great.

This is not a personal comment, in any way; but because of my nursing back ground, I can tell you that if one has too much of that "veggie meat," they will be making a trip to the local drugstore for Senokot.

[Overaged]

Don't let the bloviators get to you...

I haven't got enough faith to have as much doubt as what you create with such latitudinarianism. That religion has been around for a long time. It creates more problem than it solves.

Hmmmm, you must be saying that you want to have a smiley contest...

[olger]

Originally Posted By: olger

... It is not in the purpose of God that any of us would be addicted to food or drink.

oG

Hmmm... ... I need a dictionary again...

addiction or addicted

"to become physiologically or psychologically dependent on a habit forming substance to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma."

For many years I have habitually consumed both food and drink. The last I tried kicking my physiological dependence on "food or drink" I was in fact severely traumatized, if you call dehydration and starvation, "severe trauma." I do believe if I had kept that up I would have died a very traumatic death. I guess I am a hopeless addict to food and drink.

But somehow I have concluded that God may have designed us to actually be physiologically dependent on food and drink to survive, so I just gave up on kicking that nasty habit of eating and drinking...

[Guest]

What are you trying to say olger?

[Overaged]

LOL hey Olger! Is that a pic of you? Wouldn't that be fun if you could do that WITHOUT the glass? But then again, some might think you are a Fly Catcher.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

Olger, that's disgusting. "Please don't feed the drama queens.."

[Woody]

Olger, that's disgusting. "Please don't feed the drama queens.."

Now Rudywoofs ... Olger is never dramatic is he?

[Tom Wetmore]

Sort of looks like olger is trying to eat the drama queens...