Guest Posted December 9, 2011 Posted December 9, 2011 is it wrong for me to want so badly for this to be true? There is nothing wrong with wanting everybody to be saved. But try not want it so badly that you let your desires lead you away from believing that what the Bible says is true. In other words, don't let it take you away from God, and the truth. Quote
Moderators John317 Posted December 9, 2011 Moderators Posted December 9, 2011 Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Members phkrause Posted December 9, 2011 Members Posted December 9, 2011 Originally Posted By: SivartM is it wrong for me to want so badly for this to be true? There is nothing wrong with wanting everybody to be saved. But try not want it so badly that you let your desires lead you away from believing that what the Bible says is true. In other words, don't let it take you away from God, and the truth. Excellent thoughts RLH. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Moderators John317 Posted December 9, 2011 Moderators Posted December 9, 2011 I believe that we are going to hear more of the universalism motif as the Emerging Jello continues to devour churches and believers. Universalism is after all a persistent bedfellow of the emerging movement. Look for it and look carefully... I completely agree. God will allow people who don't love the truth to be deceived and believe a lie. 2 Thes. 2:9-12-- The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Moderators John317 Posted December 9, 2011 Moderators Posted December 9, 2011 (quoting):Hosea Ballou looked over at him and said, If you were a Universalist, the idea would never occur to you. This is a false argument and makes it appear that everyone who believes this particular false doctrine is better off than those who believe the Bible. Universalism is one of the teachings of demons that 1 Tim. 4: 1 refers to. It flatly contradicts the truth as it is in Jesus. 1 Tim. 4:1-2 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, [2] through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
olger Posted December 10, 2011 Posted December 10, 2011 It is incoherent to claim that all religions are correct. It would be more rational to say that all are false. Jesus is the way the truth and the life. Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Dr. Rich Posted December 10, 2011 Posted December 10, 2011 Originally Posted By: SivartM is it wrong for me to want so badly for this to be true? There is nothing wrong with wanting everybody to be saved. But try not want it so badly that you let your desires lead you away from believing that what the Bible says is true. In other words, don't let it take you away from God, and the truth. Hmmm? Have you really thought about what you said about this? "nothing wrong with wanting everybody to be saved"? Are you kidding me? IF everyone would be saved regardless of what their deeds were, then God would be a liar and there would be nothing to trust God about! Hey, it's your soul, not mine! If you choose to not obey, then so be it. But God would not be a just God if people could be saved by grace other than their deeds. What Paul said/wrote in Romans 11 about "all Israel will be saved" is totally nonsense and silly and goes against EVERYTHING that God is! Universalism is the same gospel that Satan told Eve and parroted by Paul--that God is so loving that He would NEVER kill you for not obeying Him! Quote
doug yowell Posted December 10, 2011 Posted December 10, 2011 There is nothing wrong with wanting everybody to be saved. But try not want it so badly that you let your desires lead you away from believing that what the Bible says is true. Hmmm? Have you really thought about what you said about this? "nothing wrong with wanting everybody to be saved"? Are you kidding me? IF everyone would be saved regardless of what their deeds were, then God would be a liar and there would be nothing to trust God about! If by "saved" Richard was including the repentance, forgiveness, change of heart (and thus deeds)and renewed life of Christlife living,would it be a bad thing to want everyone to be "saved"? Quote
rawprawn Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 I think this statement by EGW discredits her as a legitimate voice on the topic of God. All human beings are ignorant when discussing God, the creator of the universe and life. I think the statement is arrogant and ignorant. Is the Bible really our only source of information about God? I think that is a very tiny box to keep God in. Quote
Gibs Posted December 13, 2011 Posted December 13, 2011 SivartM, God wants it that all would come and be saved, but all WILL not. He has created all free to decide whether we will do His Will or it is in our make up that we will not do His will in all things. To be in the Heavenly Kingdom each must find his freedom is totally complete within His will. If it is not we would eventually raise up and cause dissention and discord as Satan did. This is not to be any again as He can see the mind and heart set as to where we will stand for eternity. Is He not true and righteous in everything, can any fault be found in Him. Is any of His requirements for us not right or against what is best for us? No, and in the judgement of us every last one will bow and acknowledge He is righteous true and just and no fault can be found in Him toward us. Yes God wants all to be saved, and we are to be His witnesses to work to bring in to Him all we can. Reason with all that we have an oportunity to awaken to do His entire will. Mr 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible. 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. Quote A Freeman In Jesus Christ
dialoguewithus Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 If God didn't save everyone, He would be a liar. We are working on a newer thread now concerning this topic, so anyone who'd like to join us there is welcome. I hope I'm not breaking any rule... http://clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/507280/14.html Quote
Dr. Rich Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 I think this statement by EGW discredits her as a legitimate voice on the topic of God. All human beings are ignorant when discussing God, the creator of the universe and life. I think the statement is arrogant and ignorant. Is the Bible really our only source of information about God? I think that is a very tiny box to keep God in. What more do you need than the words of Jesus given to us by His eyewitnesess? Perhaps you have not yet read those words so you don't fully understand how serious this issue is. What more did Adam need to know that God was his creator? As for those killed by God, they can not ever be saved as they have chosen their fate. Quote
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