bonnie Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Since God is Sovereign, Lord of the universe, nothing happens without His permission. It is for this reason that God assumes the blame for all the bad things that have happened and that are happening in this world. In the fulfillment of the Day of Atonement, however, the blame will be put on Satan, the one who is really responsible for the sin problem. This is whom the scapegoat represents, the one who truly deserves the blame for our sin problem. This may sound sarcastic but is not meant that way.Are you of the opinion that I may not know who is really responsible?? I did figure that out many years ago and have not blamed God for sin Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Sonny Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Everyone is rotten, there is no one that does anything without a selfish motive, regardless of what they do it is wrong. Quote
Sonny Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Here's Romans chapter one: 8 The wrath of God [which is God abandonment of those who insist on living their lives without Him] is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. 24 Therefore God gave them up [He abandoned them] to the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over [again, abandoned them] to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. Quote
bonnie Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Originally Posted By: bonnie Everyone is rotten, there is no one that does anything without a selfish motive, regardless of what they do it is wrong. Yes, this is what the Bible teaches. God gave the law to place our pride in the dust of the ground. If you can't admit you are a sinner, bent to self, then you don't need God. Quote: Tell someone long enough how worthless they are by throwing bible texts at them to prove it you will see results I don't think God intended with the biblical words. In ourselves we are worthless. There's nothing redeeming in human nature. IF you don't buy this wait because with human secularism creeping in to our churches and government you are going to see how good mankind with God. Be afraid, be very afraid of living without God. Outside God is nothing but sin and death. You know and I know that I said nothing about living without God. You are not God and it is your vision of God I reject. This has become more pointless as it goes. You might want to be a bit more careful with ....Be afraid, be very afraid of living without God. That is not what I said and yes,I reject wholeheartedly your seeming belief that you the one to translate what God really meant to us. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Sonny Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Bonnie, you aren't reading what I write. You have preconceived ideas that you are injecting into my statements. Again, without God in our lives we are rotten, it doesn't matter how good we look on the outside. Quote
Sonny Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 You might want to be a bit more careful with ....Be afraid, be very afraid of living without God. No, I am mortified of living my life without God. I totally invite this God who loves me more than Himself to be with me daily. Quote
bonnie Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Bonnie, you aren't reading what I write. You have preconceived ideas that you are injecting into my statements. Again, without God in our lives we are rotten, it doesn't matter how good we look on the outside. No,I have read clearly what you have written.Never said a word about a life without God. It is the vision of God you have I completely reject. Nor did I say anything about looking good on the outside. As I said before this whole conversation is pointless and you can maybe find someone else to engage. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Sonny Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 It is the vision of God you have I completely reject. That God is in control? That nothing happens without God's consent? Hasn't God allowed Lucifer to develop his system of selfish love is this world? God has to deal with this mess. If He doesn't micro-manage then we are at the total mercy of God's enemy, Satan. Quote
Stan Posted January 31, 2011 Author Posted January 31, 2011 Sonny If you are new to forums please understand this.. People do not change their minds, unless there is a miracle, forget about that happening. Think of the viewers when you post. The ones who read and are checking things out. the longer a person has been a member of a forum, the more they generally insist on having the last word. AND I am glad you are here. Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Moderators LynnDel Posted January 31, 2011 Moderators Posted January 31, 2011 the longer a person has been a member of a forum, the more they generally insist on having the last word. I am glad you said "generally" - but generally you may be right. LD Quote LD
LifeHiscost Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 The underlined has little to do with you general tone and theme throughout this topic. Reading your other posts mesh with your view on this. Everyone is rotten,there is no one that does anything without a selfish motive,regardless of what they do it is wrong. There are children that are reared hearing these words while growing up, some end up doing some pretty hideous things. Think there is a connection to that type of thinking? Tell someone long enough how worthless they are by throwing bible texts at them to prove it you will see results I don't think God intended with the biblical words. For me,I don't think God wants anyone to die. Why some do so tragically I don't know.But neither does anyone else. Perhaps Jesus' Words would put some light on the subject, if one is willing to believe He knows what He is talking about. "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." Matthew 19:17 KJV And also His spokespersons, the prophets. "They have all turned aside,They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one."Psalm 14:3 NKJV "“ The heart is deceitful above all things,And desperately wicked; Who can know it?"Jeremiah 17:9 NKJV God blesses! Quote Lift Jesus up!!
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