Moderators John317 Posted December 6, 2011 Moderators Posted December 6, 2011 Yeah, I didn't expect an answer, I've asked it often enough. Of course we must love our neighbors as ourselves. Why do you ask? That is the basis of the last six commandments in the moral law of God summed up in the Ten Commandments. The first four commandments are based on the words "You shall love the Lord your God with all your strength," etc. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Twilight II Posted December 6, 2011 Posted December 6, 2011 So, you don't love your neighbour as yourself, you're content to just not kill him, steal from him, or covet his wife ? Why do you think the Ten Commandments are devoid of love? When Jesus said Love thy neighbour as thyself, where do you think He got that from?
BibleOnly Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 I have no time for this circular argument. You can't respond to the Bible, so you just keep restating your position.
Moderators John317 Posted December 7, 2011 Moderators Posted December 7, 2011 I answered your question just a few minutes ago, but maybe my answer was not satisfactory to you for some reason. If that's the case, please give us what you believe is the correct answer or response to your question. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Twilight II Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 What is interesting BO. Is that you present to all of us here that we must have "tongues" as a sign that we are in covenant with God. Yet the Bible says the Sabbath is a sign we are in covenant with God. Yet you deny the Biblical sign, whilst presenting something that a pagan practices as a sign... Quote: Eze 20:18 But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye not in the statutes of your fathers, neither observe their judgments, nor defile yourselves with their idols: Eze 20:19 I [am] the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; Eze 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.
Q.E.D. Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 Yeah, I didn't expect an answer, I've asked it often enough. Your questions are not questions. . . They are objections. Do you get it now? "It's coming nearer now and its what I feared most. . ." Q.E.D. Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
BibleOnly Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 Please give us what you believe is the correct answer or response to your question. I've asked so many without answers... Why does Acts 8 say that baptised believers can be without the Spirit ? How did they know ? Why did the rest of the commandments become something bigger and better with the giving of the 'Golden Rule', but the Sabbath stayed the same ? Why did Jesus say He came to give us rest, if they already took every Saturday off and that's all Jesus was offering ? I'm sure there's plenty more, but I think those are the ones I've asked most recently in this thread.
BibleOnly Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 Originally Posted By: BibleOnly Yeah, I didn't expect an answer, I've asked it often enough. Your questions are not questions. . . They are objections. Do you get it now? "It's coming nearer now and its what I feared most. . ." Q.E.D. They are objectionable to you because you cannot answer them. They are questions because they point out something in the bible and invite a response of explanation. Either way, if you know and understand the Bible, then you believe these verses and could explain how I misread them, if you were interested in expounding truth.
Q.E.D. Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 What is interesting BO. Is that you present to all of us here that we must have "tongues" as a sign that we are in covenant with God. Yet the Bible says the Sabbath is a sign we are in covenant with God. Yet you deny the Biblical sign, whilst presenting something that a pagan practices as a sign... Amen Twilight II ! Q.E.D. Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
Moderators John317 Posted December 7, 2011 Moderators Posted December 7, 2011 John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
BibleOnly Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 What is interesting BO. Is that you present to all of us here that we must have "tongues" as a sign that we are in covenant with God. Yet the Bible says the Sabbath is a sign we are in covenant with God. Yet you deny the Biblical sign, whilst presenting something that a pagan practices as a sign... Quote: Eze 20:18 But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye not in the statutes of your fathers, neither observe their judgments, nor defile yourselves with their idols: Eze 20:19 I [am] the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; Eze 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God. Yes, I do not dispute that taking a saturday off was a sign for Israel. But, in the new testament, Peter did not say 'as these men take Saturday off, so shall you', he identified the Holy Spirit with what they saw and heard 'strange lips and other tongues'. Again, you're saying that the people in Acts 8 didn't take Saturdays off, they worked, and so they knew they did not have the Spirit ?
Q.E.D. Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 I have no time for this circular argument. You can't respond to the Bible, so you just keep restating your position. Your not listeninnnnnggg! A still small voice. . . Q.E.D. Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
BibleOnly Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 'You're not listening' ? I have listened. You've moved from using the Bible, and certainly failed to answer my questions from the Bible. Why would you insulting me and telling me I have a demon somehow disprove what the Bible says ?
Twilight II Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 Originally Posted By: John317 Please give us what you believe is the correct answer or response to your question. I've asked so many without answers... Why does Acts 8 say that baptised believers can be without the Spirit ? How did they know ?
BibleOnly Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 Wow - a reply !!! Originally Posted By: BibleOnly Why does Acts 8 say that baptised believers can be without the Spirit ? How did they know ? Act 8:13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. Act 8:14 ¶ Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Act 8:17 Then laid they [their] hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. Act 8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, No mention of tongues here...
Q.E.D. Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 Yes, I do not dispute that taking a saturday off was a sign for Israel. Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
BibleOnly Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 So, it's wrong for me to object when your statements contradict scripture ? But you can say 'but you disrespect the Sabbath' over and over ? What did Jesus say to hypocrites ?
Q.E.D. Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 'You're not listening' ? I have listened. You've moved from using the Bible, and certainly failed to answer my questions from the Bible. Why would you insulting me and telling me I have a demon somehow disprove what the Bible says ? "Telling me I have a demon. . ." Hmmmm. . .Don't really know how to respond to that one! "Slam the door quick before it comes in. . ." Q.E.D. Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
Moderators John317 Posted December 7, 2011 Moderators Posted December 7, 2011 Why does Acts 8 say that baptised believers can be without the Spirit ? How did they know ? Acts 8:14-18 Now when the apostles at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent to them Peter and John, [15] who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, [16] for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. [17] Then they laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit. [18] Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money, Notice that it says these believers had only been baptized in the name of Jesus. They hadn't been baptized in the name of the Holy Spriit. The simple answer to your question is that the new believers must have given some sort of evidence that they had received the Holy Spirit. They were changed. The Holy Spirit's coming into our lives always makes a change in us. If there's no change-- if we're still the same as we were before we accepted Jesus and were baptized into His name--- it's a sign that the Holy Spirit is not in our lives. In the case of the new believers in Acts 8, it is possible that they gave evidence of various gifts of the Spirit, including the speaking in tongues. The evidences of the Holy Spirit aren't by any means limited to the speaking in tongues, however. It would be a mistake to think that a person must speak in tongues in order to show evidence of having received the Holy Spirit. An even more important and dramatic sign is that whereas a person gave evidence of the works of the flesh, now he gives evidence of the fruit of the Spirit. See Gal. 5: 19-25. As Paul says: 1 Cor. 13:1-8 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. .... [8] Love never ends.... as for tongues, they will cease.... John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
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