Gibs Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 And John brings out something to be reckoned with, Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. A Freeman In Jesus Christ
jamesonofthunder Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 And John brings out something to be reckoned with, Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. You are exactly right about this Gibs. Since that Sabbath was a high Sabbath they demanded Jesus be taken from the cross (They wouldn't have complained if it was not a high Sabbath) But this proves that the Passover that they believed in was that Saturday, the weekly Sabbath. The followers of Christ kept the Passover on Thursday evening that year, and since Jesus was the giver of the law I venture to say that this was the group that was correct. So in essence the Jews broke the Passover laws by having Him hung on the cross on that Friday which was already in the days of Passover according to Jesus. They began the ceremonial passover by trying to slay the lamb in the temple that Friday at even (3pm). But Jesus had already began the second death on Thursday with the sins of the world upon His head drinking the cup in Gethsemane evening "Under the Passover moon" as Mrs. White put it. Passover was 7 days long. The angel of death passed over the children of God in Egypt while the unsealed first born sons were killed. The next morning they fled. Then they kept the Sabbath and manna fell from heaven. On the seventh day they pass through the Red Sea. Jesus had His passover meal on Thursday evening, then entered Gethsemane to die the second death. Then it was possible that He could be laid hands on, and was under the control of wicked men and Satan so He could die on the cross on Friday evening. Then He laid in the tomb until Sunday morning. As soon as it was in the morning 'day' time hours, He resurrected. But this only comes to three days and three nights. The connection with the seven days of Passover is in the passing through the Red (Blood) sea and the service of the Red Heifer cleansing. It is integral. The Red Heifer cleansing service was on the third and seventh days. John the baptist said on the day Jesus was baptized with water "I baptize with water, be He that is greater than I will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire" The two baptisms. Jesus had received the second sign of the Dove in Gethsemane after the Father withdrew His connection with Him, the Hour of darkness (Recorded in Desire of Ages; Gethsemane). This proves it was His second baptism, the baptism of blood. First comes the baptism of water, then the baptism of blood. On the feast of Tabernacles they celebrated the two baptisms by pouring water into one silver basin, then wine in a second basin and they mixed together through a silver pipe that was communicated with the brook Kidron next to Gethsemane where Jesus suffered the second death and sweat great drops of blood over His whole body which the Red Heifer was a symbol of. This is where Jesus ratified the cup of the new and everlasting covenant which He symbolically offered in the upper room before leaving the eastern Gate to go to Gethsemane. This comprehension of truth is the greatest recent discovery in the Christian world and it is the sign of Jonah to the wicked and adulterous generation.
jasd Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 >>Maybe so but Jesus asked us to feed His sheep not His dialectic giraffes.<< Indeed. And yes, I take your point; however, I'd always thought that this board was where we sorted and mixed the feed - not necessarily where we did the feeding. ;-)
jasd Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 >>And, due to it's clarity I'd like to be the first to trumpet that this has been one of your best!!<< Well, St John must have overlooked this bit of ex parte when proffering the Trumpets narrative, yes? ;-) Thanx, "best" is good - even if "one of".
jasd Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 >>is the weekly Sabbath and when HOLY DAYS began at sundown. I can prove it!<< "prove it!" Please, I'd like that. And, of course, there are sundowns and there are sundowns - without mention of sunsets, twilights, between the evenings, the first stars of the night, etc. And then there is the Western Mountain between the setting sun and the one Sabbath observer - and the lack thereof between another Sabbath observer standing a coupla hundred yards from the first... (just a bit of hobgloblinry ;-)
jamesonofthunder Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 I have been praying about this and I am fully convicted that no matter what is said you have made your minds and are not of a teachable Spirit, So I will not continue to debate with you. The evidence has already been sufficiently given, but you will be left in your stubbornness. The Holy Spirit is warning you, but instead of commenting on anything of value you still argue with a contrite Spirit. Important Notes On Observing Jewish Holidays (http://www.ou.org/chagim/important.htm) All Jewish holidays and observances, with the exception of some fasts, begin on the evening previous to the first day. Except as noted, all require special additional prayers and services are held in the Synagogue. All Jewish Holidays with Sabbath-like restrictions require that all normal business, school or secular activities cease about two hours before sundown on the eve of the Holiday to allow for adequate preparations. Actual Holiday restrictions go into effect approximately half an hour before sundown on the eve of the Holiday. Some of the restricted activities include all forms of vehicular travel, writing, direct use of electrical devices, measurements and any preparations for, or discussion of, normal weekday activities or responsibilities. Some activities, such as cooking and carrying, that are forbidden on the Sabbath and Yom Kippur, are permitted on the other holidays. Restrictions end approximately one hour after sundown of the last day. No travel or restricted activities are permitted until then. Holiday restrictions cannot be relaxed except in circumstances when there is mortal danger to a human life. Fast days include special prayers and extended synagogue services both in the morning and afternoon. Both food and water are forbidden until approximately one hour after sunset. Except for Yom Kippur, Jewish fast days are not observed on the Sabbath and their dates of observance are altered accordingly as indicated on the linked calendar. We hope you will return to this page often as we are striving to make it the largest Jewish holiday resource in Cyberspace. We are working with rabbanim and yeshivot worldwide to bring you a wide variety of Torah teachings, in print on tape and on video. If you have a favorite that you do not see listed - please let us know and we will try to get it for you. Satisfied?
Gibs Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 That's how God laid it out, evening part first and the light part second, all six days the same and finally HE rested the Seventh. Ge 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Ge 1:31 ¶ And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Ge 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. Is that hard to comphrehend? I think not. Just type in "at even" on the search line of your Bible software and use the search for "exact phrase" and read it was at even, meaning at evening. 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. A Freeman In Jesus Christ
Dr. Rich Posted January 13, 2012 Posted January 13, 2012 It seems that there is considerable disputation concerning the time that passed between Christ's death and His resurrection. In reading the scriptures that pertain to this subject, without going into a preparative study for a dissertation, it is logical and clear that Christ died on Friday afternoon...before sundown, as it was preparation Friday. His grave was discovered to be empty just before the light of dawn on Sunday morning, the first day of the week. Within this premise lies a multitude of questions, opinions, astronomical observations and all kinds of other suppositions and exegetical analyses. According to the day/night (sundown/sundown) time used at that period of time, the day of Friday ended at sundown, and Saturday commenced, continuing until sundown on Saturday, at which time the first day of the week was ushered in. Thus, there were three days involved...Friday, Saturday and Sunday. If you believe that Christ was resurrected, then you should believe what Christ said...'that He would rise after three days'. The three days would be Friday (the day He died), Saturday (the day He rested in the grave) and Sunday (the day He arose). The reason Christ remained in the grave during the Sabbath is that He observed the Sabbath, even in death, for He rested from His work...His ministry, followed by His salvational death on the Cross. He said as Noah was for thre days AND three nights my friend--so the idea that Jesus died on Friday was clearly incorrect. He died at the same time the Passover Lamb was to be killed and if you just do a LITTLE research, you will find that Passover on that year was just after sundown on Wednesday--NOT friday.
Lysimachus Posted January 13, 2012 Posted January 13, 2012 *whew* .... hope you don't take this offensively, Seventh Day, but my head spins when I read your posts. It's so difficult to know what you're saying with the way you write. 90% of the time I don't even know what point you are arguing. You speak in riddles. ~Lysimachus (Marcos S.) Author of article, Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation (see attachment for article) Currently writing a book, Vindicating the Historical School of Prophetic Interpretation Founder of the largest and fastest SDA Apologetics Group on Facebook, Seventh-Day Adventism - Defending the Pillars of the Faith Writer and apologetics contributor at Adventist Defense League Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation.pdf
Lysimachus Posted January 13, 2012 Posted January 13, 2012 How's my Spanish? European Fanagalo I suppose. Your English is worse. ~Lysimachus (Marcos S.) Author of article, Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation (see attachment for article) Currently writing a book, Vindicating the Historical School of Prophetic Interpretation Founder of the largest and fastest SDA Apologetics Group on Facebook, Seventh-Day Adventism - Defending the Pillars of the Faith Writer and apologetics contributor at Adventist Defense League Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation.pdf
Dr. Rich Posted January 13, 2012 Posted January 13, 2012 Originally Posted By: Aussiemike So Jesus was resurrected on a Saturday inspite of the fact that the scripture says that he was resurrected on the first day of the week! Like waves on the sea shore the nonsense just keeps rolling in. I agree! Mary went to the tomb on the first day of the week which would have been sundown Saturday and Jesus had already risen! Case closed! No one saw Him rise from the grave. There is no verse that says that Jesus rose on the first day of the week!
Dr. Rich Posted January 13, 2012 Posted January 13, 2012 Originally Posted By: Dr. Rich Jesus was the Passover Lamb and was killed by Hid own Father on the exact time the Passover lamb was to have been killed. That was just before sunset on Wed. not Thurs. 72 hours from that time would have been just before sunset on Sabbath--showing that Jesus rose from the grave before they got to the tomb just after sundown on Sat. which by their time would have been the first day--it being started at sundown. which calender are you reckoning this Passover from? Did you know that out of all of the Jewish calenders the dates have been confused to the point where there there is no plausible conclusion that can be drawn? We only have the bible record to go by now. The only Jewish calendar that the Spirit of Prophecy or historical Adventist used was called the karaite calendar (which is how they computed October 22, 1844) but even the so called modern day karaites have confused their own historical comprehension lately. (mainly to detract from Adventists using their calendar). I believe you are also forgetting that Jesus bade the disciples to have their Passover meal the night of His betrayal. Do you think Jesus would break His own ceremonial law? There were two different groups of people keeping two different Passovers that week. The Spirit agrees that at the moment of the almost slaying of the so called Pascal Lamb in the temple, Jesus died on the cross, but this shows this group had no clue what they were doing or they would have been at the cross, why would you go to them for enlightenment? He also was "Cut off" (Dan 9:26) from the Father in Gethsemane the same evening Jesus had the true Passover meal. All of the Atonement connected sacrifices were fulfilled between Thursday night and Sunday Morning. Please be careful brother because you do not know what you are doing in the same spirit as written here... "Satan presented before them the glorious resurrection of Jesus, and told them that by His rising on the first day of the week, He changed the Sabbath from the seventh to the first day of the week. Thus Satan used the resurrection to serve his purpose. He and his angels rejoiced that the errors they had prepared took so well with the professed friends of Christ. What one looked upon with religious horror, another would receive. Thus different errors were received and defended with zeal." You can believe EGW or the truth,because they are not the same thing. The Atonement was in the fall my friend--the Passover Lamb was what Jesus was. He knew exactly the correct time and said three days and three nights--just a Noah. I believe what Jesus said and that would agree with what my research has shown. The Jews did not want to enter the Court for fear they would become defiled. Hint hint
doug yowell Posted January 13, 2012 Posted January 13, 2012 [it is a fact of life that the style in which one posts contributes significantly to the degree to which others will bother to pay attention and respond. Another example is long posts. They most often get skipped or skimmed at best. It's a sort of life lesson. If we don't communicate the gospel in the language, style of communication, vocabulary, etc. of the people we seek to reach, we fail. Amen!!
doug yowell Posted January 13, 2012 Posted January 13, 2012 (just a bit of hobgloblinry ;-) Any relation to greengoblinry?
Lysimachus Posted January 13, 2012 Posted January 13, 2012 You can believe EGW or the truth,because they are not the same thing. The Atonement was in the fall my friend--the Passover Lamb was what Jesus was. He knew exactly the correct time and said three days and three nights--just a Noah. I believe what Jesus said and that would agree with what my research has shown. The Jews did not want to enter the Court for fear they would become defiled. Hint hint By this statement, you are rejecting the pen of inspiration. Without Ellen White, the debates on when Christ rose would be endless. But both have so called "proofs" to prove their points. The blessing to those that believe, according to the plain utterances of scripture, that Christ rose on the First Day of the Week, is that they have the Spirit of Prophecy to CONFIRM their conclusions. I would argue that those who allow themselves to be strengthened and assured by the Spirit that spoke through this Godly woman is on much safer grounds, and will be protected from the pervading confusion that emanates from millions of confused people that do not know what is up, down, right, or left. So many people are cocky and think they are gifted to interpret the Bible, but they are relying on finite human weakness--frail human comprehension. Human reasoning cannot be trusted. But the Spirit can. This is EXACTLY what the Gift of Prophecy has been given for according to the Scriptures.... That "....we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive." (Ephesians 4:12,13) ~Lysimachus (Marcos S.) Author of article, Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation (see attachment for article) Currently writing a book, Vindicating the Historical School of Prophetic Interpretation Founder of the largest and fastest SDA Apologetics Group on Facebook, Seventh-Day Adventism - Defending the Pillars of the Faith Writer and apologetics contributor at Adventist Defense League Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation.pdf
jamesonofthunder Posted January 13, 2012 Posted January 13, 2012 Originally Posted By: Dr. Rich You can believe EGW or the truth,because they are not the same thing. The Atonement was in the fall my friend--the Passover Lamb was what Jesus was. He knew exactly the correct time and said three days and three nights--just a Noah. I believe what Jesus said and that would agree with what my research has shown. The Jews did not want to enter the Court for fear they would become defiled. Hint hint By this statement, you are rejecting the pen of inspiration. Without Ellen White, the debates on when Christ rose would be endless. But both have so called "proofs" to prove their points. The blessing to those that believe, according to the plain utterances of scripture, that Christ rose on the First Day of the Week, is that they have the Spirit of Prophecy to CONFIRM their conclusions. I would argue that those who allow themselves to be strengthened and assured by the Spirit that spoke through this Godly woman is on much safer grounds, and will be protected from the pervading confusion that emanates from millions of confused people that do not know what is up, down, right, or left. So many people are cocky and think they are gifted to interpret the Bible, but they are relying on finite human weakness--frail human comprehension. Human reasoning cannot be trusted. But the Spirit can. This is EXACTLY what the Gift of Prophecy has been given for according to the Scriptures.... That "....we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive." (Ephesians 4:12,13) You are absolutely correct, The Seventh Day Adventist message was prophesied in scripture and the Spirit of Prophecy is one of the gifts of God for the true end time church. Praise Jehovah for Sending us His Son who ascended to heaven so we could receive His gifts. For He ascended upon high and led captivity in His wake, giving gifts to men. Anyone who asserts himself as a Christian but denies the Spirit of Prophecy is a liar and a thief. Because Here ar they that keep the commandments of God and the Testimony of Jesus, for the Testimony of Jesus IS the Spirit of Prophecy!
doug yowell Posted January 13, 2012 Posted January 13, 2012 Without Ellen White, the debates on when Christ rose would be endless. But both have so called "proofs" to prove their points. Not really. Even with Ellen White the debate goes on. And that even though the 99.413% of Bible believing Christians in the world believe exactly what she did on which day He rose.It just goes to show that every clear teaching of the Bible has been made a point of contention by someone who knows better.
doug yowell Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 So, while no Scripture can be annulled, but the Friday Crucifixion Sunday resurrectionists had no answers to these very Scriptures, WHAT DID THEY DO?! THEY CORRUPTED THEM TO FIT their Friday Crucifixion Sunday resurrection LIE! Yes, and not me, SD=GE, need SHOW you these actual perversions of God's Word, THE TRANSLATORS DO IT THEMSELVES! Go compare the English Bibles of before the 20th century with the Bibles of since the 20th century at these Scriptures! NOT ONE has survived the ordeal unscathed! And who wants me to believe him that there is no conspiracy? Me.
jamesonofthunder Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder .........................Since that Sabbath was a high Sabbath they demanded Jesus be taken from the cross ....................... What sense is this? Do you say Jesus was on the cross still on ‘that Sabbath’? No... Not that He was on the cross on the Sabbath but the Pharisees did not want Him still on the cross that Sabbath when Jerusalem would be full of pilgrims for Passover that Saturday. They came to break His legs on Friday so He would not still be on the Cross on their Passover, but they found Him already dead. The point I was getting to before is that Jesus and His followers kept the Passover Seder on Thursday evening which proves the Pharisees were keeping the wrong day. Since it was the beginning of the 7 days of Passover on Thursday, the Jews who demanded His legs be broke so He would be dead before the Passover were actually already breaking the very law they were fighting to keep, by having Him on the cross that Friday, because it was already Passover.
Bert Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Dr Rich - In your premise you have stated that the Passover was 'just after sundown on Wednesday'. If you are referring to that period of time when Wednesday ceases at sundown, then the Passover meal that evening would have been early Thursday, followed by Christ's prayers in Gethsemene, His arrest, trial and crucifixion during Thursday, dying around the ninth hour on Thursday. That being the case, then Christ would have been in the grave four days...Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I submit that the Last Supper took place 'just after sundown on Thursday'. The gospels do not provide a period of 72 hours, but three days. The following chronological statements appear to be either explicit or implicit in the Gospel narrative and are rather generally accepted by Bible students: a. The crucifixion took place on "the preparation [eve] of the Passover," that is, on Nisan 14 (John 19:14; cf. Talmud Pesahim 58a, Soncino ed., pg. 288; Sanhedrin 43a, Soncino ed., pg. 281; Ex. 12:6.) b. The death of Christ took place on a Friday afternoon (Mark 15:42 to 16:2; Luke 23:54 to 24:1; John 19:31, 42; 20:1), about the time of the evening sacrifice. c. Accordingly, in the year of the crucifixion, Nisan 14, the day appointed for slaying the paschal lambs, fell on a Friday; the preparation for (or eve of) the Passover conincided with the preparation for (or eve of) the weekly Sabbath (John 19:14; cf. vs 31, 42; ch. 20:1). The first ceremonial sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Nisan 15, thus concided with the weekly Sabbath (Lev. 23:6-8; cf. Mark 15:42 to 16:2; Luke 23:5 to 24:1). d. The Last Supper took place the night preceding the crucifixion (Matt. 26:17, 20, 26, 34, 47; 27:1,2,31; Mark 14:12, 16, 17: Luke 22:7, 8, 13-15; John 13:2, 4, 30; 14:31; 18:1-3, 28; 19:16, that is, during the early hours of Nisan 14 and thus on a Thursday night. e. The synoptic accounts call the Last Supper a Passover supper (Matt. 26:17, 20; Mark 14:12, 16,17; Luke 22:7,8,13-15. f. John's account places the official Jewish celebration of the Passover supper 24 hours later than the Last Supper, and thus on Friday night following the crucifixion, during the early hours of the weekly Sabbath (John 18:28; 19:14, 31, which would be Nisan 15. g. At the time of the Last Supper (John 13:1), during the course of the trial (Matt. 26:5; Mark 13:2; John 18:28; 19:14) and on the way to Calvary, the official celebration of the Passover was apparently yet future. h. Jesus lay in the tomb over the Sabbath (Matt 27:59 to 28:1; Mark 15:43 to 16:1; Luke 23:54 to 24:1; John 19:38 to 20:1), which would be Nisan 15. i. Jesus arose from the tomb early Sunday morning, Nisan 16 (Matt 28:1-6; Mark 16:1-6; Luke 24:1-6; John 20:1-16; see on Mark 15:42, 46). For a more detailed discussion of the various attempts that have been made to harmonize the statements of John and the Synoptics with regard to the time of the Last Supper in relation to the Passover, the reader is referred to the following: Grace Amadon, "Ancient Jewish Calendation," Journal of Biblical Literature , vol. 61, part 4, 1942, pp. 227-280; C. K. Barrett, The Gospel According to St. John, pp. 39-41; J. H. Bernard, International Critical Commentary, on St. John, vol. 1, pp. cvi-cviii; D. Chwolson, Das Letzte Passamahl Christi und der Tag Seines Todes; The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, art. "Chronology of the New Testament"; J. K. Klausner, Jesus of Nazareth, tr. Herbert Danby, pp. 326-329; A. T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament, on Matt. 26:17; John 18:28; H. L. Strack and Paul Billerbeck Kommentar zum Neuen Testament, vol. 2, pp. 812, 813. (Source: SDA Commentary) This is just a very short explanation of this subject. One can study a full discussion of the calendrical problems that are involved in establishing an accurate date and time. According to the US Naval Observatory in a letter dated January 24, 1956, it says that "The dates of Nisan 14 in the years of the first century of the Christian era cannot possibly be determined by any astronomical calculation; they can be fixed, if by any means at all, only by the study and interpretation of contemporary records." Also, a letter from the Royal Greenwich Observatory, Sussex, England, dated 24th January 1956, in response to establishing dates has this to say, "The chief difficulty in calculating the phase of the Moon two thousand years ago is the impossibility of predicting the irregularities of rotation of the Earth in the last two thousand years." Both of these letters were in response to a letter sent by the Review and Herald, asking if there was any "validity in a lunar calculation as a method for arriving at Nisan 14 in any year of the 1st century A.D."
Dr. Rich Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Gibs - As the verse cited in your post says, 'it was the preparation day', which is always Friday, the day prior to the Sabbath, and this day was always on Friday, and still is. There was also a preparation day for the Passover too. Remember, Jesus cleaned up the Tempel because it was His Father's house. Take a look at this: http://web.mac.com/spiritoftruth/STM/Mus..._of_Christ.html
Lysimachus Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Dr Rich - In your premise you have stated that the Passover was 'just after sundown on Wednesday'. If you are referring to that period of time when Wednesday ceases at sundown, then the Passover meal that evening would have been early Thursday, followed by Christ's prayers in Gethsemene, His arrest, trial and crucifixion during Thursday, dying around the ninth hour on Thursday. That being the case, then Christ would have been in the grave four days...Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I submit that the Last Supper took place 'just after sundown on Thursday'. The gospels do not provide a period of 72 hours, but three days. The following chronological statements appear to be either explicit or implicit in the Gospel narrative and are rather generally accepted by Bible students: a. The crucifixion took place on "the preparation [eve] of the Passover," that is, on Nisan 14 (John 19:14; cf. Talmud Pesahim 58a, Soncino ed., pg. 288; Sanhedrin 43a, Soncino ed., pg. 281; Ex. 12:6.) b. The death of Christ took place on a Friday afternoon (Mark 15:42 to 16:2; Luke 23:54 to 24:1; John 19:31, 42; 20:1), about the time of the evening sacrifice. c. Accordingly, in the year of the crucifixion, Nisan 14, the day appointed for slaying the paschal lambs, fell on a Friday; the preparation for (or eve of) the Passover conincided with the preparation for (or eve of) the weekly Sabbath (John 19:14; cf. vs 31, 42; ch. 20:1). The first ceremonial sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Nisan 15, thus concided with the weekly Sabbath (Lev. 23:6-8; cf. Mark 15:42 to 16:2; Luke 23:5 to 24:1). d. The Last Supper took place the night preceding the crucifixion (Matt. 26:17, 20, 26, 34, 47; 27:1,2,31; Mark 14:12, 16, 17: Luke 22:7, 8, 13-15; John 13:2, 4, 30; 14:31; 18:1-3, 28; 19:16, that is, during the early hours of Nisan 14 and thus on a Thursday night. e. The synoptic accounts call the Last Supper a Passover supper (Matt. 26:17, 20; Mark 14:12, 16,17; Luke 22:7,8,13-15. f. John's account places the official Jewish celebration of the Passover supper 24 hours later than the Last Supper, and thus on Friday night following the crucifixion, during the early hours of the weekly Sabbath (John 18:28; 19:14, 31, which would be Nisan 15. g. At the time of the Last Supper (John 13:1), during the course of the trial (Matt. 26:5; Mark 13:2; John 18:28; 19:14) and on the way to Calvary, the official celebration of the Passover was apparently yet future. h. Jesus lay in the tomb over the Sabbath (Matt 27:59 to 28:1; Mark 15:43 to 16:1; Luke 23:54 to 24:1; John 19:38 to 20:1), which would be Nisan 15. i. Jesus arose from the tomb early Sunday morning, Nisan 16 (Matt 28:1-6; Mark 16:1-6; Luke 24:1-6; John 20:1-16; see on Mark 15:42, 46). For a more detailed discussion of the various attempts that have been made to harmonize the statements of John and the Synoptics with regard to the time of the Last Supper in relation to the Passover, the reader is referred to the following: Grace Amadon, "Ancient Jewish Calendation," Journal of Biblical Literature , vol. 61, part 4, 1942, pp. 227-280; C. K. Barrett, The Gospel According to St. John, pp. 39-41; J. H. Bernard, International Critical Commentary, on St. John, vol. 1, pp. cvi-cviii; D. Chwolson, Das Letzte Passamahl Christi und der Tag Seines Todes; The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, art. "Chronology of the New Testament"; J. K. Klausner, Jesus of Nazareth, tr. Herbert Danby, pp. 326-329; A. T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament, on Matt. 26:17; John 18:28; H. L. Strack and Paul Billerbeck Kommentar zum Neuen Testament, vol. 2, pp. 812, 813. (Source: SDA Commentary) This is just a very short explanation of this subject. One can study a full discussion of the calendrical problems that are involved in establishing an accurate date and time. According to the US Naval Observatory in a letter dated January 24, 1956, it says that "The dates of Nisan 14 in the years of the first century of the Christian era cannot possibly be determined by any astronomical calculation; they can be fixed, if by any means at all, only by the study and interpretation of contemporary records." Also, a letter from the Royal Greenwich Observatory, Sussex, England, dated 24th January 1956, in response to establishing dates has this to say, "The chief difficulty in calculating the phase of the Moon two thousand years ago is the impossibility of predicting the irregularities of rotation of the Earth in the last two thousand years." Both of these letters were in response to a letter sent by the Review and Herald, asking if there was any "validity in a lunar calculation as a method for arriving at Nisan 14 in any year of the 1st century A.D." Now THAT makes a WHOLE LOT MORE SENSE than the confusing gibberish that "Seventh Day" has been offering us. ~Lysimachus (Marcos S.) Author of article, Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation (see attachment for article) Currently writing a book, Vindicating the Historical School of Prophetic Interpretation Founder of the largest and fastest SDA Apologetics Group on Facebook, Seventh-Day Adventism - Defending the Pillars of the Faith Writer and apologetics contributor at Adventist Defense League Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation.pdf
Lysimachus Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Seventh Day, http://www.wednesdaycrucifixion.com/ - Page 1 http://www.wednesdaycrucifixion.com/wednesdaycrucifixion.html - Page 2 http://www.wednesdaycrucifixion.com/wednesday-crucifixion.html - Page 3 Case closed. :) ~Lysimachus (Marcos S.) Author of article, Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation (see attachment for article) Currently writing a book, Vindicating the Historical School of Prophetic Interpretation Founder of the largest and fastest SDA Apologetics Group on Facebook, Seventh-Day Adventism - Defending the Pillars of the Faith Writer and apologetics contributor at Adventist Defense League Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation.pdf
Lysimachus Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Originally Posted By: Lysimachus Seventh Day, http://www.wednesdaycrucifixion.com/ - Page 1 http://www.wednesdaycrucifixion.com/wednesdaycrucifixion.html - Page 2 http://www.wednesdaycrucifixion.com/wednesday-crucifixion.html - Page 3 Case closed. SD: Case closed closer than Lysimachus It's use who has to contend with the arguments presented. Your private interpretations are leading us nowhere to the truth. You show contempt for the Spirit of Prophecy, and you flaunt yourself around that you understand these texts better than anyone. Even though almost every scholar the world over disagrees with your Greek rendering of these passages. Deal with the arguments presented in the web-links I gave you. ~Lysimachus (Marcos S.) Author of article, Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation (see attachment for article) Currently writing a book, Vindicating the Historical School of Prophetic Interpretation Founder of the largest and fastest SDA Apologetics Group on Facebook, Seventh-Day Adventism - Defending the Pillars of the Faith Writer and apologetics contributor at Adventist Defense League Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation.pdf
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