Samie Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 However, allow me to ask you a question: 1. Why does the decree itself have to mention the rebuilding of the city in order for it to not be implied by the king?
Samie Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 ...But here's the bottom line....you have no choice but to start the 70 weeks in 457 B.C., as Bob Pickle insightfully proved, through astonromomical calculations, that no other date is able "make the numbers work out". So no matter how hard you try to slice it, cut it, or dice it, this states stands without impeachment. ...
Samie Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 ...Let's not keep pushing the envelope brother Samie. Time to finally submit to incontrovertible math. Time to finally accept that you may be wrong for once in your life.
Lysimachus Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 The decree DID NOT MENTION anything about the rebuilding of the city, only of the temple. Read Ezra 7:12-26. ~Lysimachus (Marcos S.) Author of article, Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation (see attachment for article) Currently writing a book, Vindicating the Historical School of Prophetic Interpretation Founder of the largest and fastest SDA Apologetics Group on Facebook, Seventh-Day Adventism - Defending the Pillars of the Faith Writer and apologetics contributor at Adventist Defense League Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation.pdf
Lysimachus Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 I only showed and believe in what Scriptures say. If for you those words are from the enemy of truth, it's up to you, brother. Ditto. I have given you scripture, and I have shown you that your interpretations of scripture are erroneous. You can utilize "scripture" all you want, but that won't make your interpretations of it correct. We are here to show you that the verses you cite do not say what you think they say. They say something totally different when taking in the totality of the Word of God, not isolated portions of scripture. ~Lysimachus (Marcos S.) Author of article, Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation (see attachment for article) Currently writing a book, Vindicating the Historical School of Prophetic Interpretation Founder of the largest and fastest SDA Apologetics Group on Facebook, Seventh-Day Adventism - Defending the Pillars of the Faith Writer and apologetics contributor at Adventist Defense League Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation.pdf
Samie Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 Originally Posted By: Samie The decree DID NOT MENTION anything about the rebuilding of the city, only of the temple. Read Ezra 7:12-26. Wishful thinking brother. Wishful thinking. And painfully wrong.
Samie Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 Originally Posted By: Samie I only showed and believe in what Scriptures say. If for you those words are from the enemy of truth, it's up to you, brother. Ditto. I have given you scripture, and I have shown you that your interpretations of scripture are erroneous. You can utilize "scripture" all you want, but that won't make your interpretations of it correct. We are here to show you that the verses you cite do not say what you think they say. They say something totally different when taking in the totality of the Word of God, not isolated portions of scripture. Me, interpreting? I just believed what Scriptures say. It says 490 days, ergo, I believe it is 490 days. It's you who interprets. The Bible says 490 days, you said the 490 days are 490 years. So, who is interpreting?
Lysimachus Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 Are the following verses, that speak about "the house of God" instead of "the city of God", wishful thinking? Is not the "house of God" the central focal point of the entire spiritual existence of all of Jerusalem? Is not the setting of "magistrates and judges, which may judge all the people that are beyond the river, all such as know the laws of thy God; and teach ye them that know them not." (Ezra 7:25) including more than the beautification of the temple? Anyway, I do not find it expedient to continue harping on your tunnel vision, as it is clear you refuse to acknowledge the evidence I have presented in its totality. ~Lysimachus (Marcos S.) Author of article, Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation (see attachment for article) Currently writing a book, Vindicating the Historical School of Prophetic Interpretation Founder of the largest and fastest SDA Apologetics Group on Facebook, Seventh-Day Adventism - Defending the Pillars of the Faith Writer and apologetics contributor at Adventist Defense League Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation.pdf
Samie Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 Originally Posted By: Samie I only showed and believe in what Scriptures say. If for you those words are from the enemy of truth, it's up to you, brother. Ditto. I have given you scripture, and I have shown you that your interpretations of scripture are erroneous. You can utilize "scripture" all you want, but that won't make your interpretations of it correct. We are here to show you that the verses you cite do not say what you think they say. They say something totally different when taking in the totality of the Word of God, not isolated portions of scripture. Christ said "abomination of desolation" - singular. I believe it. You don't believe it; instead of one, you insist there are three. Who is interpreting? Christ said, "great tribulation" - singular. I believe it. You don't believe it; instead of one, you insist there are three. Who is interpreting? The Bible says "shiqquts" (translated "abomination") is an idol, an image. I believe it. You don't. You say it is a nation, Rome. Who is interpreting? I just believe what the Bible says. Clearly, it is you who interprets what the Bible says. Sadly, your interpretations are wrong, biblically.
Samie Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 Originally Posted By: Samie Are the following verses, that speak about "the house of God" instead of "the city of God", wishful thinking? Is not the "house of God" the central focal point of the entire spiritual existence of all of Jerusalem? Is not the setting of "magistrates and judges, which may judge all the people that are beyond the river, all such as know the laws of thy God; and teach ye them that know them not." (Ezra 7:25) including more than the beautification of the temple?
Samie Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 Anyone else who might want to refute the conclusions I posted in post #545390, using the Bible and the Bible alone as basis for counter-arguments? The Review and Herald, December 15, 1885. {1SM 416.2} Quote: When God’s Word is studied, comprehended, and obeyed, a bright light will be reflected to the world; new truths, received and acted upon, will bind us in strong bonds to Jesus. The Bible, and the Bible alone, is to be our creed, the sole bond of union; all who bow to this Holy Word will be in harmony. Our own views and ideas must not control our efforts. Man is fallible, but God’s Word is infallible. Instead of wrangling with one another, let men exalt the Lord. Let us meet all opposition as did our Master, saying, “It is written.” Let us lift up the banner on which is inscribed, The Bible our rule of faith and discipline
Lysimachus Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 Christ said "abomination of desolation" - singular. I believe it. You don't believe it; instead of one, you insist there are three. Who is interpreting? ~Lysimachus (Marcos S.) Author of article, Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation (see attachment for article) Currently writing a book, Vindicating the Historical School of Prophetic Interpretation Founder of the largest and fastest SDA Apologetics Group on Facebook, Seventh-Day Adventism - Defending the Pillars of the Faith Writer and apologetics contributor at Adventist Defense League Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation.pdf
Lysimachus Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 The Review and Herald, December 15, 1885. {1SM 416.2} I have nothing against proving doctrine from the Bible and the Bible alone. After all, everyone of our Reformers came to the conclusion that the Antichrist was realized in the Papal System without Ellen White. But, new light never eclipses old light. The Spirit of Prophecy clearly revealed deeper principles that the scriptures do not elaborate upon. Such as, that Christ's words were speaking of a two-fold event that reflected the great tribulation that was soon to break upon the Disciples, but also was referring to the final and last great tribulation prior to Christ's Second Advent. He mercifully veiled from them this dual application, for it would have squelched their hopes. Had he unfolded to them the oncoming 2000 years of apostasy, this would have worked against the Disciples, not for them. The Bible is to lay the "foundation", and the Spirit of Prophecy provides the finishing touches upon that foundation. You quote Ellen White, but yet you ignore her other statements where she says not one pin is to be removed from our foundations. She said the Papacy IS the Antichrist! She saw in many visions that it was this power that would be the persecuting power in the last days. You refuse to acknowledge this. You refuse to acknowledge the day-for-year principle in the 1260 years during the Dark Ages. You are determined to skip over the Dark Ages and find no time element here whatsoever. You just wont' give up, and are determined to be as stubborn as a door nail. ~Lysimachus (Marcos S.) Author of article, Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation (see attachment for article) Currently writing a book, Vindicating the Historical School of Prophetic Interpretation Founder of the largest and fastest SDA Apologetics Group on Facebook, Seventh-Day Adventism - Defending the Pillars of the Faith Writer and apologetics contributor at Adventist Defense League Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation.pdf
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted May 17, 2012 Administrators Posted May 17, 2012 Moderator Note: I think this topic has been beaten to death several times over and now some participants seem more interested in beating on others. This topic is now locked. "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
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