skyblue888 Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Trust me it is not taught in fifth grade science. It is not taught by the so-called scientists of today and you won't find this knowledge in any of our universities. Only to them that are not too learned or too wise to believe just what God says in His Words and in the Testimonies of His Spirit is this true science revealed. Will you not at least hear the evidence before you make up your mind? sky "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Q.E.D. Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Trust me it is not taught in fifth grade science. It is not taught by the so-called scientists of today and you won't find this knowledge in any of our universities. Only to them that are not too learned or too wise to believe just what God says in His Words and in the Testimonies of His Spirit is this true science revealed. Will you not at least hear the evidence before you make up your mind? sky Ok, I'll bite. . .What evidence? "Hook, line and sinker." Q.E.D. Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
skyblue888 Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Working on it. :) "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Q.E.D. Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Working on it. Anxiously waiting while perusing. . . http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/seventh-day-adventist/TI4K7DF9HHTI7B1QQ Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
skyblue888 Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Oh there you go. I see you spotted it on Topix.com So you did read all this before? sky "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Q.E.D. Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Oh there you go. I see you spotted it on Topix.com So you did read all this before? sky Read some of it about an hour ago. Looking for the source of it. "Elementary my dear Watson. . ." Q.E.D. Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
Gibs Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Yahweh our God is fiercely angry with sin here in this last time. The word "indignation" used here in Dan. 8:19 tells us this, Now you talk about being the opposite of being very happy this is it! Da 8:19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be. za`am zah'-am from 2194; strictly froth at the mouth, i.e. (figuratively) fury (especially of God's displeasure with sin):--angry, indignation, rage. No cooling water this time, a consuming fire from He who is a consuming fire, He is it! He has given man every advantage to come and be saved and be overcomers and know true bliss but man will not, man wants it his way and no change of heart and death of will and self and pride, no falling on the Rock, Jesus Christ to be saved. A man must die of his old self here and in this age is the day of salvation. This He can't do for you, you must come and be broken and be His and His only. 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. A Freeman In Jesus Christ
skyblue888 Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Gibs, the God that I know does not froth at the mouth in anger! Satan does but not God. All of us really need to sit at the feet of Jesus and learn of Him if we are to get acquainted with the living God. "Acquaint now yourself with Him." Job 22:21. It is called His indignation simply because when He is forced to withdraw His protection from the world whom He loves so much, death and destruction takes place at the hand of the destroyer since God can no longer prevent him from doing his work knowing that Satan delights in bloodshed. sky Gibs, please read about what caused the flood here... http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/seventh-day-adventist/TI4K7DF9HHTI7B1QQ "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
skyblue888 Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Originally Posted By: skyblue888 Oh there you go. I see you spotted it on Topix.com So you did read all this before? sky Read some of it about an hour ago. Looking for the source of it. "Elementary my dear Watson. . ." Q.E.D. Okay. sky "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Robert Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 "God is love" If it's love for God to kill those who hate Him then it's okay for me to kill those who hate me. But of course that's not loving your enemy as you love yourself. 1 Peter 2:21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. 22 "He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth." 23 When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly. Christ is our example. He loved His enemies. He was willing to give up all the glories and wealth of heaven so that His enemies could take His place. So now - I'm suppose to believe His character completely changes and He burns with anger - drowning & burning those who are His enemies? The medical term for this is a split personality...Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde!
skyblue888 Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 "When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly." From D.A. right? sky "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
skyblue888 Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 ha okay at first i thought that sentence was detached from the rest. "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Gibs Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Gibs, the God that I know does not froth at the mouth in anger! Satan does but not God. All of us really need to sit at the feet of Jesus and learn of Him if we are to get acquainted with the living God. "Acquaint now yourself with Him." Job 22:21. It is called His indignation simply because when He is forced to withdraw His protection from the world whom He loves so much, death and destruction takes place at the hand of the destroyer since God can no longer prevent him from doing his work knowing that Satan delights in bloodshed. sky Gibs, please read about what caused the flood here... http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/seventh-day-adventist/TI4K7DF9HHTI7B1QQ No Sky I'm sure Yahweh does not froth at the mouth but that is the definition of "indignation" used in Dan. 8:19 to give one a see of how high is His anger with sin. You just need to understand Sky it is only the Creator who can ultimately do away with sin, sinners and rebellion that no trace of it can bloom again and it will not. No seeds or roots will be left. He is the consuming fire that will acomplish His ultimate purpose. It is LOVES strange act, it must be done or He wouldn't be LOVE! The particular "indignation" used there indicates it is the last end of His indignation. It is all about the time of the end, appointed, an utter end of sin, etc. Na 1:9 ¶ What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time. Na 1:10 For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry. 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. A Freeman In Jesus Christ
skyblue888 Posted August 4, 2012 Posted August 4, 2012 Gibs, its like you are saying it is only God who can really kill people. God is the ultimate killer, the ultimate destroyer. If you died tonight from a heart attack you would be a dead man and if God were to not raise you from the dead, you would be a dead man forever and God would not have had to kill you at all. It is the same with the second death. The wicked of all ages will turn on Satan and his angels and they will end up killing each other and the fire that will consume them will come from their own midst and they won't be resurrected. sky "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Gibs Posted August 4, 2012 Posted August 4, 2012 If I died tonite I would be raised again either to live eternally or to die the second death eternally. If He didn't consume the spirit He would have to have a pen to keep the damned spirits in eternally. The spirit is life, it only comes from He who is Life and only He is able to snuff it out. He gave it, it is part of Him. But that life has been corrupted and must be taken out by His Fire. Unlike the fire we know. The following SOP makes it clear that Satan and his are still around and fire from God out of Heaven gets them and the more destroyer they are the more they are punished until consumed by the fire of course from God. That then is the utter end and LOVE has performed His Strange Act! "Satan rushes into the midst of his followers and tries to stir up the multitude to action. But fire from God out of heaven is rained upon them, and the great men, and mighty men, the noble, the poor and miserable, are all consumed together. I saw that some were quickly destroyed, while others suffered longer. They were punished according to the deeds done in the body. Some were many days consuming, and just as long as there was a portion of them unconsumed, all the sense of suffering remained. Said the angel, "The worm of life shall not die; their fire shall not be quenched as long as there is the least particle for it to prey upon." {EW 294.1} Yahweh is the consuming fire that does the finale, culmination to end it eternally. Yah, LOVE, has proven He is LOVE! We will all acknowledge it and know it for sure, redeemed and lost all will bow the knee and confess it. His judgements and actions are true and righteousness and the only way it can be done. 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. A Freeman In Jesus Christ
Robert Posted August 4, 2012 Posted August 4, 2012 If I died tonite I would be raised again either to live eternally or to die the second death eternally. So you have no idea?..Terrible! Just terrible. That's what a religion of fear will produce. Satan has already won!
Gibs Posted August 4, 2012 Posted August 4, 2012 The fire that consumes the wicked hosts is the same fire that rebuilds the earth! Who alone is it? Listen!, " Satan and his angels suffered long. Satan bore not only the weight and punishment of his own sins, but also of the sins of the redeemed host, which had been placed upon him; and he must also suffer for the ruin of souls which he had caused. Then I saw that Satan and all the wicked host were consumed, and the justice of God was satisfied; and all the angelic host, and all the redeemed saints, with a loud voice said, "Amen!" {EW 294.2} Said the angel, "Satan is the root, his children are the branches. They are now consumed root and branch. They have died an everlasting death. [color:#3333FF]They are never to have a resurrection, and God will have a clean universe.[/color]." I then looked and saw the fire which had consumed the wicked, burning up the rubbish and purifying the earth. Again I looked and saw the earth purified. There was not a single sign of the curse. 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. A Freeman In Jesus Christ
Robert Posted August 4, 2012 Posted August 4, 2012 Satan bore not only the weight and punishment of his own sins, but also of the sins of the redeemed host, which had been placed upon him; and he must also suffer for the ruin of souls which he had caused. Where, in the law, does it say the curse of the law is suffering? I can find where it says the curse of the law is the 2nd death, but I can't find torture.
Robert Posted August 4, 2012 Posted August 4, 2012 Some were many days consuming, and just as long as there was a portion of them unconsumed, all the sense of suffering remained. Does that sound like a God of love? What you are asking me to believe is that God uses torture. I mean think about it: In order for someone to live many days while on fire, God would have to constantly rejuvenate the body so pain could be felt. That's sadistic.
Gibs Posted August 4, 2012 Posted August 4, 2012 Robert maybe you don't regard EGW I don't know but those were her words. Here is some from scripture, 2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: Your knees and mine and all to the last one lost or saved will bow the knee and acknowledge His Righteousness! Yes He will punish for the tremendous crime of evil and it's great cost is too great for man to comphrehend. Our little finite minds don't fathom it. Just be careful, very careful you are not among the deceivers! It is a serious thing to be a false teacher and lose just one soul! 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. A Freeman In Jesus Christ
Robert Posted August 4, 2012 Posted August 4, 2012 It is a serious thing to be a false teacher and lose just one soul! Anyone who would believe & worship a god who claims to be love, but threatens you with unimaginable violence is a sick puppy. John 16:2 ... the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. 3 And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me.
Gibs Posted August 4, 2012 Posted August 4, 2012 Robert, You better take my post more serious and not be so antagonistic of what others see of God. You see He says what He means and means what He says but you want to make of it what you want it to say. Do so at your own peril and don't blame me as I have given you the truth, His Word! I suggest you complain to Him! 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. A Freeman In Jesus Christ
Robert Posted August 4, 2012 Posted August 4, 2012 You better take my post more serious and not be so antagonistic of what others see of God. Go scare someone else....That BS doesn't work with me!
Felix Florimon Posted August 4, 2012 Posted August 4, 2012 "God is love" If it's love for God to kill those who hate Him then it's okay for me to kill those who hate me. But of course that's not loving your enemy as you love yourself. 1 Peter 2:21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. 22 "He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth." 23 When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly. Christ is our example. He loved His enemies. He was willing to give up all the glories and wealth of heaven so that His enemies could take His place. So now - I'm suppose to believe His character completely changes and He burns with anger - drowning & burning those who are His enemies? The medical term for this is a split personality...Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde!
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