Are We Redeemed?

[JoeMo]

Be Blessed, Gibs,

You would not be the first person to walk out of my Sabbath School class; nor would you be the last.

On the other hand, I have had many people walk in and stay, as well.

One man's revelation may well not be another man's revelation.

[Robert]

Jesus came to save SINNERS of which I am CHIEF.

"I am chief" is in the present, continuous tense.

[Woody]

Originally Posted By: Woody

Jesus came to save SINNERS of which I am CHIEF.

"I am chief" is in the present, continuous tense.

Yes. Thanks for that clarification Rob. And you are correct.

[Woody]

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On the other hand, I have had many people walk in and stay, as well.

Hey JoeMo - from what I have seen on this forum - you present the clear Word of God. I would be most happy to come and to actually STAY in your class.

Not sure where you go to church - But if I am ever there - I would most certainly attend.

[JoeMo]

Thanks, Woody - that blessed me! I would be honored to have you in my class!

[Gibs]

Only the truth will be forever, all that is untrue will end with this age. This age of lies and deceptions is soon to come to an adrupt close!

"Our brethren should be willing to investigate in a candid way every point of controversy. If a brother is teaching error, those who are in responsible positions ought to know it; and if he is teaching truth, they ought to take their stand at his side. We should all know what is being taught among us; for if it is truth, we need it. We are all under obligation to God to know what He sends us. He has given directions by which we may test every doctrine,--"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." If the light presented meets this test, we are not to refuse to accept it because it does not agree with our ideas."--Gospel Workers, pp. 300, 301. {CW 43.3}

"Eve really believed the words of Satan, but her belief did not save her from the penalty of sin. She disbelieved the words of God, and this was what led to her fall. In the judgment men will not be condemned because they conscientiously believed a lie, but because they did not believe the truth, because they neglected the opportunity of learning what is truth." {CC 15.7}

" Christ declared, "I am the way, the truth, and the life." His followers must be as near like him as possible. We cannot speak as he spoke, and yet we are to imitate him; for he is our pattern. We are to erect no false lights, present no heresies for truth. We must know that every position we take can be sustained by the word of God. It is a day when the commandments of men are everywhere urged upon the people as the commandments of God. But it is a solemn, a fearful thing to teach false theories, and lead minds away from the truth which sanctifies the soul. {RH, August 25, 1885 par. 14}

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[LifeHiscost]

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we are not to refuse to accept it because it does not agree with our ideas

When we find some reason to "kill the messenger", figurately speaking, instead of dealing with the Word as it reads, then we have a problem within ourselves needing to be submitted to the Master.

God blesses!

[Woody]

Thanks, Woody - that blessed me! I would be honored to have you in my class!

Cool. And I promise to be a good student.

[LifeHiscost]

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One better think more than twice to go against one sent of God and in this about the ending of time I am with her.

She is one or the other, sent of God or sent of Satan.

I set my stakes that she was sent of God

That of course is not meant to infer that if a person speaks as a result of being called by God, he/she will not receive the excrement of the vast majority of those who are satisfied right where they are.

"....—what persecutions I endured. And out of them all the Lord delivered me. Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. " 2 Timothy 3:11-13 NKJV

God blesses!

[LifeHiscost]

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if I am wrong then Jesus, the Disciples and Apostles and EGW are too as none of them teach any can be saved in sin and continuing sin.

And praise God for that. It means we wont have to live in this cesspool down here any longer.

"He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life." John 12:25 NKJV

God blesses!

[Robert]

Yes, that's good news, but the cesspool includes the love of self....In fact that's the driver behind all sin, yet we never really deal with it...

[LifeHiscost]

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Christ came to earth to vindicate the claims of his Father's law, and his death shows the immutability of that law. But Satan thrusts upon man the fallacy, that the law of God was abolished by the death of Christ, and he thus leads many professed Christians to transgress the Father's commandments, while they assume devotion to his Son. {3SP 195.1}

I would say that this doesn't need repeating but here it is for those who believe the commandment of God was done away. And also for those who, when they fall, need the Helper to put them back on track. As I understand it, the prodigal son had Jesus' robe of righteousness placed on Him as soon as He embraced the Father.

"If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it.

“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;" John 14:14-16 NASB

"My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous."

1 John 2:2 NKJV

God blesses!

[LifeHiscost]

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"Jesus bore the sins of the whole human race, why does Satan bear our sins?"

Jesus bore the sins of all who have sinned, that all might accept the gift of life. Those who choose not to turn away from their sins and receive the cleansing of Jesus' blood through repentance, repentance also being a gift of Jesus, make ineffective that gift.

"Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins." Acts 5:31 NKJV

"And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."

Galatians 3:29 NKJV

I'm unsure if the second promise will apply to those who refuse to accept the old testment prophets, of which Abraham is one.

"But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’"Luke 16:31 NKJV

God blesses!

[Gibs]

LifeHiscost,

I appreciate your input, it is needed, even though we may not be received we tried. The rendition of John 14:15 states it as it should. If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

With All our Hearts and Soul and they are our desire to do and part of us. Then His Divine Nature in us we are more than conquerors. He is our Helper Strength and stay and impervious covering, a sure Pavilion over us.

We are truly blessed by the way He has made for our Salvation.

May all be blessed in it by coming to Him!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[LifeHiscost]

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No, God didn't create evil.

"...so all the world from east to west

will know there is no other God.

I am the Lord, and there is no other.

I create the light and make the darkness.

I send good times and bad times.

I, the Lord, am the one who does these things"

Isaiah 45:6-8 NLT

OTOH there is at least one other translation that puts it this way,

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." KJV

And then there are four,

"The One forming light and creating darkness,

Causing well-being and creating calamity;

I am the Lord who does all these."

I prefer the latter.

God blesses!

[JoeMo]

Woody,

I am the student here. I would likely be gone from this site if it wasn't for people like you. Bless You Brother!

Saved By the Grace of Jesus,

JoeMo

[JoeMo]

LHC,

Please explain the following verse in light of your comment above:

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)

By creating good, evil was automatically created; since evil is simply the absence of good.

[LifeHiscost]

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With All our Hearts and Soul and they are our desire to do and part of us. Then His Divine Nature in us we are more than conquerors. He is our Helper Strength and stay and impervious covering, a sure Pavilion over us.

We are truly blessed by the way He has made for our Salvation.

That is my conviction. And it's from the Word, in or out of context. To continue in sin is to eliminate by choice, one's name as recorded in the book of Life.

"But nothing that defiles or profanes or is unwashed shall ever enter it, nor anyone who commits abominations (unclean, detestable, morally repugnant things) or practices falsehood, but only those whose names are recorded in the Lamb’s Book of Life."Revelation 21:27 AMP parenthesis their's LHC

God blesses!

[LifeHiscost]

Duty calls me away but I'll be back later to answer what is a very good question.

God blesses!

[CoAspen]

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To continue in sin is to eliminate by choice, one's name as recorded in the book of Life.

Well...I reckon we can throw out some NT writers....what were the final words of a famous writer, something about not being able to do what they should do, but what they didn't want to do!!

This out of context use of text snippets can go on for ever, from any point of view. The Bible does not support anyone getting to heaven through lack of sinning. Why can't we just admitt that it is only through Christ that we make, non of our own merits, but Christ only and just stop there!!!! We need some honesty, it is either salvation through Christ or our own works, not a combo!!!! Why does this topic go on and on, on multiple threads??????????????????

[LifeHiscost]

LHC,

Please explain the following verse in light of your comment above:

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)

By creating good, evil was automatically created; since evil is simply the absence of good.

I think I answered that in post #69243. There is some difference between different translations and the majority that I saw favored the word "calamity" in place of evil.

I personally found Young's Literal Translation probably the closest to the truth of the original Greek text, "prepare evil".

That fits in better with this text. Matt 18:7 NKJV

God blesses!

[LifeHiscost]

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To continue in sin is to eliminate by choice, one's name as recorded in the book of Life.

Well...I reckon we can throw out some NT writers....what were the final words of a famous writer, something about not being able to do what they should do, but what they didn't want to do!!

This out of context use of text snippets can go on for ever, from any point of view. The Bible does not support anyone getting to heaven through lack of sinning. Why can't we just admitt that it is only through Christ that we make, non of our own merits, but Christ only and just stop there!!!! We need some honesty, it is either salvation through Christ or our own works, not a combo!!!! Why does this topic go on and on, on multiple threads??????????????????

Here's a snippet you might enjoy, though I'm not sure it fits into the rejection of the Word that says upon receiving Jesus, we are a "new creation"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roZkYfbqpS4

"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new."2 Corinthians 5:17 NKJV

God blesses!

[LifeHiscost]

Just another snippet to reveal someone who is still on the production line but knows she's not who she use to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grGGxlPJZF8&feature=related

God blesses!

[JoeMo]

I agree CoAspen, virtually every topic I see somehow eventually disintegrates into salvation through Christ or our own works. I grow weary of it; yrt I get sucked into it more often than not due to the sheer outrageousness of some of the items that get posted.

[Woody]

I agree CoAspen, virtually every topic I see somehow eventually disintegrates into salvation through Christ or our own works. I grow weary of it; yrt I get sucked into it more often than not due to the sheer outrageousness of some of the items that get posted.