When gays are gifted...

[Guest]

And remember that it is not only homosexuals that are misunderstood.

Now that's a fact, Doug. The whole post actually. And yes, even I am misunderstood sometimes, believe it or not. It may be more accurate to say "I am understood sometimes".

On a different note, I don't understand people who cheat on their spouses and commit adultery. So there's another group that's misunderstood, I guess.

[Gibs]

I just wonder if Jesus isn't the most misunderstood of all. Or is that the wrong expression for it?

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[doug yowell]

yes, even I am misunderstood sometimes, believe it or not.

[Guest]

Completely.

[phkrause]

]Actually the sins of homosexual sex and adultery often have much in common. Take for example (there could be many more examples given)the husband whose wife changes one day and refuses to have sex with him anymore and instead begins to act like a jerk towards him every day. At work he meets a pleasant girl who tells him how much she appreciates him,ect... Or the woman whose husband treats her like she couldn't do anything right. He's a demanding,selfish, unappreciative,tyrant who's probably having an adulterous affair. She meets a really nice guy at work who treats her like a queen and tells her how wonderful she is and that he wishes she wasn't married to that other jerk. Can't we feel sympathy for the victims of their circumstances? Do we just condemn all adultery without knowing the pain that they may be going thru? Don't they have needs too? Hope you understand what I'm saying?

Great post Doug

[Gibs]

Satan really works hard to get any and all to fall in sin. We must keep this in mind continually. He tried Jesus harder than any of us will ever be tried. Why because Satan knew it he didn't get Jesus to fall his "goose" was cooked.

We must come to the place we hate sin so much that no circumstance will take us into it. This takes place in our hearts when we love God and Jesus with ALL our heart and soul.

We are to work with any we can to help them out of sin as any door is opened for us to do that and His Spirit will be your guide. We know not how to work as we should, only He who is Love knows best and sees the heart and when it is a fruitful time.

It is frightfully alarming how so many are now turning to the gay lifestyle. I believe it is being taught to some to do this as a measure for population control.

Also it is a fact now that many can not afford to raise children.

But really it is not a valid excuse to fall into it.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[CoAspen]

Quote:

It is frightfully alarming how so many are now turning to the gay lifestyle. I believe it is being taught to some to do this as a measure for population control.

[olger]

ENVIROMNentalists are BIG ON POPULATION CONTROL.

[Gibs]

They are going to bring it down, way down, many, more than were martyred through the dark ages are to be taken out. It is seen by some to be below 1 billion.

Whatever, we will see it no doubt. Coming soon, war is clamoring loudly.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[M. T. Cross]

ENVIROMNentalists are BIG ON POPULATION CONTROL.

So now the enviromentalists are in league with the gays? I thought they were in league with the pagans.... Or are they all in on it together?

[Gibs]

EC, All things in a way are connected, some we need to worry about. But no, worry never helped did it!

Back to "When Gays are gifted".

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[JoeMo]

Wow! This thread is really getting out of hand. Everyone knows that space aliens (mostly Martians and the Borg) are behing it all. Didn't anyone watch "V" or "Fringe"? Maybe Obama is one of them. C'mom folks!

[Stan]

When gays (or ANYONE/EVERYONE else) who have been gifted, they need to use their gifts.

[JoeMo]

God gives gifts to anyone He pleases to use fro His Glory!

[Gibs]

I believe it is clear though, as long as one has not abandoned the gay lifestyle they will not be given any Spiritual gifts from God. Yes they have certain gifts of being able to perform tasks very well.

Here is some words from the SOP,

16. Homosexuality [THE 1977 ANNUAL COUNCIL

OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH VOTED

THAT "GROSS SEXUAL PERVERSIONS, INCLUDING

HOMOSEXUAL PRACTICES, ARE RECOGNIZED AS

A MISUSE OF SEXUAL POWERS AND A VIOLATION

OF THE DIVINE INTENTION IN MARRIAGE. AS

SUCH THEY ARE JUST CAUSE FOR DIVORCE."--

GENERAL ACTIONS, P. 10. REASONS FOR WHICH

A PERSON MAY BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED FROM THE

SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH INCLUDE

"HOMOSEXUAL PRACTICE AND OTHER

PERVERSIONS."--SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST

CHURCH MANUAL (REVISED 1986), P. 162.]

Sodomitish Impurity. Oh, how disgusted is God with the tame, lifeless, Christless efforts made by some of those who profess to be His servants! God's work must be carried forward strongly and upward. This cannot be done unless the sensuality that corrupts the whole man is separated from the religious experience. This work must be done. {TSB 119.2}

Church members need to fast and pray, striving earnestly to overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony. Not one particle of Sodomitish impurity will escape the wrath of God at the execution of the judgment. Those who do not repent of and forsake all uncleanness will fall with the wicked. Those who become members of the royal family and form God's kingdom in the earth made new, will be saints, not sinners. Isaiah 30:1-3, 8-16. {TSB 119.3}

Those who have had great light and have disregarded it stand in a worse position than those who have not been given so many advantages. They exalt themselves, but not the Lord. The punishment inflicted on human beings will in every case be proportionate to the dishonor they have brought on God. Many, by a course of self-indulgence, have put Christ to open shame.--Letter 159, 1901. {TSB 119.4}

Basest Passions of the Human Heart. Indulgence in unlawful things has become a power to deprave mankind, to dwarf the mind and to pervert the faculties. Just such a state of things as exists today existed before the flood and before the destruction of Sodom. Dissipation is on the increase in our world. Handbills on which indecent pictures are printed are posted up along our streets to allure the eyes and deprave the morals. These presentations are of such a character as to stir up the basest passions of the human heart through corrupt imaginings. These corrupt imaginings are followed by defiling practices like those in which the Sodomites indulged. But the most terrible part of the evil is that it is practiced under the garb of sanctity. Our youth will be defiled, their thoughts degraded, and their souls polluted unless they are barricaded with the truth.--Letter 1, 1875. {TSB 120.1}

Sodom's Sins Today. We are not ignorant of the fall of Sodom because of the corruption of its inhabitants. The prophet has here [Ezekiel 16:49] specified the particular evils which led to dissolute morals. We see the very sins now existing in the world which were in Sodom and which brought upon her the wrath of God, even to her utter destruction.-- 4BC 1161. {TSB 120.2}

Strange Abandonment of Principle. Is there not enough transpiring about us to show us the dangers that beset our path? Everywhere are seen wrecks of humanity, broken-down family altars, broken-up families. There is a strange abandonment of principle, the standard of morality is lowered, and the earth is fast becoming a Sodom. The Sodomitish practices which brought the judgment of God upon the world, and caused it to be deluged with water, and which caused Sodom to be destroyed by fire, are fast increasing. We are nearing the end. God has borne long with the perversity of mankind, but their punishment is no less certain. Let those who profess to be the light of the world, depart from all iniquity.--RH Nov. 10, 1884. {TSB 120.3}

Impurity is today widespread, even among the professed followers of Christ. Passion is unrestrained; the animal propensities are gaining strength by indulgence, while the moral powers are constantly becoming weaker. . . . The sins that destroyed the antediluvians and the cities of the plain exist today--not merely in heathen lands, not only among popular professors of Christianity, but with some who profess to be looking for the coming of the Son of man. If God should present these sins before you as they appear in His sight, you would be filled with shame and terror.--5T 218. {TSB 121.1}

Then the reading in this same article goes on about masterbation, just put in TSB 121.2 in your search.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[CoAspen]

So....the question that might follow is how should the gifts be used, by anyone? Does that mean propagating conspiracies and personal opinions are a part of 'gift' use? Are the gifts meant to be used for God or to forward aour own agenda's?

You are right, this thread is not about useing 'gifts' anymore, it has become about who God will use or not use. Amazing how God needs US to to tell Him what He should be doing!!!!

[Gibs]

CA, I just point out in my opinion practicing gays are gifted but not with the Spiritual gifts of God.

You may tell us how it is you think they are and I'd be interrested, don't just post quips.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.