I'm told by adventist 31 AD Friday Crucifixion. Is this correct?

[12tribes]

Your chart is confusing give me Bible instead.

[12tribes]

Notice that these texts have 3 days , preparation, Sabbath and the first day.

Luke 23:54-56

(54) and that day was the preparation, and the Sabbath drew on.

(55) And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.

(56) and they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment.

Luke 24:1

(1) now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

[todd_vetter33]

Your chart is confusing give me Bible instead.

The words found on the below illustrations are directly from your bible. Not one of the 4 bible gospels illustrates Jesus in Captivity, or in the tomb come sunrise Sunday morning. Fact: There is no legitimate ancient text which illustrates Jesus still in the tomb or in captivity Sunday Morning. Since you request bible text, see below:

Four bible gospels in Chronological order with a perception of a Friday Crucifixion. No testimony omitted

Next is the 4 bible gospels in the correct Chronological order for 3 days and 3 nights to be fulfilled.

What is also apparently unknown to you is that a preparation day can occur on days of the week other than Friday.

[todd_vetter33]

Notice that these texts have 3 days , preparation, Sabbath and the first day.

Luke 23:54-56

(54) and that day was the preparation, and the Sabbath drew on.

(55) And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.

(56) and they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment.

Luke 24:1

(1) now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

Please quote in the correct Chronological order for all four Gospels so that no detail of truth is left out. FACT: I see by the ancient recording you refereneced, you have three possible days clearly represented, but are lacking three nights! I see you present the Verse from luke where the women prepared spices and rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment. Where did the woemen get the spices which they prepared if they did not purchase them until after the Sabbath had passed according to Mark.

What is obviously unknown to you is that your 4 bible gospels are presenting 4 half truths since there are many factual details found in 3 other gospels that you must fit into your testimony for it to be a complete truth. You will notice that I have placed all the 4 bible gospels in Chronological order on the second illustration of my last post in accordence with the traditional Friday Crucifixion perception. If you would list it differently than I did, please share with out ommitting a word. I fear that the half truths as they are currently listed in your 4 bible gospels have possibly mislead you in concert with the traditions of your Christian forefathers.

[12tribes]

2 Chronicles 10:5

(5) and he said unto them, come again unto me after three days. And the people departed.

2 Chronicles 10:12

(12) so jeroboam and all the people came to rehoboam on the third day, as the king bade, saying, come again to me on the third day.

Esther 4:16

(16) go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day: i also and my maidens will fast likewise; and so will i go in unto the king, which is not according to the law: and if i perish, i perish.

Esther 5:1

(1) now it came to pass on the third day, that Esther put on her royal apparel, and stood in the inner court of the king's house, over against the king's house: and the king sat upon his royal throne in the royal house, over against the gate of the house.

Genesis 42:17-18

(17) and he put them all together into ward three days.

(18) and Joseph said unto them the third day, this do, and live; for I fear God:

Matthew 27:62-64

(62) now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,

(63) saying, sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, after three days I will rise again.

(64) Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, he is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.

In this after 3 days meant on the third day

[todd_vetter33]

2 Chronicles 10:5

(5) and he said unto them, come again unto me after three days. And the people departed.

2 Chronicles 10:12

(12) so jeroboam and all the people came to rehoboam on the third day, as the king bade, saying, come again to me on the third day.

Esther 4:16

(16) go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day: i also and my maidens will fast likewise; and so will i go in unto the king, which is not according to the law: and if i perish, i perish.

Esther 5:1

(1) now it came to pass on the third day, that Esther put on her royal apparel, and stood in the inner court of the king's house, over against the king's house: and the king sat upon his royal throne in the royal house, over against the gate of the house.

Genesis 42:17-18

(17) and he put them all together into ward three days.

(18) and Joseph said unto them the third day, this do, and live; for I fear God:

Matthew 27:62-64

(62) now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,

(63) saying, sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, after three days I will rise again.

(64) Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, he is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.

In this after 3 days meant AFTER 3 DAYS

Are you quoting testimony of man or Prophecy concerning your OT References? Prophecy is scripture. Scripture is that which was spoken by the inspiration of God. I am well aware of the various testimonites of men that other men attempt to use to justify the lie they speak concerning the Prophecies that Jesus fulfilled.

Matt 16:21 and Mark 8:31 attempt to quote Jesus for a single moment of his ministry where he offered a prophecy of perfect truth. The truth does not waiver, but according to you and Matthew it does.

Does an Evening and a morning make a day according to scripture (Words spoken by God)? Much of what you are quoting does not state that God spoke it, so it is simply potentially accurate historical record concerning that event, not scripture! Some of what you quote does state that Jesus spoke it but then you illustrate that Jesus was confused about what he spoke by quoting sources that misrepresent what he spoke.

There is a difference. If accurate historical record is scripture and history is unfolding before our eyes, then any news media agency that accurately portrays history as it unfolds is continually writing scripture even today. A historical writing that accurately portays words of truth spoken by inspiration of God are scripture. Ancient writings which misrepresent what was spoken by inspiration of God are bad seed sown in the same field.

Please share for me all 4 bible gospels combined in the correct Chronological order with out omitting a single word so that truth can be revealed to me and others in more than half truths that fall short of the perfect prophecy Jesus spoke.

I have already done this for you in a prior post but i'm curious to see if you would illustrate the events differently than I do. I'll be happy to share your testimony in comparison to the truth once you have completed it! When Jesus said After Three days, He spoke a truth consistant with 3 days and 3 nights. He meant it even if your current doctrine and tradition misrepresent it. Ancient Christian doctrine was not always as messed up as it is today. See below

P.S. At the end of your quote, i changed your "in 3 days" to

'AFTER 3 DAYS" I hop you don't mind if I misquote you since according to you this means the same thing! It's obvious based on the ancient references I have shared with you that Rome has misquoted the truth as well as the more origianl ancient record. But this is no concern for you apparently since truth can change according to you.

[jasd]

Curiosity prompts:

How does the Wednesday crucifixionist deal with the matter of commerce and labor involved in the purchase of a lamb or kid four days prior the 14th; that is, on the Seventh-day Sabbath, ie, Nisan 10?

[todd_vetter33]

Curiosity prompts:

How does the Wednesday crucifixionist deal with the matter of commerce and labor involved in the purchase of a lamb or kid four days prior the 14th; that is, on the Seventh-day Sabbath, ie, Nisan 10?

The lamb did not have to be purchased Monitarily on Ten Nissan, only chosen by the people on ten nissan. The money could exchange hands lawfully at any time before or after the Sabbath.

It's for this reason Jesus did not clean the temple of the animals and money changers until 13 Nissan Tuesday Morning, The day before the Crucifixion and The day many transactions were taking place in the temple prior to the bloodshed of the animals he intended to save from the slaughter.

Though the chief priests paid Judas on Evening of the Sabbath for agreeing to betray Jesus, it would be sad to assume they were following the law as they were conspiring to kill innocent blood.

Blessings.

[todd_vetter33]

Originally Posted By: 12tribes

Mark 8:31

(31) And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

The three days include His sufferings and resurrection not just His death so therefore the three days start the time He was taken so we have:-

Thursday Night

Friday Night

Saturday Night

Friday

Saturday

Sunday

The "three days" included – and had “according to the Scriptures" 1Corinthians 15:4, to include - Christ's Sufferings :

his Final Sufferings “the first day they KILLED the passover”

when

"THIS THAT NIGHT" of “the fourteenth day of the First Month”

his soul was troubled in Him “unto death” in Gethsemane, Place of the Winepress of God’s judgments and

He tasted dying the death of death spiritually,

and

physically the SAME "first day they KILLED the passover” after,

was betrayed,

brought to trial,

was delivered over,

was scourged,

led away and

crucified and

DIED and

“FINISHED” corruptibility,

“God having loosed the pains of death”,

and was FORSAKEN by everyone.

The "three days" included – and had “according to the Scriptures" 1Corinthians 15:4 to include – Christ's “Incorruptibility” and “Hope” : “On the first day of unleavened bread feast” and “fifteenth day of the First Month”, “this Selfsame BONE-day” … [bones do not like “the flesh”, decay] … in which “that which remained”, “the body of Jesus”, was BURIED “to the Ethical Law of the Jews to bury”— the passover-Scriptures.

“This Selfsame BONE-day” the Shekinah of God’s Presence departed from the most holy place of the earthly temple Matthew 27:52 and kept vigil a “Mercy-Seat” in the sepulchre and “ark of the Testimony” in Joseph’s “new grave” over Jesus’ “flesh”. “I fore-saw the LORD always before my face, for He is on my right hand that I should not be moved”.

The "three days" included – and had “according to the Scriptures" 1Corinthians 15:4 to include – Christ's Resurrection: “the sixteenth day of the First Month (He) finished to cleanse the temple.” “You must WAVE the First Sheaf of the firstfruits on the day after the sabbath” --- the ‘sabbath’ of the passover. “Christ the third day according to the Scriptures rose from the dead” …

The "three days" not just included his death and resurrection or just the days of his death and resurrection. They included the _day_ Jesus was BURIED on ---“THAT DAY” was not just a few minutes on Crucifixion-day!

Though a well though out speculation, it still falls short of three days and three nights and misquotes true scripture (words Jesus actually spoke).

Blessings!

[todd_vetter33]

Originally Posted By: todd_vetter33

Though a well though out speculation, it still falls short of three days and three nights and misquotes scripture.

Blessings!

... "well thought" ... that is hypocritical.

SHOW how and where "it still falls short of three days and three nights and misquotes scripture."

You don't know what you're talking or you would have SHOWN where and how my "speculation", "still falls short of three days and three nights and misquotes scripture."

See every post i have given prior which illustrates Jesus fulfilling 3 days and 3 nights and rising from the grave after three days according to the scriptures (words Jesus spoke as well as the laws Jesus claimed to fulfill). Your post does not illustrate Jesus fulfilling 3 days and 3 nights. It simply falls short. Your theory illustrates word of God to be flawwed while claiming your speculation of explination is truth from God.

It's a good example of an oxymoron

[todd_vetter33]

Sound thinking but bad assumption ...

... bad assumption assuming a 'Wednesday-crucifixion' and a 'Sabbath' tenth day of the month 'Palms-day'!

The Crucifixion was on the Fifth Day of the week;

the Burial was on the Sixth Day of the week;

and the Resurrection was "on the day The Seventh Day God THUS CONCERNING ... in [ALL] times past by the prophets spake."

If you belive me to be speculating, see jewish law not found in Christian literature concerning the purchase of a lamb in a year where the tenth day falls on a seventh day Sabbath. Just because this historical testimony is missing from your bibles does not mean it does not exist.

If you belive me to be lying about when the lamb was chosen by the people you simply have to look to the Ancient historical record in concert with the prophecies Jesus claimed to fulfil to know the truth! The law Jesus claimed to fulfill concerning the Passover lamb will be a light to the Christian confusion concerning when the lamb was chosen by the people. The triumphal entry occured the very next day time period from the anointing in Bethany (Same day jewish reconning of time). There are currently 5 differing ancient christian recordings presenting 4 differing perceptions for when the annointing in Bethany took place before the Crucifixion. Which of the below 5 ancient recordings presents the truth for this single one time event prior to the Crucifixion? This below page represents a Friday Crucifixion in comparison to the various Christian perceptions and the Law jesus claimed to fulfil.

This Next page lists the same 5 testimonies for the anointing in Bethany placement to determine when the Triumphal entry occured. This below time line represents a Wednesday Crucifixion. Can it be determined from the ancient record that the Lamb was chosen by the people on the tenth day? YES

I could share the same 5 testimonies on a time line for 31 AD but the issue with 31 AD is that the Passover occured on a Monday according to the scripture of time and the laws Jesus claimed to fulfill. So you will have to defult to the 3 April 33 AD time line illustration for a Friday Crucifixion presentation. Though the second century bishop claims the evening of Ten Nissan to be the second day of the week is due to his confusion that Jesus was Crucified on a friday instead of a Wednesday Preparation day. The Second century Bishop does illustrate correctly that Jesus was taken Captive on a Tuesday Evening but then drags out the time line of events in an effort to portray Jesus being Crucified on a Friday.

I fully recommend Christians reading the Didascalia Apostolorum, it will highlight the confusion of the Christian forefathers and the corruption in writings that has been passed down to the Christians of today and how they made the transition further from the truth as Christian history unfolded. To see the only Ancient Christian reference known to exist to date that indirectly illustrates Jesus fulfilling the 4 day time specific prophecy of the Lamb as well as 3 days and 3 nights, feel free to click the below hyperlink and follow the day transitions in comparison to the two time lines shared

Week prior to death time line as seen in G-12 text

Blessings!

[jasd]

>>The lamb did not have to be purchased Monitarily on Ten Nissan, only chosen by the people on ten nissan. The money could exchange hands lawfully at any time before or after the Sabbath.<<

Oy! shades of Campmeeting. Okay, point taken; however, how does one address the matter of the labor involved - for instance: the selection and exchange of the sacrifice and the carrying of its burden home...

[todd_vetter33]

>>The lamb did not have to be purchased Monitarily on Ten Nissan, only chosen by the people on ten nissan. The money could exchange hands lawfully at any time before or after the Sabbath.<<

Oy! shades of Campmeeting. Okay, point taken; however, how does one address the matter of the labor involved - for instance: the selection and exchange of the sacrifice and the carrying of its burden home...

would you purchase a lame lamb that could not walk? Is making a choice labor to you? Hmmm I'll pick that one... OMW that was so much labor. I think i just broke the 4th commandment. Is picking a lamb from a selection any more laborous than you taking yourself to Church on the sabbath?

[todd_vetter33]

Samie has been exposed!

... betrayed by his own 'BETTER SELF' ...

TODD VETTER 33.

I guess Todd Vetter can be two people one in the same just as "in three days" is the same as "after three days" according to the confused members of this thread?

I can assure you I am not a Samie and I can assure you that "After three days" is not the same is "in three days". One is an accurate recording of scripture and one is not. Truth in scripture does not waiver for truth is solid! It's only according to Christians who have never known scripture who make the claim that Scripture can waiver and change even though it's recorded in their doctrine that it does not change.

Truth according to the members of this thread is clearly anything they want truth to be instead of the truth.

Since we have recently re-capped the truth of 30 AD and 3 days and 3 nights in fulfillment in comparison to the lies shared by members of this thread. Lets review the factual Problems that expose the liars as such.

Those claiming that the start point for "in the heart of the earth" began on a thursday night or Friday factually fall short of illustrating the truth of Jesus fulfilling prophecy

Those who claim friday will pick and choose between the 4 half truths listed below to support their claim while ignoring the testimony that they cannot explain "How did the women prepare spices before the Sabbath if the spices they prepared where not purchased until after the Sabbath had passed."

Christians Falsely claiming Jesus died on a Friday have no method of truth to explain why the bible mixes up the factual placement of events that preceeded the Crucifixion yet claim the Bible gospels give clear truth that supports their Friday Crucifixion claim. Cristians will either claim the lies that the bible portrays for the incorrect placement of events is truth from God or simply not Error at all. Clearly the bible is not speaking according to the Law and Testimony (Spirit of Prophecy) and it's for this reason Christians do not speak according to the law and testimony as well. What do Christians build their foundation on?

Time specific Prophecy Alignments do not line up when the truth is not displayed truthfully as seen in this next illustration.

The seventh year of king Atezerxes rein was 458 BC Not 457 BC.

And the number one reason 31 AD could not be the Year of Crucifxion is the FACT Validated by the scripture of time which no man can manipulate,that the passover of 31 AD occured on a Monday in 31 AD. Though the manner in which man measures time can vary depending on the method of measure used, the scripture of time remains consistent and does not lie.

The calendars can be validated by the Virtual Telescope found at this link. You can set it for Jerusalem and go back any number of years to check any year in question by Theologens concerning the Crucifxion event to validate truth.

virtual Telescope

What I am sharing with you is facts with out speculations. Feel free to do the math. Math is a language that will not lie to you. If a person attempts to tell you jesus fulfilled 3 days and 3 nights and they cannot actually illustrate 3 days and 3 nights in fulfilment with out inclusive reconning. They are not telling the story according to the scripture!

[todd_vetter33]

Lets share the truth one last time before the clanging gongs and noisy cymbles begin clanging once again.

Fact One: The origianal passover Lamb was slain on a Wednesday! See next three Illustrations.

FACT TWO: The Decree of King Atezerxes Factually went forth in the seventh year of the kings Rein in 458 BC.

FACT 3: In 30 AD, A passovered Occured on a Wednesday Preparation day in accordence with the scripture of time and laws of Moses that Jesus claimed to fulfil. This in turn allowed Jesus to be in the Heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights where he Rose AFTER the third day in accordence with the Scriptures.

FACT 4: Between the Prophecy alignments of the last illustration and the next illustration, over 12 time specific prophecies come into perfect alignment to bare witness to truth just as truth will always align with truth to bare witness to truth. If you attempt to pick any other day or year for the Crucifixion event, truth does not line up with prophecy and speculations must be used to defend the perception believed to be truth, but is in reality a lie being sold to many in the Christian world

FACT 5: There is a great deal of ancient evidence one could present to show that 3 days and 3 nights was in fact fulfilled, even though Current Christian doctrine and Christian traditions were designed by Christians to make God look like a liar!

Fact 6: The 4 bible gospel testimonies covering the death and resurrection topic are 4 partial truths that have left Christians speculating lies for centuries. No Christian has ever in Christian history been able to combine all 4 testimonies accurately to present Jesus fulfilling 3 days and 3 nights in accordence with the scriptures (Words Jesus spoke and claimed to fulfil).

FACT 7: With Christian doctrine continuing to present Mixed testimony concerning the life of Jesus (See below fact example), The only way the christians will actually have the testimony of Jesus is if they realize to what extent the bible causes them to stumble in the law that Jesus taught that they should fulfil. The testimony of Jesus (truth via the spirit of truth) will only go to those who keep the commandments of God

FACT 8: The next two recordings of Scripture where spoken many centuries ago with the specific purpose of letting the Christians of our day know it's time to come to God via fulfilment of the law and that God is not a book that causes them to break the law!

[Lysimachus]

More repetitive, tautological noise--especially when one can do nothing more but repeat the same charts that have been viewed a thousand times already. The juvenility is glaring when arguments are not actually addressed, but one must expect and hope that the charts somehow address constructive criticism.

[12tribes]

More repetitive, tautological noise--especially when one can do nothing more but repeat the same charts that have been viewed a thousand times already. The juvenility is glaring when arguments are not actually addressed, but one must expect and hope that the charts somehow address constructive criticism.

I agree with you. What he is saying with all these charts is that EGW is not a prophet, 1844 does not exist, & the SDA church is based on lies.

[todd_vetter33]

SamieTodd heavily depends on what he claims are different things in Matthew 16:21 and Mark 8:31 where Matthew has, "be raised the third day", and Mark has, “after three days rise again.

SamieTodd like many Wednesday crucifixionists claim Matthew means "Jesus to be in the Heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights where he Rose AFTER the third day in accordence with the Scriptures", presuming "in the heart of the earth" means, ‘in the earth in the grave’.

Because he has no clue of the Ablative, SamieTodd decides “only one of the recordings gets to be a true written reflection of What Jesus spoke (prophecy) concerning his Crucifixion to resurrection”, and summarily dismisses the other is not “true Scripture if God’s word is solid and never changes”.

Now for Gerhard’s Greek which he will conveniently and proudly borrow from A.T. Robertson with no apologies even attached,

>> A.T. Robertson on Mark 8v31

Robertson's Word Pictures (NT)

He began to teach them (hrcato didaskein autouv). Mark is fond of this idiom, but it is not a mere rhetorical device. Matthew 16:21 expressly says "from that time." They had to be told soon about the approaching death of Jesus. The confession of faith in Jesus indicated that it was a good time to begin. Death at the hands of the Sanhedrin (elders, chief priests, and scribes) in which Pharisees and Sadducees had about equal strength. The resurrection on the third day is mentioned, but it made no impression on their minds. This rainbow on the cloud was not seen.

After three days (meta treiv hmerav). Matthew 16:21 has "the third day" (th trith hmerai) in the locative case of point of time (so also Luke 9:22). There are some people who stickle for a strict interpretation of "after three days" which would be "on the fourth day," not "on the third day." Evidently Mark's phrase here has the same sense as that in Matthew and Luke else they are hopelessly contradictory. In popular language "after three days" can and often does mean "on the third day," but the fourth day is impossible.

Matthew 12:40

The whale (tou khtouv). Sea-monster, huge fish. In Jonah 2:1 the LXX has khtei megalw. "Three days and three nights" may simply mean three days in popular speech. Jesus rose "on the third day" (Matthew 16:21), not "on the fourth day." It is just a fuller form for "after three days" (Mark 8:31; Mark 10:34).

Matthew 27:63

Sir, we remember(kurie, emnesqhmen). This was the next day, on our Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath, the day after the Preparation (Matthew 27:62). Ingressive aorist indicative, we have just recalled. It is objected that the Jewish rulers would know nothing of such a prediction, but in Matthew 12:40 he expressly made it to them. Meyer scouts as unhistorical legend the whole story that Christ definitely foretold his resurrection on the third day. But that is to make legendary much of the Gospels and to limit Jesus to a mere man. The problem remains why the disciples forgot and the Jewish leaders remembered. But that is probably due on the one hand to the overwhelming grief of the disciples coupled with the blighting of all their hopes of a political Messiah in Jesus, and on the other hand to the keen nervous fear of the leaders who dreaded the power of Jesus though dead. They wanted to make sure of their victory and prevent any possible revival of this pernicious heresy.

Mark 16:9

When he had risen early on the first day of the week (anastav prw prwth sabbatou). It is probable that this note of time goes with "risen" (anastav), though it makes good sense with "appeared" (efanh). Jesus is not mentioned by name here, though he is clearly the one meant. Mark uses miain verse Mark 16:2, but prwth in Mark 14:12 and the plural sabbatwn in verse Mark 16:2, though the singular here.

First (prwton). Definite statement that Jesus

Appeared (efanh) to Mary Magdalene first of all. The verb efanh (second aorist passive offainw) is here alone of the Risen Christ (cf. Eleiav efanh, Luke 9:8), the usual verb being wfqh (Luke 24:34; I Corinthians 15:5 ff.).

From whom (par hv). Only instance of para with the casting out of demons, ek being usual (Mark 1:25-26; Mark 5:8; Mark 7:26, Mark 7:29; Mark 9:25). Ek beblhkei is past perfect indicative without augment. This description of Mary Magdalene is like that in Luke 8:2 and seems strange in Mark at this point, described as a new character here, though mentioned by Mark three times just before (Mark 15:40, Mark 15:47; Mark 16:1). The appearance to Mary Magdalene is given in full by John 20:11-18.<<

What I claim is that Jesus fulfilled Scripture and I illustrate this factually where Christian doctirne and tradition illustrates Jesus did not fulfill scripture. That is the Summary of my claim and it is fact.

[todd_vetter33]

Originally Posted By: Lysimachus

More repetitive, tautological noise--especially when one can do nothing more but repeat the same charts that have been viewed a thousand times already. The juvenility is glaring when arguments are not actually addressed, but one must expect and hope that the charts somehow address constructive criticism.

I agree with you. What he is saying with all these charts is that EGW is not a prophet, 1844 does not exist, & the SDA church is based on lies.

You would be correct. If Ellen White claimed Jesus crucified on a Friday in concert with Christian doctrine and Christian Tradition, Then she like all of Christianity is a false Prophet.

Truth will never contradict truth and what I have shared with you in the many illustrated charts is truth concerning the Error of Crhstians doctrine as well as truth concerning Jesus fulfilling 3 days and 3 nights where Chrsitian tradtions and Christian doctrine have fallen short for all of her history as Christians.

There is a Reason the Christians are called Christians and not the Way that Jesus started. The doctrine of Jesus is spirit and truth. Those who are in spirit and in truth have the same doctrine and recieve it in the same manner as Jesus. Christians receive a book and make it their word of God instead of fulfilling the law as Jesus taught to receive word of God From God via the spirit of Promise.

Lysimacious claims the Visual charts shared are a waste of time. Yet cannot point out one single Error presented. He simply claims them to be a waste of time.

The facts I shared in my last chart filled posts are facts which expose the lie of current Christian traditions and doctrine as well as the Christian forefathers who passed their confusion to their children who realize not their confusions which they believe is truth.

Truth in the Christian world is not solid. It's lies believed to be truth according to Christian perception and it chages depending on the Christian you speak too. This forum bares witness to this truth! One day Christians will search for truth from God and find a solid foundation in the law to achieve communication with God. Till then they have a book.

Blessings!

[12tribes]

You would be correct. If Ellen White claimed Jesus crucified on a Friday in concert with Christian doctrine and Christian Tradition, Then she like all of Christianity is a false Prophet.

Truth will never contradict truth and what I have shared with you in the many illustrated charts is truth concerning the Error of Crhstians doctrine as well as truth concerning Jesus fulfilling 3 days and 3 nights where Chrsitian tradtions and Christian doctrine have fallen short for all of her history as Christians.

There is a Reason the Christians are called Christians and not the Way that Jesus started. The doctrine of Jesus is spirit and truth. Those who are in spirit and in truth have the same doctrine and recieve it in the same manner as Jesus. Christians receive a book and make it their word of God instead of fulfilling the law as Jesus taught to receive word of God From God via the spirit of Promise.

Lysimacious claims the Visual charts shared are a waste of time. Yet cannot point out one single Error presented. He simply claims them to be a waste of time.

The facts I shared in my last chart filled posts are facts which expose the lie of current Christian traditions and doctrine as well as the Christian forefathers who passed their confusion to their children who realize not their confusions which they believe is truth.

Truth in the Christian world is not solid. It's lies believed to be truth according to Christian perception and it chages depending on the Christian you speak too. This forum bares witness to this truth! One day Christians will search for truth from God and find a solid foundation in the law to achieve communication with God. Till then they have a book.

Blessings!

So that is your real agenda to make out EGW to be a false prophet, to make out that the SDA church is based on lies according to your chart that also according to your chart 1844 has no meaning.

1844 was the correct date only the event was wrong. The disappointment of 1844 is mentioned in Revelation 10. The attention of the world at the time was on that, there were disappointed but some studied and seen the truth about 1844. Your charts mean nothing, they are based on opinions.

[jasd]

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Quote:todd_vetter33

The lamb did not have to be purchased Monitarily on Ten Nissan, only chosen by the people on ten nissan. The money could exchange hands lawfully at any time before or after the Sabbath.

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Oy! shades of Campmeeting. Okay, point taken; however, how does one address the matter of the labor involved - for instance: the selection and exchange of the sacrifice and the carrying of its burden home...

>>would you purchase a lame lamb that could not walk? Is making a choice labor to you? Hmmm I'll pick that one... OMW that was so much labor. I think i just broke the 4th commandment. Is picking a lamb from a selection any more laborous than you taking yourself to Church on the sabbath?<<

Good point; however, that is assuming that the lamb or kid of choice had not been terrified by the confusion experienced and fearful – trained to ‘heel’ as a pet. Otherwise, can you imagine tying a cord to it and simply walking home with it – without fighting its continuing attempts to bolt?—and would you simply drag it or prod it – the result is the same; that is, your exertion would be labor – by definition. Besides,

the question would not revolve around “so much labor”, but labor – period.

(Jesus Christ’s position that it was lawful to do 'good' upon the Sabbath was a later exposition upon the law)

The entire exchange of coin for chit and chit for goods - and the necessity of entering into a teeming market on a Sabbath cannot be elided. It is by definition – commerce.

The problem cannot be so easily swept aside by comparing it to the mores of today’s culture. The culture of the former COI and later, the Jews, was much stricter.

Don’t take me wrong, as I am also a Wednesday crucifixionist (thinking the Friday evening to Sunday morning entombment hypothesis – holy baloney) – and like to see how others parse the problem of the 10th of Nisan.

Re the charts: good work.

[Gustave]

The reality of the situation is that if Ellen White was correct in claiming Jesus died in 31 A.D....

...Then our Gregorian Saturday is NOT "the Bible Sabbath".

...That's one that SDA's can take to the bank.

Very difficult video for SDA's and Todd Vetter

Some hard facts for SDA's

Biblical Criteria for Todd Vetter for the date of the Cross according to Ellen White

Another tough video for Todd Vetter

[todd_vetter33]

... no good ...

... as no good as ANY WCtheory.

I'd like to see you, "parse the problem of the 10th of Nisan"

The 10th of Nisan has been no problem ever.

I mean, for the truth of the Gospels. Not for any FCtheory.

Here is how I 'parse' the Scriptures with regard to the 10th of Nisan ...

http://www.biblestudents.co.za/docs/html/Six%20days%20before%20Passover.htm

PALM SUNDAY TO PASSOVER

NISAN

8 TEXT

* DAY BEFORE PASSOVER PLACE EVENT

9 Jn.12:1 SIXTH = Saturday Bethany

‘where Lazarus stayed’ Meal

Mary anoints Jesus’ feet

10 Lk.19:29-44 Mk.11:1 Jn.12:12 Mk.11:11 FIFTH = Palm Sunday

‘the next morning’ ‘late hour’ Village Into Jerusalem,

in temple To Bethany Colt, palm branches

‘looked around’

11 Mt.21:18 Mk.11:12 Mk.11:15 Lk.19:45-48 Mk.11:19 FOURTH = Monday ‘early’

‘next morning’

‘when it got late’ From Bethany

‘came to Jerusalem’

‘out of city’ Fig tree cursed

Cast out money changers

12 Mk.11:20 21,27 Mt.22:23 Lk.20:1-8 Mk.13:1, 3

Mt.26:2 THIRD = Tuesday ‘early’

‘on the same day’

after two days crucified ‘returning’ (from Bethany)

‘to Jerusalem again’

‘out of temple’

Mount of Olives

Lk.21:37 Fig tree withered

Temple building

Jesus preaches Kingdom of heaven

13 Lk.21:38

Mt.26:3

Mk.14:1-3 SECOND = Wednesday

‘After two days Passover/Feast’ ‘being in Bethany’

‘Simon’s house’ CONSPIRACY Meal

Woman anoints Jesus’ head

14 Jn.13:1,29

Mk.14:17

Mt.26:21 FIRST = THURSDAY ‘BEFORE the FEAST’ / ‘TOWARD the FEAST’

“When the even was come”

Mk.14:2

Mt.26:5

Mt.26:17

Mk.14:12 ‘NOT on the Feast Day’

‘on the first day of de-leaven

‘on the first day of de-leaven

when they always sacrificed the Passover’

Lk.22:7 ‘came the day of de-leaven

whereon passover must be SLAUGHTERED’

Lk.22:14 ‘when the hour was come’ LAST SUPPER

Jn.13:30 ‘It was night’

Mk.15:1 ‘early morning’ .

Lk.22:66 ‘Came their day’ TRIBUNAL

Jn.19:14 ‘Preparation of Passover’

‘THE SIXTH HOUR’(6AM.) DELIVERED

Mk.15:25 ‘THE THIRD HOUR’ CRUCIFIED

Mt.27:45 ‘the sixth hour’ darkness

46, 50 ‘the ninth hour’

EARTHQUAKE

RETURNED BREAST BEATING DIED

15 Mk.15:42 Mt.27:57 ‘IT WAS EVENING’

Jn.18:28

Jn.19:31 Mk.15:42 FEAST

‘might eat the Passover'

‘Because it was preparation

‘being the Fore-Sabbath’ the Jews asked Pilate

After these things

Joseph asked Pilate

Mk.15:45

Lk.23:53

Jn.19:38c

Jn.19:40a

42 Pilate “granted” Joseph Jesus’ body

‘He took the body down’

‘He therefore took the body of Jesus away’

‘Then they prepared the body of Jesus’

‘There laid they Jesus’

Not even a full 8 lines into your speculation past your link and already you have a major issue! Two gospel writers (Matt & Mark) place the Annointing in Bethany differently than you when basing your opinion on the book of John concerning the Annointing in Bethany. You now have to explain why two gospel writers are less correct than you in correctly placing the Anointing in bethany event! With out giving credible word of God for this (truth), You can offer no gauruntee that every word which follows your opinion based on John is truth since two gospel writers say you are lying.

Since there are 4 differing perceptions from 5 ancient historical records for the placement of the anointing in Bethany event, Please Use Word of God (truth From God) to explain why your perception which you believe to be truth is more correct than the Christians who preceeded you! The third century Bishop at least places a Triumphal entry on Ten Nissan in concert with the Prophecy of the lamb being chosen by the people on the tenth day, even though he is lying about Jesus Crucified on a Friday. What is more interesting is Why does the 3rd Century Bishop Claim based on the Book of Matthew as it appeared in his day that Jesus was taken captive on the 3rd Day of the week? Please provide word of God (Truth from God) for these issues since you claim to have it.

Right now your credibility as a man who allegedly presents truth via word of God is in serious question since a Book you claim is word of God disagrees with you concerning the placement of the anointning in Bethany prior to the Crucifixion. Are you built on the Word of God Or Roman doctrine and troman tradtion?

[Lysimachus]

The reality of the situation is that if Ellen White was correct in claiming Jesus died in 31 A.D....

...Then our Gregorian Saturday is NOT "the Bible Sabbath".

...That's one that SDA's can take to the bank.

Very difficult video for SDA's and Todd Vetter

Some hard facts for SDA's

Biblical Criteria for Todd Vetter for the date of the Cross according to Ellen White

Another tough video for Todd Vetter

Every single one of these videos have been thoroughly demolished at:

http://www.WorldsLastChance.org

And, the following playlist:

World's Last Chance Exposed:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3FBC99205D3F7F2E

Gustave has some hard things to learn.

True Adventism will continue to give good whippins to naughty children who do not come into line, yet try to pretend to somehow be "partly Adventist".

Anyone is free to disagree all they want, but if people are going to claim to be Adventist, they need to be Adventist and quit trying to pretend to have a superior revelation over everyone else.

[todd_vetter33]

Every single one of these videos have been thoroughly demolished at:

http://www.WorldsLastChance.org

And, the following playlist:

World's Last Chance Exposed:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3FBC99205D3F7F2E

Gustave has some hard things to learn.

True Adventism will continue to give good whippins to naughty children who do not come into line, yet try to pretend to somehow be "partly Adventist".

Anyone is free to disagree all they want, but if people are going to claim to be Adventist, they need to be Adventist and quit trying to pretend to have a superior revelation over everyone else.

I am Well aware of the Luni Solar Speculations spread by WLC. They are a perfect example of Christian men building a lie based on a lie to defend a lie which is very consistent with Christian tradition and why the world is denominationally divided. The doctrine for the denominationally divided Christian world is a perfect example of how Christians are inspired by the bible to lie based on ancient writings instead of simply seeking to fulfil the law to have the testimony of Jesus (Real truth)

At no time in my explinations of how Jesus fulfilled 3 days and 3 nights, do I need to claim the Seventh Day Sabbath to be anytihng other than the Seventh day Sabbath. Nor do I have to illustrate Jesus falling short of Prophecy fulfilment in perfect harmony with the prophecies conerning time. WLC however believeing In a Friday Crucifixion have devised a whole knew flawwed calendar theory to place Jesus dying on a sixth day of a week instead of the Midst of the week when Messiah would be cut off according to Prophecy.

So I guess i'm still waiting for that Whipping you speak of. You could claim to be any denomination of Christianity and you are not better off than any other Christian concerning salvation as we are all either Wheat or Tares in the same field. If the Truth is not IN us, then the Wheat is not the end result.

I share charts of illustration to list facts visually for those who are easily convinced that a lie is truth which is the case for much of the Christian world. By Sharing the lie of Christian tradtion on the same page in comparison to the truth, it allows the truth to expose the lie for what it is. If men choose to ingore the simple illustrations. To each their own. We all have a choice and thus is the importance of the law to help define the correct choices.

Christians are trapped in the darkness of Half truth, never finding the full truth that they would have if they fulfilled the Law of God. A fact based example of this is found at this link where the bible lists several half truths for a single moment of the life of Jesus. It's stated in the bible that the Holy spirit can bring to rememberance ALL things Jesus said. It's a Chrstian speculation that the bible was inpired by the spirit of God.

Which ancient testimony found at this next link is factually illustrating ALL things Jesus said for the moment of history being displayed by the ancient recordings?

Pilates Question "What is Truth"

My last Question no Christian can answer in truth unless they have word of God via the spirit of truth to do so. They all have a bible, But can they answer with word of God?

If a Christian claims a half truth or Lie is truth from God and word of God, Are they speaking a truth? The Law will help you with truth concerning this!

Blessings.