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John 5:39-40 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

That last sentence of the scripture quoted tied with this below seems to put us on the same page if both apply.

 

22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'...Matt 7  Emphasis theirs' LHC

 

29.Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me....Matt 11

 

All doctrines are,  are teachings. How does one learn or prepare for what is important if doctrines are not needed as God's provisions for us to learn?

 

God is Love!  Jesus saves!  :smiley:

Lift Jesus up!!

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It would appear so, Ted, but I would venture to say I believe, as per Scriptures, Jesus did not come out of the tomb on the first day of the week, Sunday.

 

There is only one verse in the whole New Testament that tells us when Jesus resurrected. All the other resurrection-related verses merely tell us that when some of His disciples went to the sepulcher, they saw an already empty tomb. He has risen! But when?

 

This one verse tells us specifically when: "prwi> prw,th| sabba,tou" = early morning of the chief Sabbath, Saturday.

 

prwi =  early morning

prw,th = chief

sabba,tou = Sabbath

 

Sadly, in order to perhaps give a semblance of Scriptual authority to Sundaykeeping, the Greek phrase "prwi> prw,th| sabba,tou" which literally is "early morning of the chief Sabbath, was instead translated into "early first day of the week" by translators who were themselves Sundaykeepers. The Greek for "week" is "hebdomas".

 

Mark 16:9 VAnasta.j de. prwi> prw,th| sabba,tou evfa,nh prw/ton Mari,a| th/| Magdalhnh/|( avfV h-j evkbeblh,kei e`pta. daimo,niaÅ

 

While not a Greek scholar, I do know enough about the language to know that "eis mian sabbatone" is accurately translated "toward the first of the seven days", which is the Hebrew thought of the weekly cycle: the first day of the weekly seven. The Hebrew mind saw the Sabbath as the culminating seventh of the sabbatone, the chief day of the seven days, because on it God rested from His works, and called them very good. 

 

This is not the only time Hebrew thought makes jumps like this...throughout the Old Testament, the Hebrew makes no difference between "sin" and "sin offering" - they are one and the same word.

 

Sundaykeepers are accurate about the when Jesus rose from the dead. We have no quarrel with that. They are not accurate on where they get the authority to transfer the sanctity of the Sabbath to that same day to honor that resurrection. That is the separation between the Sabbathkeeper and the Sundaykeeper today. Not on whether Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday, but on the point of where they have Divine authority to transfer the day of rest to any day other than Sabbath. As Daniel says, they "think to change times and laws"...but they have no authority of God to do this.

 

I do not think God is so careless with His Word, in the centuries after the Cross, He would allow it to be so mistranslated that it cannot be accurate. Not when we have definitive proof He scrupulously kept it accurate in the centuries BEFORE the Cross - as the Dead Sea Scrolls 

 

We will have to agree to disagree here, Samie.

 

Blessings,

"As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17

"The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings

"Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne

"The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan

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All the feast days have meaning in relation to Jesus and His work on behalf of man.

 

Jesus was sacrificed on Passover, buried on Feast of Unleavened bread and rose on "First Fruits or the day of the  Wave Sheath.  Jesus was the "first fruit"  of the resurrected - excepting Moses who was a type.

 

So if we know the day when the Priest waves the sheath (first fruits) we will know on what day Jesus arose from the grave.

 

As Ted said, the Bible account is plain enough but here is some further confirmation.

 

DETERMINING THE DAY OF THE WAVE SHEAF

Leviticus 23:11 reads, And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

Leviticus 23:15 reads, "And from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, you shall count for yourselves: seven completed Sabbaths."

Leviticus 23:16 reads, "until the day AFTER THE SEVENTH SABBATH, count fifty days."

So we know from scripture that the wave sheath must be offered the day after the Sabbath.

First Fruits occurs the day after the 7th day Sabbath and Jesus , rising on First Fruits, must have risen on Sunday. Pentecost occurring 50 days after that 7th day Sabbath must  also always occur on a Sunday.

 

Interesting note:

The Jubilee year is the year following 7 Sabbath years and each Sabbath year is every 7 years. So the Jubilee years iare every 50 years. Each Sabbath year is a Sabbath for the land to rest, and each jubilee year is a Sabbath year for the land to rest. So the 49th and 50th years are consecutive Sabbath years.

 

Pentecost is like a Jubilee in days. Since Pentecost always occurs  a day after a 7th day Sabbath and Pentecost is also a Sabbath day, you have 2 consecutive Sabbath days, thereby mimicking the 49th and 50th year Sabbaths.

 

The first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread was a Sabbath. They were to count seven Sabbaths after that Sabbath. The wave offering was done after the resurrection because it was to be presented before the Lord. Jesus rose on the third day which would have been Sabbath morning. This is when He would have to present Himself to the Father. This did not happen right after His resurrection but sometime after.

 

John 20:17  “Don’t touch me,” he cautioned, “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father. But go find my brothers and tell them that I ascend to my Father and your Father, my God and your God.”

Sometimes our behavior needs time to catch up to our salvation... ::puppykisses::

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Mark 16:9 is clear, I guess: "VAnasta.j de. prwi> prw,th| sabba,tou " = " he arose early morning of the chief Sabbath "

 

No other verse explicitly says when the Lord rose from the tomb, but this verse.

 

The Greeks derived their "sabba,ton" from the Hebrew tB'v; (shabbath) and NOT from [;buv' (shabua), Hebrew for "week". The Septuagint attests to the veracity of this fact. In the whole Greek Old Testament, all occurrences of the genitive "sabba,tou" was from tB'v; and not from [;buv'.

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Mark 16:9 is clear, I guess: "VAnasta.j de. prwi> prw,th| sabba,tou " = " he arose early morning of the chief Sabbath "

 

No other verse explicitly says when the Lord rose from the tomb, but this verse.

 

The Greeks derived their "sabba,ton" from the Hebrew tB'v; (shabbath) and NOT from [;buv' (shabua), Hebrew for "week". The Septuagint attests to the veracity of this fact. In the whole Greek Old Testament, all occurrences of the genitive "sabba,tou" was from tB'v; and not from [;buv'.

 

Chief can also mean first. Jesus rose on the first Sabbath meaning in the line of the seven Sabbaths that were being counted.

Sometimes our behavior needs time to catch up to our salvation... ::puppykisses::

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No Scuba, the Sabbath spoken of is the 7th Day Sabbath not the feast day Sabbath.

 

God assigned specific dates to all the feast days except First Fruits and Pentecost.

 

Passover is on the 14 day of the first month, Nisan - Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth [day] of the first month at even [is] the LORD's Passover.

Feast of Unleavened bread is on the 15th day of the first month, Nisan- Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month [is] the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

Feast of Trumpets in on the 1st day of the 7th month- Lev 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first [day] of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation

Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) is on the 10th day of the 7th month- Lev 23:27 Also on the tenth [day] of this seventh month [there shall be] a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

Sukkot or The Feast of Tabernacles is on the 15th day of the 7th month- Lev 23:34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month [shall be] the feast of tabernacles [for] seven days unto the LORD.

 

According to your view First Fruits should always occur on the 16th of Nisan and Pentecost on the 6th of Sivan, but why did not the Lord so assign those specific dates as He did with the other feast dates? Because they fall on days directly following the Seventh day Sabbath and the 7th day Sabbath during the 7 days of Passover falls on a different day every year, making the dates for First Fruits and Pentecost having different dates every year and always falling on Sunday, the day after the 7th day Sabbath

 

For First Fruits,Leviticus 23:15 reads, "And from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, you shall count for yourselves: seven completed Sabbaths."

For Pentecost,Leviticus 23:16 reads, "until the day AFTER THE SEVENTH SABBATH, count fifty days."

 

Both the New Testament accounts and God's feast day calendar in Leviticus show that Christ rose on a Sunday..

When did Mary buy the spices, before the Sabbath or after the Sabbath?

Sometimes our behavior needs time to catch up to our salvation... ::puppykisses::

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It doesn't matter when Mary bought the spices. She could have bought them before the Sabbath as Luke 23:56 says or after the Sabbath; that being the night after the Sabbath and preceding Sunday  , as Mark 16:1 implies.

 

Here are the relevant NT passages that show they came to the empty tomb on the first day of the week:

 

Matt  28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

 

Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the [mother] of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 

16:2 And very early in the morning the first [day] of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. 

 

Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment. 

24:1 Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them.

 

John  20:1 The first [day] of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

 

From  the OT passages in Leviticus , we know that First Fruits always occurs on a Sunday.(See earlier post)

 

We also know that Jesus represents the First Fruit :

1Cor 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.

15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming 

 

There is nothing in any of these verses even hinting that Jesus arose  on any other day but Sunday, the first day of the week and the day of the Feast of First Fruits.

If you really want to know the truth watch this.The Changing of God's Times and Law: http://youtu.be/6nwVHEk_wwM

Sometimes our behavior needs time to catch up to our salvation... ::puppykisses::

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There is a study at my website site titled "Three Days and Three Nights". 

 

I was very open to the idea that Jesus died on a Thursday or Wednesday.  I REALLY tried to find a proof of that.  But I couldn't. 

 

When I put the Feast days into the formula, the Triumphant Entry wouldn't come out right.  There is NO WAY Jesus would have come riding into Jerusalem on a Sabbath.  And he would NOT have climbed 12 miles uphill from Jericho on a Sabbath either.  That is why He stayed at Zacc's house. 

 

Regarding the Trinity doctrine: 

Most everyone here knows that I believe the Father is God, and existed FIRST. 

He beget a Son - in His exact likeness. 

That Son later joined humanity - taking human form and nature.

I do NOT believe in a THIRD divine being called "The Holy Spirit". 

 

There are several studies at my website on THAT topic. 

 

Neither of these two doctrines is a salvation issue - although praying to, singing to, etc. the "Holy Spirit" - (something NOT commanded or demonstrated in Scripture) might come close to idolatry (worship of another as God).

 

I remember - the hymn that ended "praise Father, Son and Holy Ghost.  Amen". 

That hymn is NOT Biblical. 

 

Blessings,

Rachel Cory

Prophecy Viewpoint

8thdaypriest

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As a Catholic, we used to sing a hymn called "Come Holy Ghost".  Of course, we also sang a hymn called "Hail Holy Queen Enthroned Above". I don't think I would sing either one, now.

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I think Jesus Himself gave us the strongest possible argument for the Trinity in John 16:7-13.  In those verses He talks about the work of the Holy Ghost and says He will not speak of Himself.  Therefore, we know He cannot be the Father or the Son.  That leaves only one conclusion, that there is a third member of the Godhead.

Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.
Alexis de Tocqueville
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It doesn't matter when Mary bought the spices. She could have bought them before the Sabbath as Luke 23:56 says or after the Sabbath; that being the night after the Sabbath and preceding Sunday  , as Mark 16:1 implies.

 

Here are the relevant NT passages that show they came to the empty tomb on the first day of the week:

 

Matt  28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

 

Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the [mother] of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 

16:2 And very early in the morning the first [day] of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. 

 

Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment. 

24:1 Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them.

 

John  20:1 The first [day] of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

 

From  the OT passages in Leviticus , we know that First Fruits always occurs on a Sunday.(See earlier post)

 

We also know that Jesus represents the First Fruit :

1Cor 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.

15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming 

 

There is nothing in any of these verses even hinting that Jesus arose  on any other day but Sunday, the first day of the week and the day of the Feast of First Fruits.

 

That Jesus rose on Sunday finds no basis from Greek Scriptures whence our English Bibles were derived. All "first day of the week" texts from the NT are from Greek phrases using "sabba,twn" which is sabbath not week.

 

Matt 28:1 - mi,an sabba,twn

Mark 16:2 - mia/| tw/n sabba,twn

Mark 16:9 - prw,th| sabba,tou

Luke 24:1 - mia/| tw/n sabba,twn

John 20:1 - mia/| tw/n sabba,twn

John 20:19 - mia/| sabba,twn

Acts 20:7 - mia/| tw/n sabba,twn

1 Cor 16:2 - mi,an sabba,tou

 

Any document in circulation circa NT times showing that "sabba,twn" ever referred to "week" instead of referring to "sabbath"?

 

There's one such document, a well-known one, but that document shows that "sabba,twn" always referred to "sabbath" instead of referring to "week".

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I think Jesus Himself gave us the strongest possible argument for the Trinity in John 16:7-13.  In those verses He talks about the work of the Holy Ghost and says He will not speak of Himself.  Therefore, we know He cannot be the Father or the Son.  That leaves only one conclusion, that there is a third member of the Godhead.

Jesus did not "speak of Himself" (by His own authority).  He told the disciples exactly THAT on more than on occasion.  I think it suggests the Spirit IS the Son of God - now glorified and omnipresent. 

 

"The last Adam became a life giving SPIRIT" (I Cor. 15:45 NKJV). 

 

The same verse can say something different to different people.  That's why we cannot base a doctrine on just a few "proof texts".

8thdaypriest

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According to  Leviticus 7:16-18, any portion of a sacrifice, that remained on the "third day" was to be regarded as "unclean".  It was NOT to be eaten.   

 

“But if the sacrifice of his offering be a vow, or a voluntary offering, it shall be eaten the same day that he offereth his sacrifice: and on the morrow also the remainder of it shall be eaten: But the remainder of the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be burnt with fire.  And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity.” KJV (See Lev. 19:5-7.)

 

Jesus body (the sacrifice) could NOT have remained in death, after two days, because it would have seen "corruption" - something that God said would NOT happen to the body of His anointed. 

 

Jesus body could NOT remain 72 hours in death, AND be "raised the 3rd day".  Those two are mutually exclusive. 

 

So we must change our definition of "the heart of the earth".  I believe we must start the "clock" with the hour that He was taken into custody.  THAT is WHEN our "Jonah" was effectively "thrown overboard".  If we start the clock with His binding by the guards, that makes the time come out right. 

 

DEFINITION OF “DAY: 1.  the part of 24 hours when it is not dark outside, (aprox. 12 hrs)
                       2.  the time period from sundown to sundown (24 hrs).
Remember - any part of a day counts as a day in Hebrew inclusive reckoning.

If the sun was shining at the moment of the resurrection - just at dawn - then it was counted as a “day.”  
He is resurrected ON the “third day” because the sun is now shining.  
He is resurrected ON “the third day” because it is Adar 16, and He died on Adar 14.  
    He spends “three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” because we begin the time when He is bound and taken into custody, during the night of Adar 14.

 

        The manna also was a symbol of Christ (John 6:30-35).  The manna fell every day except on the Sabbath.  Every day - except on the Sabbath - the manna would spoil and stink if kept overnight.  But on Sabbath there was a miracle.  The extra portion gathered on Friday, did not spoil over the Sabbath - just as the body of Christ did not see corruption.  The manna did not spoil (see “corruption) over the Sabbath when it was to be eaten up completely, just like the Passover lamb (Exodus 16:14-36).  If any of the manna was kept until Sunday (the third day), it would be spoiled.  The  Friday-Sabbath-Sunday sequence of the manna, matches the  Friday-Sabbath-Sunday of our Lord’s death and resurrection.  On Friday, a “double portion” of divine love was given to men, as all of heaven was poured out in one amazing gift. On Sabbath there was no manna because Christ was dead.  On Sunday - the manna was present once again, because Christ was risen.

 

The moon (also a symbol of Christ - reflecting the glory of His Father) disappears each month for the same time period that Jesus was "in the tomb".  The heavens teach us. 

8thdaypriest

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The Spirit gives inspiration which can come from the Father through the Son. The Spirit does not have to be literally taking as though it's a person. Even our earlier translations of the Bible used the word, (it) when referring to the Spirit.

Sometimes our behavior needs time to catch up to our salvation... ::puppykisses::

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Another example of “inclusive reckoning:”
The story of Peter and Cornelius.  

    1st Day:  An angel appeared to Cornelius “about the ninth hour of the day” telling him to send messengers to get Peter who was at Joppa (Acts 10:3-8).

    2nd Day:  As the messengers sent by Cornelius neared the house “on the morrow ... about the sixth hour”  (noon) Peter saw a vision.  In response to the vision Peter received the messengers and they spent the night there (verse 9).

    3rd Day:  And on the morrow Peter went away with them” (verse 23).

    4th Day: “And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea.”  Peter met Cornelius, who then told him of the angel’s visit.”  “Four days ago,” said Cornelius, “I was fasting unto this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing...” (Verses 24,30). When he recounted the story to Peter, Cornelius said, “Four days ago I was fasting until this hour.”  But count it for yourself!  Seventy-two hours (three full days) had passed from the time that Cornelius saw the vision, until he told the story to Peter - NOT 96 hours! Yet he says, “Four days ago.”  This is significant!!!

    This would mean that one could say “three days ago” and mean 48 hours!!!  
    Three AM Friday (when Christ was betrayed) to three AM Sunday is 48 hours.

8thdaypriest

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I wish I knew how to attach a picture to this post. 

I have it all in three tables in the study at my website. 

Look under the button for "Doctrinal Studies".

 

The Passover Lamb had to be marked for death on the 10th of Nissan, and then tethered to "the house" for inspection.

 

Christ presents Himself at the Temple - as the Passover lamb for inspection.  He is examined by “the multitudes,” by “chief priests and scribes” (John 12:12, Matthew 21, Mark 11, Luke 19).

Jesus had to be "inspected" from the 10th to the 13th, and then killed on the 14th (the Passover). 

He entered Jerusalem on the 10th, and went straight to the Temple, and remained there for inspection until the evening of the 13th.

He was inspected by priests, rulers, the people, and even the "Greeks". 

 

That means the triumphal entry had to be on the 10th.

 

        In the Wednesday death scenario, Jesus would have entered Jerusalem, receiving loud praise, with coats and palm branches laid down over His path ON THE SABBATH DAY.  It was forbidden to ride an animal on the Sabbath (Jub. 50:6-13), and it is even more difficult to imagine the Pharisees making no complaint specifically about the Sabbath day.  Yet there is no mention of any such complaint in the Gospel accounts.

        In the Thursday crucifixion scenario, Jesus would have hiked 13 miles uphill from Jericho to Bethany on the Sabbath, something that no observant Jew would have done.  (The allowed “Sabbath days journey” was about half a mile.) Didn’t happen! We would certainly have heard something about Sabbath breaking from the Pharisees considering the crowds and the “spies” that followed Him. He was the guest of honor at a feast given by Simon, the evening before He continued on the 2 additional miles up to Jerusalem.  

 

The only day that fits, for the triumphal entry is MONDAY.  And if Monday was the 10th - that means Friday was the 14th. 

 

Respectfully,

Rachel Cory

Prophecy Viewpoint
 

8thdaypriest

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        In the time of Christ, there was a dispute concerning the day for the presentation of the “Firstfruits.”  The 1st day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is called “a holy convocation” upon which “no customary work” was to be done.   In other words - “a sabbath” (Lev 23:7).   The Pharisees taught  that “the day after the sabbath” of the Leviticus 23:15 commandment, must be the 16th day of Adar - the day immediately following the Passover.  

        The Sadducees however believed that “the sabbath” meant the 7th day Sabbath.  The “day after” would be Sunday - the “first day of the week.”  The Sadducees celebrated the “firstfruits” on the “day after” the first 7th Day Sabbath which followed Passover.  Always a Sunday.
 
    NOTICE!!  If The First Day of Unleavened Bread fell ON a 7th Day Sabbath in the year Christ died, then the Pharisees and the Sadducees would have been in agreement regarding the celebration of the Firstfruits offering.  For the Pharisees, it would have been the day following the Feast of Unleavened Bread.   For the Sadducees it would have been the first Sunday which followed  The Feast of Unleavened Bread.  Fifty days later, the Pharisees and the Sadducees would all have celebrated Pentecost (Shavuot) on the same day.  They would all have been at the Temple on the day when the Holy Spirit was poured out, and Peter preached with power.  
        NOTE:  God does have a sense of humor!

8thdaypriest

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There are four different phrases used in Scriptures that describe the period from Jesus death (NOT from the time of His arrest) to resurrection:

 

1.  3 days and 3 nights (Matt 12:40)

2.  in three days (John 2:19-21)

3.  after three days (Matt. 27:63; Mk. 8:31) and

4.  third day (Matt. 16:21; 17:23; 20:19; 27:64; Mk. 9:31; 10:34; Lk. 9:22; 13:32; 18:33; 24:7, 21, 46)

           

Only the Wednesday crucifixion and early Saturday morning resurrection easily fits all these phrases.

         

  • 3 days and 3 nights. 

 

From Wednesday daytime to Saturday before sunrise is 3 days and 3 nights:

 

Daytime Wednesday  = day 1

Nighttime Wednesday  = night 1

Daytime Thursday  = day 2

Nighttime Thursday  = night 2

Daytime Friday  = day 3

Nighttime Friday (which extends up to before sunrise Saturday) = night 3

 

On the other hand, from Friday daytime to Sunday before sunrise is only 2 days and  2 nights:

 

Daytime Friday  = day 1

Nighttime Friday  = night 1

Daytime Saturday  = day 2

Nighttime Saturday (which extends up to before sunrise Sunday) = night 2

 

Hence, the Friday crucifixion and Sunday resurrection fails the test.

 

  • in three days. 

 

The Bible defines a day as having a night and a day (Gen 1:5,8,13,19,23,31).  Therefore, 'in three days' is actually in 3 nights and 3 days or 3 days and 3 nights.  Again the Friday crucifixion and Sunday resurrection cannot fit this because it only has 2 days and 2 nights or 2 nights and 2 days.

 

  • after three days. 

 

After 3 days from Wednesday = Saturday. 

 

Proof:

After 1 day from Wednesday = Thursday

After 2 days from Wednesday = Friday

Therefore: After 3 days from Wednesday = Saturday.

 

On the other hand, After 1 day from Friday = Saturday.  After 2 days from Friday = Sunday.  Therefore, the Friday crucifixion and Sunday resurrection cannot fit because Sunday is “after 2 days” from Friday, whereas the Bible specifies “after 3 days”.

 

  • third day. 

 

The Bible tells us that the phrase 'third day' is likewise equivalent to 'after three days':

 

2 Chronicles 10:5 And he said unto them, Come again unto me after three days. And the people departed.

 

2 Chronicles 10:12 So Jeroboam and all the people came to Rehoboam on the third day, as the king bade, saying, Come again to me on the third day.

 

Although the Friday crucifixion and early Sunday morning resurrection could fit the “third day” specification in the way we count, yet it cannot fit the Biblical account which equates the phrase “third day” into the phrase “after three days”.  It is only the Wednesday crucifixion and early Saturday morning resurrection that snugly fits into the FOUR (4) Biblical specifications.

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The LORD instructed that Passover be eaten on its appointed season (Hebrew d[eAm mow`ed).

 

KJV Numbers 9:

1  And the LORD spake unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the first month of the second year after they were come out of the land of Egypt, saying,
2 Let the children of Israel also keep the passover at his appointed season. 

3 In the fourteenth day of this month, at even, ye shall keep it in his appointed season: ...

 

The appointed season is the full moon:

 

NKJ Psalm 81:

3 Blow the trumpet at the time of the New Moon, At the full moon, on our solemn feast day. 

4 For this is a statute for Israel, A law of the God of Jacob. 

5 This He established in Joseph as a testimony, When He went throughout the land of Egypt, Where I heard a language I did not understand.

 

The only feast instituted and initially celebrated in Egypt is the Passover.

 

During the Passover season in AD 31, Tuesday night - March 27 - was a full moon night. Jesus ate Passover that same night with His disciples on the season specified in the law He said He came to fulfill, a day ahead of the Jewish national celebration. He was arrested that same night, and crucified the daytime that came, on Wednesday March 28, preparation day of Passover of the Jews (John 19:14), making Thursday a ceremonial Sabbath. After 3 days and 3 nights from daytime March 28, He resurrected early morning of the chief Sabbath, Saturday March 31, 31 AD.

 

Why chief sabbath?

 

Because there were two Sabbaths that occurred that week - the ceremonial Sabbath that then fell on Thursday and the weekly Sabbath, Saturday. Between a ceremonial sabbath which the LORD calls your sabbath, and the weekly Sabbath which the LORD calls My Sabbath, the chief Sabbath is undoubtedly, the weekly Sabbath - Saturday. And Mark, in Greek Scriptures, recorded that Jesus resurrected early morning of the chief Sabbath:

 

BYZ Mark 16:9 VAnasta.j de. prwi> prw,th| sabba,tou evfa,nh prw/ton Mari,a| th/| Magdalhnh/|( avfV h-j evkbeblh,kei e`pta. daimo,niaÅ

 

We have here Scriptural accounts corroborated by astronomical evidence.

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Jesus did not "speak of Himself" (by His own authority).  He told the disciples exactly THAT on more than on occasion.  I think it suggests the Spirit IS the Son of God - now glorified and omnipresent. 

 

"The last Adam became a life giving SPIRIT" (I Cor. 15:45 NKJV). 

 

The same verse can say something different to different people.  That's why we cannot base a doctrine on just a few "proof texts".

I'm not sure what text you seem to be quoting.  The only text in which that phrase is found in the KJV is the one I gave.

 

I'll also disagree with what you're inferring out of 1Cor 15:45.  It does not fit within the context of the surrounding verses. 

Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.
Alexis de Tocqueville
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Try these Joeb.

Jesus said the spirit to come would "not speak of himself" (on his own authority).  He said the same about himself. 

 

John 12:49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak." (NKJ)

 

John 12:50 "And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak." (NKJ)

 

John 14:10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works." (NKJ)

 

In His prayer to His Father, Christ prayed "I in them, and You in Me, that they may be made perfect in one"  (John 17:23).

 

So - according to John 17:23, the Father dwelt in His Son, and the Son dwells in us.  "Christ in you, the hope of glory" (Col 1:27).

 

No mention of a THIRD Divine being. 

8thdaypriest

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It is just my opinion, but I believe Jesus died on a Friday, and rose at dawn of Sunday. 

Anyone interested can visit my website.

Respectfully,

Rachel Cory

Prophecy Viewpoint

8thdaypriest

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It is just my opinion, but I believe Jesus died on a Friday, and rose at dawn of Sunday. 

Anyone interested can visit my website.

Respectfully,

Rachel Cory

Prophecy Viewpoint

They can watch my video too.

Sometimes our behavior needs time to catch up to our salvation... ::puppykisses::

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If Jesus is also the Spirit, did Jesus see Himself alighting upon Himself after His baptism?

 

NKJ Matthew 3:16   When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him.

 

NKJ Mark 1:10   And immediately, coming up from the water, He saw the heavens parting and the Spirit descending upon Him like a dove.

 

If Jesus is also the Spirit, did He lead HImself to the wilderness?

 

NKJ Matthew 4:1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.

NKJ Mark 1:12  Immediately the Spirit drove Him into the wilderness.

NKJ Luke 4:1 Then Jesus, being filled with the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

 

In view of the above verses and many others more, I really find it difficult to believe that Jesus is also the Holy Spirit.

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If Jesus is also the Spirit, did Jesus see Himself alighting upon Himself after His baptism?

 

NKJ Matthew 3:16   When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him.

 

NKJ Mark 1:10   And immediately, coming up from the water, He saw the heavens parting and the Spirit descending upon Him like a dove.

 

If Jesus is also the Spirit, did He lead HImself to the wilderness?

 

NKJ Matthew 4:1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.

NKJ Mark 1:12  Immediately the Spirit drove Him into the wilderness.

NKJ Luke 4:1 Then Jesus, being filled with the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

 

In view of the above verses and many others more, I really find it difficult to believe that Jesus is also the Holy Spirit.

 

If Jesus is also the Spirit, did Jesus see Himself alighting upon Himself after His baptism?

 

NKJ Matthew 3:16   When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him.

 

NKJ Mark 1:10   And immediately, coming up from the water, He saw the heavens parting and the Spirit descending upon Him like a dove.

 

If Jesus is also the Spirit, did He lead HImself to the wilderness?

 

NKJ Matthew 4:1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.

NKJ Mark 1:12  Immediately the Spirit drove Him into the wilderness.

NKJ Luke 4:1 Then Jesus, being filled with the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

 

In view of the above verses and many others more, I really find it difficult to believe that Jesus is also the Holy Spirit.

 

I believe the Spirit can be everywhere present. The Spirit can be manifesting in and through Jesus, at the same time, be in the womb of Elisabeth, at the same time be in heaven, at the same time descend on Jesus, at the same time preparing hearts on the other side of the world. The dove descending on Jesus was only a sign that identified Him to those around Him.

 

1 Corinthians 12:7-12 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

Sometimes our behavior needs time to catch up to our salvation... ::puppykisses::

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