Are the three Angels' Messages Dead or Alive?

[JoeMo]

8 hours ago, Seventh Day said:

Oh yeah - God wants to save those kicking and screaming party breakers the Pharisees preventing everybody else to enter into the Kingdom? God provided to such a guaranteed path not to hell but to heaven in the Person of Jesus?!

 ^"Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? ³² For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!" (Ezek. 18:31-32)

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." 2Peter 3:9)

[Martn]

13 hours ago, Seventh Day said:

uncheckable generalisation...

You ask not to be judged for your belief.

I ask the same.

[hch]

We are getting down to the wire for Mr. Obama's implementation of the Mark of the Beast in fulfillment of the the Third Angel's message.

" President Obama has been emphatically warning Americans about the dangers of a Trump presidency. But these warnings divert attention from a much darker reality. His Justice Department is in fact pushing the law in a direction that will enable the next president to declare war against any “terrorist” group or nation without the consent of Congress." (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/obama-illegal-wars/497159/ )

 

[Martn]

On 8/23/2016 at 3:33 PM, JoeMo said:

He's not gonna drag people into heaven kicking and screaming

Personal choice ultimately won't have anything to do with it.

Salvation itself is a gift. Not merely a gift, but a free gift. It can neither be earned nor forfeited.

Even now we have, by birth, many gifts from God we did not choose and can do nothing to diminish.

So it will be in the world to come. He will make "all" things new again. Every thing destroyed will be restored to perfection.

Clay once marred in the Potter's hands, we are told, will be mashed down and remade according to his will. The creature, we are told, will not then say to the Potter, Why have you made me thus?

The gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.

"What so ever" God makes shall last for ever, because "nothing" can be done to alter or diminish it. Ecclesiastes 3:14.

They are eternal as God is eternal. Not in and of themselves of course. Not naturally or inherently immortal, but by the sustaining power of God, who will never eliminate entirely anything he has made.

They suffer much more than those who enter by the Straight Gate (Jesus), and they won't receive the reward of the righteous, but they will receive the gift. (Gifts and rewards being not the same thing.)

 

[Martn]

Three of the four messengers were universalists.

Sister White was the only exception. That wasn't always the case, however.

Originally, her inner circle had come from a religious background of universalists (the Christian Connection). Sadly, out of shame and fear, they eventually turned against this message. (Accused of being Spiritualists, they began grasping for any kind of doctrine which could help distinguish them from Spiritualists in general.)

[JoeMo]

17 hours ago, Martn said:

Personal choice ultimately won't have anything to do with it.  Salvation itself is a gift. Not merely a gift, but a free gift. It can neither be earned nor forfeited.

In my opinion, it's only a gift if the potential receiver chooses to accept it. If one  chooses NOT to accept the gift, it does them no good.  I doubt that God will FORCE His gift of salvation upon us.   God gave us a free will - personal choice WILL have something to do with it.  But that's just my opinion.

I like the manner in which we are discussing this, Martn!

[hch]

great presentation almost up to date

 

[hch]

This video is worth watching as well

 

[phkrause]

On 8/25/2016 at 10:41 AM, JoeMo said:

In my opinion, it's only a gift if the potential receiver chooses to accept it. If one  chooses NOT to accept the gift, it does them no good.  I doubt that God will FORCE His gift of salvation upon us.   God gave us a free will - personal choice WILL have something to do with it.  But that's just my opinion.

I like the manner in which we are discussing this, Martn!

I agree with you. Also why would God have 2 resurrections, one for the righteous and one for the unrighteous, if he is going to save everyone?? And why have a lake of fire?? If everyone is being saved, no matter if they choose to except Jesus or not!!

[Martn]

On 8/25/2016 at 9:41 AM, JoeMo said:

 I doubt that God will FORCE His gift of salvation upon us.

God will never compel anyone against one's will.

The only force involved is the force of creation.

There is no more force involved than when God made us the first time around.

So it will be when God makes "all" things new the second time. Everything which is destroyed will then be able to be restored to its original perfection as God had first intended.

Every single one of us, as souls, are actual creations of God.

"What so ever" God makes will exist forever, because "nothing" can be done to alter or diminish it. Ecclesiastes 3:14.

That part in each of us which God originated cannot be altered and will never be destroyed, therefore.

Only the parts in us which have grown out of it and against God will be eliminated. Either in this life, by gentler means, or in the life to come by less gentle means.

(The parts in us which have grown out of it and toward God will remain, however. We get to keep the good characters we build upon that which God first gave us. While the wicked lose everything they have built thereon, though not the part which God made.)

The purpose of the lake of fire is to purify them. To destroy that in them which chooses destruction, leaving only that in them which does not oppose God, the part in them which God originated.

[Martn]

According to Jude 7,

Sodom and her people, her children, are the primary biblical example of what God eventually will do for all the wicked dead.

"Sodom and her children shall be restored to their former estate" and "I will make them your children."

Ezekiel 16:49, 50, 55, 61.

[hch]

18 hours ago, phkrause said:

I agree with you. Also why would God have 2 resurrections, one for the righteous and one for the unrighteous, if he is going to save everyone?? And why have a lake of fire?? If everyone is being saved, no matter if they choose to except Jesus or not!!

But God has given us the Three angels' messages and the fourth angel sounds at the right time to prepare us for what is ahead so that no one needs to be lost. Unless an individual is so devoid of the Holy Spirit that they choose to disregard all of the warnings. Every choice has its consequences.

[Martn]

On 8/25/2016 at 9:41 AM, JoeMo said:

I like the manner in which we are discussing this, Martn!

THANK YOU

[hch]

6 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

I believe there is a push here to make us think much more carefully about what we say publically. While the intention is good there are some who are taking it too far. I would also add that with this topic some of us have been isolating and over emphasizing. certain aspects in ways that the bible does not. The 3 Angels message is much more than "a warning" 

None the less, a warning that needs to be emphasized. The RC is not the problem in the endtime that it was years ago. It is the image beast under the control of apostate protestants that is to be the last one that wage war against God's people. Even now it is happening, but ever so subtle.

[hch]

7 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

So some people say

Since the Spirit of Prophecy says it, some people are in good company.

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And when the Papacy, robbed of its strength, was forced to desist from persecution, John beheld a new power coming up to echo the dragon's voice, and carry forward the same cruel and blasphemous work. This power, the last that is to wage war against the church and the law of God, was symbolized by a beast with lamblike horns. The beasts preceding it had risen from the sea, but this came up out of the earth, representing the peaceful rise of the nation which is symbolized. The "two horns like a lamb" well represent the character of the United States Government.... {ST, November 1, 1899 par. 4}

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There is need of a much closer study of the Word of God. Especially should Daniel and the Revelation have attention as never before in the history of our work. We may have less to say in some lines, in regard to the Roman power and the papacy, but we should call attention to what the prophets and the apostles have written under the inspiration of the Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit has so shaped matters, both in the giving of the prophecy, and in the events portrayed, as to teach that the human agent is to be kept out of sight, hid in Christ, and the Lord God of heaven and His law are to be exalted.  {16MR 333.2}

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And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.  Revelation  13:11-12

 

[hch]

The Third Angel's Message includes DON'T TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST.

Thus it is important to know who the image beast is that is going to implement it.

I tweeted this synopsis yesterday---

2016 US Presidential election a charade. Clinton & Trump will never B in office. Unnamed source says "Obama has made plans to stay in power"

I discovered that truth by Bible study. When I shared it with a person that I chanced to meet, They wondered how I knew it. When I explained that it was in the Bible they replied, "_ works at the White House for President Obama. _ job is to get things ready for President Obama to stay in office."

The Lord knows what's happening even if the sleeping saints are too exhausted to watch like they should. Fascinating that I would find it in the Bible and then meet a stranger who knew _in the White House, who was doing the very thing that the Bible states would happen. A convenient coincidence or a divine appointment?

To their hurt, the nay sayers will explain everything away that could give them an edge on preparing for the final conflict.

 

[hch]

A complete study of Daniel and Revelation supplemented with the Spirit of Prophecy

[JoeMo]

1 hour ago, hch said:

A complete study of Daniel and Revelation supplemented with the Spirit of Prophecy

If you can't prove your point using scripture alone and need to rely on supplemental material from the SoP, I wouldn't consider it a valid "Bible Study".  It's kinda like LDS saying "a complete study of scripture supplemented with the Book of Mormon".

[JoeMo]

9 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

What are we trying to do? Scare people half to death into the Church?  I didn't join the church because I was scared of the "warning;"

Personally, I don't think the purpose of identifying the players is meant to be a scare tactic; it's meant to be the spiritual equivalent of military intelligence.  The "General" is telling us what will happen in the war; and how we are to respond to the enemy.  I value credible scenarios concerning end-time events.  I want to be able to recognize it when these prophecies are fulfilling.

9 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

I didn't join the church because I was scared of the "warning;" I joined because the message of Jesus Christ, and Him crucified was throughout all prophetic books of the Bible.

Sounds like the right reason to belong to a Bible believing church!  

[Martn]

On 8/31/2016 at 7:36 AM, hch said:

I tweeted this synopsis yesterday---

2016 US Presidential election a charade. Clinton & Trump will never B in office. Unnamed source says "Obama has made plans to stay in power"

I discovered that truth by Bible study.

This will NOT happen.

That is my prediction. In just a few months we'll see.

[hch]

7 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

I think it has to be conceded that we are over emphasizing and dramatizing "end times scenarios" and the "warning"  It seems to me that everyones warning list is different from everyone elses. And it could all be avoided if we would get back to the idea that Christ is the Center Stage of every Bible message and if He isnt for whatever reason then its not right. It bothers me that so few want to talk about Jesus, preferring instead to proffer and polish their "end times warning"  and never talking about Jesus and how Him crucified is still where the spotlight of Bible prophecy is. Don't you think there is a reason that the Apostle calls it "the sure Word of prophecy?"  I have seen few "warning messages" where the word "sure" can apply 100 percent

It bothers me that so many people profess a love for Jesus, but deny the nearness of His coming Thus they do not actively warn others of the danger of not being in a state of readiness. They leave the finishing work undone and hinder those who are trying to rouse the sleeping would-be saints. Did Jesus say that those who are not with Me are against Me?

[hch]

2 hours ago, Martn said:

This will NOT happen.

That is my prediction. In just a few months we'll see.

If it does not happen, I will be embarrassed. But when it does happen, how will your expressions of doubt and unbelief be made right?

It is one thing to study prophecy and express an opinion. It is quite another to not study a prophecy thoroughly and denounce it unequivocally.

That happened between Jeremiah and Hananiah.

I'll pray for you.

 

[hch]

7 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

Well I am glad to read that you will pray for me. You have no idea how badly I stand in the need of prayer. I would still appreciate a text or texts that mentions President Obama as you have cited. I have not "denounced" anything. Merely asked a question to request evidence of your assertions.

Btw. I like your user name. Thinking of oourselves as Gods child is the perfect place to start ?

Wanderer,

If you go back to the beginning of this thread and read my posts, you will find the information that you are seeking. 

Christian regards

[hch]

Thismorning while studying the Ten virgins in conjunction with the Third angel's message, I found 2 gems

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"Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh" (Matthew 25:13).

 

That can also be translated "Wake then, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh."

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The Lord calls upon His slumbering people to awake out of their sleep. Many who in their ignorance consider themselves to be wise--like the foolish virgins in the parable--do not realize that their lamps are going out. When they awake to their condition it will be too late for them to obtain a fresh supply of oil, and they will be unready to meet the Bridegroom.  {9MR 206.2} 

 

[hch]

On 7/29/2016 at 10:05 PM, hch said:

Hey JoeMo,

My study is far more extensive than this text but it sums it up without spending an hour on the details (but everyone should look at the entire study and get the details):

Daniel 11:20-21 " Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle. And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honor of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries."

As I read it, this is a horrible translation and it is about President Obama.

21 ¶  "To tarry beyond the time <05975> (8804) the foot [President Obama] <03653> to cause <05674> (8688) [the taskmaster] <05065> (8802) in the glory <01925> of the kingdom <04438>: but within few <0259> days <03117> he shall be destroyed [President Obama by the brightness of Christ's coming]<07665> (8735), neither in anger <0639>, nor in battle <04421>. The foot [President Obama]<03653> shall stand up, <05975> (8804) the vile person <0959> (8737), to whom they shall not give <05414> (8804) the honor <01935> of the kingdom <04438>: but he shall come <0935> (8804) in peaceably <07962>, and obtain <02388> (8689) the kingdom <04438> by flatteries <02519>.

Christian regards

His child

Wanderer, this was on page 7 in this topic. Will do a follow-up with more info.