hch Posted September 2, 2016 Author Posted September 2, 2016 21 minutes ago, The Wanderer said: There is no text from the bible on first few pages with Obamas name in it or that says he has a plan to stay in power for another term The discussion and texts were actually in the Thread: what in Daniel connects to Obama's term as America's final president? Here is some of the info: Daniel 7:2-3 states that 4 beasts came from the SEA (Great Sea= Mediterranean) . Heaven changes their location from the sea to the earth 7:17 Heaven's interpretation changes the focus from sea-beasts/ kingdoms to 4 kings from the EARTH. Traditionally we have believed that the symbolic sea-kingdoms ruled the literal earth. BUT the symbolic SEA is not the symbolic EARTH. The symbolism in Daniel 7 is the same symbolism as it is in Revelation 13: lion, leopard, bear, beast with no description except it has horns (unidentified beast with lamblike horns), sea, and earth. Tradition accepts that the sea is the earth in Daniel 7 But prophetic study indicates that the sea is not the earth in Rev 13. Why would they be the same in Daniel 7 and different in Rev 13? Since the symbolism is the same in both places of the lion, bear, leopard, and they each have an indescribable beast why should we imagine that the sea and earth would be symbolic sea and literal earth in Daniel 7 but both symbolic in Rev 13 That reasoning defies good hermeneutics. Sea = old world. Earth = new world. Daniel 7:17 "These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth." Revelation 13 explains that America is the power that arises from the prophetic earth Meaning of Daniel 7:17 that was sealed until knowledge increased after 1844: These great beasts, which are four, are four Presidents, which shall arise out of America. But the kingdoms that sealed the authenticity of Daniel's prophecy and closed up and shut up the endtime meaning until knowledge was increased has become a stumbling block to most folks like the serpent on the pole that Moses made became an idol over time. His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com
hch Posted September 2, 2016 Author Posted September 2, 2016 37 minutes ago, The Wanderer said: There is no text from the bible on first few pages with Obamas name in it or that says he has a plan to stay in power for another term Daniel 7:2-3 = sea-beasts Daniel 7:17 defines them as earth-kings Revelation 13:11-18 identifies prophetic earth as uninhabited area Genesis 1:9-10 Gathered waters = seas; dry land = earth; Adam and Noah commanded to replenish the earth that was sparsely populated Dan 7:11 "I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame."Dan 7:12 "As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time." Daniel 7:11 is followed by a caveat that explains it-- 7:12 identifies 91-year period. Reagan was 90 on 2/6/01 thus on 9/11/01 he was in his 91st year. The three earth-beasts that are identified are Reagan (lion's mouth great orator/head of gold Reaganomics), Bush I (bear/silver), and Clinton (leopard/brass midsection). Pope John-Paul II spoke great words in Dies Domini when he reaffirmed RC teaching that God changed Sabbath to Sunday There will be burning flames at Christ's Coming when Bush II & Obama (2 men as 1 President like pagan and Papal Rome were one) will be consumed by Christ's Glory. "And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries" (Daniel 11:21). estate is also translated foot: Bush II and Obama are the iron legs in Daniel 2 that extend iron down into the feet that they mix with clay (churchcraft= blending church and state) more to come... His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com
JoeMo Posted September 2, 2016 Posted September 2, 2016 Color me dense, but I still don't see the logic or symbolism of hch's logic. He may be embarrassed if things don't turn out as he predicts. I will be absolutely flummoxed and bewildered if they do. Only 2 months until we find out! One thing I do agree with hch on - the return of Jesus to repossess this planet is sooner than most of us think. Kinda like looking at Jesus in the passenger side rear view mirror of your car - the one that says "Objects are closer than they appear". 8thdaypriest 1
Martn Posted September 2, 2016 Posted September 2, 2016 22 hours ago, hch said: If it does not happen, I will be embarrassed. But, even then you won't stop, will you? You'll just reinterpret everything and put it out again as though nothing had gone wrong. This is the history of Adventism itself. We have seen it over and over and over again. Failed cries of warning, no matter how many times they have failed to prove true, don't ever convince their proponents to stop crying wolf. They just keep right on crying wolf again and again and again. Which is what makes the people sleepy and not able to be roused enough when the true warnings at last are sounded. I haven't ignored your evidences. I studied and restudied them. I conducted my own studies too. And what I find, consistently, is the things you predict simply will not happen. And once again, the people who believed will be disappointed and put more to sleep than ever before. This is not good. 2 Samuel 24:1-- The LORD moved David to number Israel. 1 Chronicles 21:1-- SATAN moved David to number Israel.
hch Posted September 4, 2016 Author Posted September 4, 2016 On 9/2/2016 at 1:17 PM, The Wanderer said: Daniel 7:12 says nothing about 91 years neither does Obama or Bush get mentioned anywhere in the bible "As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time" (Daniel 7:12). There are 4 seasons in a year, and a season can be calculated as 90-days in Bible prophetic calculations because a prophetic year generally has 360-days. A day in Bible prophecy can be a year. 90-days is 90-years. A time is a year in Daniel. King Nebuchadnezzar was insane for 7-times or 7-years. 90-years + 1-year are 91-years. Reagan turned 90 years old 2/6/2001 On 9/11 he was out of office as was Bush I and Clinton. These 3 are "the rest of the beasts" that are explaining what led up to verse 7:11 "I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame." Bush II and Obama are the two presidents that followed Reagan, Bush I, & Clinton. Bush II and Obama are considered to be one as pagan Rome and Papal Rome were considered to be one beast. Thus Bush II and Obama are consumed by the fire the brightness of Christ's glory at His coming. His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com
hch Posted September 4, 2016 Author Posted September 4, 2016 On 9/2/2016 at 1:28 PM, JoeMo said: Color me dense, but I still don't see the logic or symbolism of hch's logic. He may be embarrassed if things don't turn out as he predicts. I will be absolutely flummoxed and bewildered if they do. Only 2 months until we find out! One thing I do agree with hch on - the return of Jesus to repossess this planet is sooner than most of us think. Kinda like looking at Jesus in the passenger side rear view mirror of your car - the one that says "Objects are closer than they appear". JoeMo, I can only explain it as I understand it. It is the Holy Spirit's job to give understanding. Sometimes folks have difficulty understanding Bible prophecy because they are trying to make things that are being explained fit into their current understanding of Bible prophecy rather than set aside their understanding and look at the information in the context of what is being said. And there is a devil that is actively trying to keep folks form understanding Bible prophecy. His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com
hch Posted September 4, 2016 Author Posted September 4, 2016 On 9/2/2016 at 7:09 PM, Martn said: But, even then you won't stop, will you? You'll just reinterpret everything and put it out again as though nothing had gone wrong. This is the history of Adventism itself. We have seen it over and over and over again. Failed cries of warning, no matter how many times they have failed to prove true, don't ever convince their proponents to stop crying wolf. They just keep right on crying wolf again and again and again. Which is what makes the people sleepy and not able to be roused enough when the true warnings at last are sounded. I haven't ignored your evidences. I studied and restudied them. I conducted my own studies too. And what I find, consistently, is the things you predict simply will not happen. And once again, the people who believed will be disappointed and put more to sleep than ever before. This is not good. Martn, When I began studying the Bible in earnest in 1997, I had some near misses as did the Adventists in 1843. Then I was privileged to go back to the Bible prophecy and see what I did not understand and update my understanding. By God's grace, I was able to correct my course and get closer though not having everything correct as did the Adventists in 1844. But still God allowed me to study and learn from my mistakes and then it happened. From 9/30/2011 to 9/30/2012, from Bible study, I predicted that Pope Benedict XVI would not be pope after the Spring of 2013. Perhaps you missed it, but he resigned in February 2013 (before the Spring of 2013). And then before it happened, I predicted Brexit from my understanding of Revelation 18. (My investments in Brexit could have made me $2000 richer, but I did not know when to sell so I had to settle for $1000). As it was in the days of Noe, folks would not believe him until it started raining. Jesus said it would be that way before He comes. So I don't expect everyone to believe what I have found to be the meaning of Bible prophecy: Hillary and Donald will not be President because America is going to go to war with Iran and Obama is going to turn on the Constitution and remain in office until Christ comes. I won't waste my time trying to predict what will happen to those who refuse to examine my understanding of Bible prophecy or those who grind it into the dust. Perhaps they will wake up when they see it and repent and be converted. Or perhaps they will to quote you "just reinterpret everything and put it out again as though nothing had" been fulfilled? His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com
hch Posted September 4, 2016 Author Posted September 4, 2016 On 8/31/2016 at 5:16 PM, JoeMo said: If you can't prove your point using scripture alone and need to rely on supplemental material from the SoP, I wouldn't consider it a valid "Bible Study". It's kinda like LDS saying "a complete study of scripture supplemented with the Book of Mormon". JoeMo, My understanding of Bible prophecy is not possible without the Bible. The Spirit of prophecy has been a reliable companion to the Bible in that study, but I cannot say that for the book of Mormon. I stay with what I know to be true and I discard what I have proved to be unreliable. His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com
LifeHiscost Posted September 8, 2016 Posted September 8, 2016 On 9/2/2016 at 10:28 AM, JoeMo said: Color me dense, but I still don't see the logic or symbolism of hch's logic. He may be embarrassed if things don't turn out as he predicts. I will be absolutely flummoxed and bewildered if they do. Only 2 months until we find out! One thing I do agree with hch on - the return of Jesus to repossess this planet is sooner than most of us think. Kinda like looking at Jesus in the passenger side rear view mirror of your car - the one that says "Objects are closer than they appear". An SDA Pastor’s Dream of Obama From the 1980’s Pastor Jack Darnall’s Dream of Obama from the 1980s This might be of significant interest although some of that stated as facts have already materialized as different, unless more than one pope could be ruling in conjunction with another. http://omega77.tripod.com/darnalldreamobama.htm God is Love!~Jesus saves! Lift Jesus up!!
hch Posted September 9, 2016 Author Posted September 9, 2016 Perhaps some SDA's will accept dreams and visions easier than having God's word right at their fingertips. I spoke to an SDA unbeliever at Southern U last Sabbath. They had a symposium on the three angels' messages. Some really great historical data, but not too much on current events that was pertinent. After the event, I attempted to get some feedback from one of the scholars that organized the event. His body language cried not interested and he summed it up by saying that I had an amazing imagination. I advised him to contact me after Hillary and Donald were set aside in their Presidential aspirations, and when President Obama continued in the Oval Office beyond his constitutionally allotted time. I prayed for him and the other presenters. And a remarkable thing happened. The Lord explained to me from the Testimonies why His people are so slow to go forward by faith. It is His way of sorting the faithful from those who are faithful in name only. In other words, it relates to the shaking. As God led His people in 1840 - 1844, He is leading them now. His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com
JoeMo Posted September 9, 2016 Posted September 9, 2016 14 hours ago, hch said: I spoke to an SDA unbeliever at Southern U last Sabbath. They had a symposium on the three angels' messages. An SDA unbeliever - sounds like an oxymoron to me. How can one be an SDA and an unbeliever at the same time? Or was he/she an "unbeliever" because he/she doesn't accept your version of the truth? If that's the case, you're being a little judgmental and condemning, don't you think? rudywoofs (Pam) and hch 2
CoAspen Posted September 9, 2016 Posted September 9, 2016 Quote I prayed for him and the other presenters. And a remarkable thing happened. The Lord explained to me from the Testimonies why His people are so slow to go forward by faith. It is His way of sorting the faithful from those who are faithful in name only. In other words, it relates to the shaking. As God led His people in 1840 - 1844, He is leading them now. Based on all of your previous posts, I can only assume that you are doing the sorting based on your beliefs/interpretations. I also question just who/whom is "speaking" to you as I find little of your postings agreeing with EGW or the Bible. just say'n.... Martn 1
hch Posted September 9, 2016 Author Posted September 9, 2016 7 hours ago, JoeMo said: An SDA unbeliever - sounds like an oxymoron to me. How can one be an SDA and an unbeliever at the same time? Or was he/she an "unbeliever" because he/she doesn't accept your version of the truth? If that's the case, you're being a little judgmental and condemning, don't you think? I received a PM today from someone who I met Sabbath. "I am forwarding this to you for your information." "The Lord never blesses him who criticizes and accuses his brethren, for this is Satan’s work" Manuscript 21, 1894. “We all need to study as never before the parable of the ten virgins. Five of them were wise, and five were foolish. The wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. This is the holy oil represented in Zechariah (Zech. 4 : 11 – 14 quoted "The reproofs, the cautions, the corrections of the Lord, have been given to His church in all ages of the world. These warnings were despised and rejected in Christ’s day by the self-righteous Pharisees, who claimed that they needed no such reproof and were unjustly dealt with. They would not receive the word of the Lord through His servants because it did not please their inclinations. Should the Lord give a vision right before this class of people in our day, pointing out their mistakes, rebuking their self-righteousness and condemning their sins, they would rise up in rebellion, like the inhabitants of Nazareth when Christ showed them their true condition. If these persons do not humble their hearts before God, if they harbor the suggestions of Satan, doubt and infidelity will take possession of the soul, and they will see everything in a false light. Let the seeds of doubt once be sown in their hearts and they will have an abundant harvest to reap. They will come to mistrust and disbelieve truths which are plain and full of beauty to others who have not educated themselves in unbelief. Those who train the mind to seize upon everything which they can use as a peg to hang a doubt upon, and suggest these thoughts to other minds, will always find occasion to doubt. They will question and criticize everything that arises in the unfolding of truth, criticize the work and position of others, criticize every branch of the work in which they have not themselves a part. They will feed upon the errors and mistakesand faults of others, “until,” said the angel, “the Lord Jesus shall rise up from His mediatorial work in the heavenly sanctuary and shall clothe Himself with the garments of vengeance and surprise them at their unholy feast, and they will find themselves unprepared for the marriage supper of the Lamb.” Their taste has been so perverted that they would be inclined to criticize even the table of the Lord in His kingdom." Testimonies for the Church Volume 5, p. 689.2 His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com
hch Posted September 9, 2016 Author Posted September 9, 2016 Just now, hch said: I received a PM today from someone who I met Sabbath. "I am forwarding this to you for your information." "The Lord never blesses him who criticizes and accuses his brethren, for this is Satan’s work" Manuscript 21, 1894. “We all need to study as never before the parable of the ten virgins. Five of them were wise, and five were foolish. The wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. This is the holy oil represented in Zechariah (Zech. 4 : 11 – 14 quoted "The reproofs, the cautions, the corrections of the Lord, have been given to His church in all ages of the world. These warnings were despised and rejected in Christ’s day by the self-righteous Pharisees, who claimed that they needed no such reproof and were unjustly dealt with. They would not receive the word of the Lord through His servants because it did not please their inclinations. Should the Lord give a vision right before this class of people in our day, pointing out their mistakes, rebuking their self-righteousness and condemning their sins, they would rise up in rebellion, like the inhabitants of Nazareth when Christ showed them their true condition. If these persons do not humble their hearts before God, if they harbor the suggestions of Satan, doubt and infidelity will take possession of the soul, and they will see everything in a false light. Let the seeds of doubt once be sown in their hearts and they will have an abundant harvest to reap. They will come to mistrust and disbelieve truths which are plain and full of beauty to others who have not educated themselves in unbelief. Those who train the mind to seize upon everything which they can use as a peg to hang a doubt upon, and suggest these thoughts to other minds, will always find occasion to doubt. They will question and criticize everything that arises in the unfolding of truth, criticize the work and position of others, criticize every branch of the work in which they have not themselves a part. They will feed upon the errors and mistakesand faults of others, “until,” said the angel, “the Lord Jesus shall rise up from His mediatorial work in the heavenly sanctuary and shall clothe Himself with the garments of vengeance and surprise them at their unholy feast, and they will find themselves unprepared for the marriage supper of the Lamb.” Their taste has been so perverted that they would be inclined to criticize even the table of the Lord in His kingdom." Testimonies for the Church Volume 5, p. 689.2 His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com
hch Posted September 9, 2016 Author Posted September 9, 2016 12 minutes ago, CoAspen said: Based on all of your previous posts, I can only assume that you are doing the sorting based on your beliefs/interpretations. I also question just who/whom is "speaking" to you as I find little of your postings agreeing with EGW or the Bible. just say'n.... I'm Just Prayin His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com
LifeHiscost Posted September 9, 2016 Posted September 9, 2016 On 4/24/2016 at 7:33 PM, Nic Samojluk said: When James Gilley retired, the 3ABN board elected Danny Shelton back to the presidency. My suggestion to improve the message of 3ABN is to include the protection of the right to life of the unborn. The Catholic Church is wrong on many fundamental doctrines, but Rome is right on the sanctity of human life. Their hospitals refuse to offer abortion services to their patients. This will grant Rome the high moral ground when they attempt to impose Sunday as the obligatory day of rest. They will argue: "Look at these Adventists! They believe that worshiping God on Sunday is wrong, but they see nothing wrong with killing innocent unborn children for profit." An interesting official guideline when choosing the possibility as a health institution as provided on this page. https://www.adventist.org/en/information/official-statements/guidelines/article/go/-/abortion/ 4) The Church does not serve as conscience for individuals; however, it should provide moral guidance. Abortions for reasons of birth control, gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church. Women, at times however, may face exceptional circumstances that present serious moral or medical dilemmas, such as significant threats to the pregnant woman's life, serious jeopardy to her health, severe congenital defects carefully diagnosed in the fetus, and pregnancy resulting from rape or incest. The final decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not should be made by the pregnant woman after appropriate consultation. She should be aided in her decision by accurate information, biblical principles, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Moreover, these decisions are best made within the context of healthy family relationships. And I would add to that last sentence, "If at all possible". God is Love!~Jesus saves! Lift Jesus up!!
hch Posted September 10, 2016 Author Posted September 10, 2016 When in doubt, ask God. Study His word and obey it. Some Laodiceans, who have forgotten how God has led in our past history believe that infallibility is the standard for prophetic discernment. Get everything right before we open our mouth. But prophecy is history that has not yet happened. Thus we can but prayerfully study God's word (relating to prophecy) and teach what we understand at the time of our understanding. Then when the prophecy is fulfilled, we will know better if we are right or not. But to fail to tell what we understand to be the meaning of the prophecy when we believe that God has made it clear, is to keep silent when we should speak. As it is written, "A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver" (Proverbs 25:11). Quote "Are we to wait until the fulfillment of the prophecies of the end before we say anything concerning them? Of what value will our words be then? Shall we wait until God's judgments fall upon the transgressor before we tell him how to avoid them? Where is our faith in the word of God? Must we see things foretold come to pass before we will believe what He has said? In clear, distinct rays light has come to us, showing us that the great day of the Lord is near at hand, 'even at the doors.' Let us read and understand before it is too late." {9T 20.1} I lamented to the individual, who is proof reading my latest book on Daniel and Revelation that it is going so slow because I am rewriting so much. Their reply, "Your book. Very intense & detailed info! Not easy to present." Quote "Give the Lord Jesus Christ Himself room to teach; let Him by the influence of His Spirit open to the understanding the wonderful plan of salvation. There is a time of trouble coming to the people of God, but we are not to keep that constantly before the people, and rein them up to have a time of trouble beforehand. There is to be a shaking among God's people; but this is not the present truth to carry to the churches; it will be the result of refusing the truth presented." {3MR 33.2} Quote " A great shaking up must come. The professed believers in the truth for this time are asleep. They need to awake, and shine anew because the light of truth has not only flashed upon them, but rightly done its work. God will have representatives in every place in all parts of the world." {KC 124.1} His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com
Nic Samojluk Posted September 10, 2016 Posted September 10, 2016 15 hours ago, LifeHiscost said: An interesting official guideline when choosing the possibility as a health institution as provided on this page. https://www.adventist.org/en/information/official-statements/guidelines/article/go/-/abortion/ And I would add to that last sentence, "If at all possible". God is Love!~Jesus saves! LifeHiscost, Thanks for quoting what I said about the way 3ABN presents the three angel’s message. My opinion is that they do it quite well; nevertheless, it needs to be improved. Their claim is that the message of 3ABN is “undiluted.” My answer is that it is diluted by their almost complete silence about the violation of the Commandment that forbids the killing of innocent human beings. Four decades ago, when I applied for my Realtors license, the first ethical requirement I was confronted with was my need for “Full Disclosure.” I was duty bound to disclose to a potential buyer every known material defect of the property I was showing to my clients. If I failed in this duty, I could be sued by the purchaser and potentially loose my real estate license. Many people join the Adventist Church as a result of the sacred work of 3ABN. They rely on the influence of this ministry. If full disclosure is required when purchasing a piece of real estate, more so it should be required when dealing with eternal life. 3ABN fails to disclose to potential converts to Adventism that the church for many decades engaged in elective abortions for the sake of profit starting back in 1970 when Neal Wilson compromised on this moral issue and allowed our hospitals to offer abortions on demand to their patients. 3ABN also routinely fails to disclose that even now the church justifies the killing of innocent human beings when the father of the unborn child was a violator, when there is evidence of malformation in the unborn, and even when the woman’s pregnancy affects her mental health. This means that innocent human beings are being deprived of life by dismemberment or poisoning when the parent of the child was a sinner, when he unborn child has a physical deformity—correctable in many cases- and even when the woman faced with an unwanted pregnancy complains that she is terribly depressed and cannot concentrate on her studies or her work. Thus we sacrifice the life of a human being for the inconvenience of merely nine months of pregnancy. If the woman does not want to raise the baby, she has the option of giving it up for adoption. This is evil, and 3ABN is duty bound to disclose this to those considering joining a church that is neutral on a serious moral issue. The church is not neutral on other moral issues like burglary, the sexual abuse of children, rape, or stealing. How can it be neutral on murder? I believe that our church should get completely out of the abortion business and let the non-Adventist do the killing if they so desire. Our Adventist Church took a moral detour four decades ago, and it is high time for us to repent and ask God for forgiveness. By its silence, 3ABN is complicit in this evil.
LifeHiscost Posted September 10, 2016 Posted September 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Nic Samojluk said: LifeHiscost, Thanks for quoting what I said about the way 3ABN presents the three angel’s message. My opinion is that they do it quite well; nevertheless, it needs to be improved. Our Adventist Church took a moral detour four decades ago, and it is high time for us to repent and ask God for forgiveness. By its silence, 3ABN is complicit in this evil. I read your full discourse this morning re: the failures of 3ABN and the Seventh Day Adventist medical institutions, after I had had morning worship and normal reading of the Scriptures. You'll forgive me if I believe that my beginning prayer was answered, giving expression to the condition of each and everyone of us if we are to look with the hope of ever entering into the heavenly home. That is not to say you may have spoken the truth according to the accusations, however when I reach the place where I no longer need Jesus to cover my daily failures with His shed blood, then I will feel free to make plain to everyone else who is striving to do well, just where they need the most corrections. I am aware of one body of believers who believe the life of the adult should be sacrificed before the unborn, and that may be so in certain cases. But until I am in their place, it is not up to me to define their unqualified responsibility. 16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance....Matthew 2 16For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. ...John 3 1Do not judge, or you will be judged. 2For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.… Matthew 7 …10Then Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are your accusers? Has no one condemned you?” 11“No one, Lord.” she answered. “Neither do I condemn you. Jesus declared. “Now” go and sin no more.....John 8 Again, that is not saying there is not time when one needs to be forthright. 24“Get behind Me Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me. For you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”...Matthew 16 God is Love!~Jesus saves! Lift Jesus up!!
LifeHiscost Posted September 10, 2016 Posted September 10, 2016 Just a side note if you think it might fit here. http://tinyurl.com/z2wd8ld God is Love!~Jesus saves! Lift Jesus up!!
Martn Posted September 10, 2016 Posted September 10, 2016 On 9/4/2016 at 7:24 AM, hch said: the book of Mormon. Just like with Sister White, if we read and listen only or mostly to what her critics say, it would be very hard for us to see how anyone could possibly have anything positive to say about her. I know this, from experience, having been on that side of the argument. Now, I do believe it is good to study the critics as well, and as much as possible try to see things from their point of view, just in case they might be right. Otherwise one ends up having a too unrealistic and overinflated opinion of one's heroes, which can make them seem as silly as Santa Claus to most folks. Whenever I do this, I set my hero completely aside for the entire time I'm reading up on the opposition. I don't go back and forth between them, I concentrate entirely on the subject at hand. Often, for awhile at least, I even end up agreeing with the opposition, and actually find it hard to believe I ever saw things differently. And then I reverse the process. Usually (but not always) ending up completely back in the camp where I started. After having done this a few times, sometimes more than a few times, it eventually becomes clear who has the strongest case. Or, who has no case at all. If anyone cares to give this process an honest try, here is my favorite Mormon website: http://www.jefflindsay.com/ Including some of my favorite Mormon pages: http://www.jefflindsay.com/BMEvidences.shtml http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/index.html You may discover, if you dare, a whole other side to the story few could ever even imagine possible! (Of course, the unOfficial Worldwide Adventist Forum is my favorite website of all!) 2 Samuel 24:1-- The LORD moved David to number Israel. 1 Chronicles 21:1-- SATAN moved David to number Israel.
Martn Posted September 10, 2016 Posted September 10, 2016 The BOM is what first convinced me, absolutely convinced me, a Jew, that Jesus was and is a real, historical, and miraculous person. 2 Samuel 24:1-- The LORD moved David to number Israel. 1 Chronicles 21:1-- SATAN moved David to number Israel.
Nic Samojluk Posted September 10, 2016 Posted September 10, 2016 3 hours ago, LifeHiscost said: I read your full discourse this morning re: the failures of 3ABN and the Seventh Day Adventist medical institutions, after I had had morning worship and normal reading of the Scriptures. You'll forgive me if I believe that my beginning prayer was answered, giving expression to the condition of each and everyone of us if we are to look with the hope of ever entering into the heavenly home. That is not to say you may have spoken the truth according to the accusations, however when I reach the place where I no longer need Jesus to cover my daily failures with His shed blood, then I will feel free to make plain to everyone else who is striving to do well, just where they need the most corrections. I am aware of one body of believers who believe the life of the adult should be sacrificed before the unborn, and that may be so in certain cases. But until I am in their place, it is not up to me to define their unqualified responsibility. 16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance....Matthew 2 16For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. ...John 3 1Do not judge, or you will be judged. 2For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.… Matthew 7 …10Then Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are your accusers? Has no one condemned you?” 11“No one, Lord.” she answered. “Neither do I condemn you. Jesus declared. “Now” go and sin no more.....John 8 Again, that is not saying there is not time when one needs to be forthright. 24“Get behind Me Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me. For you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”...Matthew 16 God is Love!~Jesus saves! You wrote: "1Do not judge, or you will be judged. 2For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.… Matthew 7 Here is my biblical view of judging: Judging According to the Bible With that statement you have condemned all the court decisions made by the court system, all the verdicts of history, and all the rulings of the highest courts of the land What the Bible condemns is not the acts of judging, but rather wrong judgments. New International Version (©2011)“Do not show partiality in judging;” [Deut. 1:17] King James BibleDo ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Do not forget that we are talking about the church justifying the violation of one of God's Commandments, the one designed to protect the right to life of every human being, including you and myself. If the church justifies murder, then what do we need the church for? Like those who killed Jesus, we pretend to honor sacred time--the Sabbath--but are telling the world that we are neutral regarding the sacredness of human life. When the Apostle Paul discovered that Peter--the president of the General Conference at the time--was not living according to the Gospel, he publicly reprimanded him. Did he sin in judging and condemning the hypocrisy of Peter? John the Baptist publicly condemned the sin of King Herod. Did he sin in doing this? Likewise, Elijah the prophet, condemned the actions of King Ahab. Should he have conducted himself with more respect towards the king? My view is that are times when we must speak clearly and without hesitation. We must emulate the testimony of Jesus, the Faithful Witness, who described each of the seven churches including their individual merits and shortcomings. If we remain silent on this life and death issue, God will--and he is actually doing this already--use non Adventists to proclaim the permanence and validity of his Law. The message of the three angel's of Revelation will be proclaimed regardless of what we Adventist do. Yes, God is love! but beware of the "wrath of the lamb"! Martn 1
hch Posted September 11, 2016 Author Posted September 11, 2016 The asides gave us a chance to vent our points of view. But the BOM, abortion, and 3ABN's short comings should be separate topics if you please. His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com
LifeHiscost Posted September 11, 2016 Posted September 11, 2016 1 hour ago, hch said: The asides gave us a chance to vent our points of view. But the BOM, abortion, and 3ABN's short comings should be separate topics if you please. Which is, Are the three Angels' Messages Dead or Alive? And the answer is no and yes, if one wishes the answers to be succinct. To elaborate God sent the message and this is at least part of His response. …10"For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, And do not return there without watering the earth And making it bear and sprout, And furnishing seed to the sower and bread to the eater; 11So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it....Isaiah 55 God is Love!~Jesus saves! Lift Jesus up!!
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