Are the three Angels' Messages Dead or Alive?

[CoAspen]

I wonder why the chicken crossed the road......

[phkrause]

12 hours ago, CoAspen said:

I wonder why the chicken crossed the road......

I imagine it had something to do with Obama being out of town!!!! No!!

[CoAspen]

[hch]

I've heard on the news that President Obama is scheduled to return to DC on January 2, 2017.  

When he returns, as I currently understand the prophecy, he will move against the covenant, America's Constitution. With our system of government as it is, the closer to the inauguration the less likely the Supreme Court would have an opportunity to interfere with his third term. But as I continue to sound the warning, I am watching for to see how it will all come together.

President Obama is the last American President that I have been able to identify in Daniel and Revelation's prophecies. And as I understand the prophecies, he will be President when Christ Comes in glory.

The more I study the prophecies, the more I am convinced that my partial understanding is correct as far as it goes.

 

[phkrause]

14 hours ago, hch said:

President Obama is the last American President that I have been able to identify in Daniel and Revelation's prophecies. And as I understand the prophecies, he will be President when Christ Comes in glory.

Well than Jesus has very little time! He has about 23 days to go!!

[hch]

10 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

Well than Jesus has very little time! He has about 23 days to go!!

 

10 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

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Christendom may claim God's promise through His servant Paul

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Romans 8:1  There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

Rest in Peace

 

[hch]

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Romans 8:1  There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

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“Daniel is standing in his lot and in his place. The prophecies of Daniel and of John are to be understood. They interpret each other. They give to the world truths which everyone should understand. These prophecies are to be witnesses in the world. By their fulfillment in these last days they will explain themselves” (7BC 949.6).

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“The things of this world are about to close... We can see the waymarks... If our minds are active and so consecrated to God that we can understand His workings, we can know just where we are in this world’s history...” (2SAT 48.5) 

President Obama has just expelled 35 Russian diplomats and their families because of allegations of Russian tampering with America's presidential election.  

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Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.  [For the Son of man is] as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:  Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.  And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch. (Mark 13:33-37) 

 

 

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

a prophet is *not* correct 100% of the time if circumstances change and God elects to withhold His plans for a time... yeah, it makes the prophet look bad, but God isn't beholden to abide by our logic.

 

FWIW, Henry has been very respectful in his posts here, and has attacked no one.  He's very convinced in his heart of what he writes.  I don't know if his predictions are accurate.  But is it really necessary to make fun of Henry?  Every time I read the slams, it makes me think of how Noah was ridiculed by his neighbors because they could see no rhyme nor reason for his exhortations and actions.  I'm not saying Henry is another "Noah."  But how about cutting him some slack and see how his predictions pan out?  

[phkrause]

1 hour ago, rudywoofs (Pam) said:

FWIW, Henry has been very respectful in his posts here, and has attacked no one.  He's very convinced in his heart of what he writes.  I don't know if his predictions are accurate.  But is it really necessary to make fun of Henry?  Every time I read the slams, it makes me think of how Noah was ridiculed by his neighbors because they could see no rhyme nor reason for his exhortations and actions.  I'm not saying Henry is another "Noah."  But how about cutting him some slack and see how his predictions pan out?  

You are absolutely correct Pam. I actually was feeling kind of guilty about my post from the other day. Even though it wasn't intended to be attacking!!

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

Don't get your shorts in a wad.  

I just noticed an ongoing ridicule of Henry's ideas, and made an observation in case some might not realize how they were coming across.

Wanderer, if it pleasures you to mock Henry, then I suppose you'll keep doing so.

**back to topic**

 

[hch]

8 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

Lol. Incase you forgot your grade two geography lessons, Russia is not the same country as Iran. Are you by chance "expanding" your prophesying. incase the one re Obama and Iran does not play out. Keep in mind that a prophet is correct 100 % of the time.

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Da 11:44  But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

 

[Samie]

Hi hch;

Since in your view Dan 11:21ff were already, and are being, fulfilled, then the verses previous to v21 had already found fulfilment.

I'd like to know from your perspective how the complete destruction of the glorious land in Dan 11:16 found fulfilment:

KJV Daniel 11:16 But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed

I believe the "glorious land" is Israel.

KJV Ezekiel 20:6   In the day that I lifted up mine hand unto them, to bring them forth of the land of Egypt into a land that I had espied for them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands:

[hch]

On 12/27/2016 at 10:32 AM, CoAspen said:

I wonder why the chicken crossed the road......

"You don't want to know the Truth, you want to know the truth as you understand it.

God from 'Conversations with God'

The pungent signature line says more than the question. If the chicken had a mind to cross the road, it should beware or two way traffic that can get it coming or going. 

[hch]

On 12/31/2016 at 2:37 AM, Samie said:

Hi hch;

Since in your view Dan 11:21ff were already, and are being, fulfilled, then the verses previous to v21 had already found fulfilment.

I'd like to know from your perspective how the complete destruction of the glorious land in Dan 11:16 found fulfilment:

KJV Daniel 11:16 But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed

I believe the "glorious land" is Israel.

KJV Ezekiel 20:6   In the day that I lifted up mine hand unto them, to bring them forth of the land of Egypt into a land that I had espied for them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands:

Thanks Samie,

After Daniel narrates for a while, he stops and explains some facets of the narration that he had glossed over initially. Daniel 11 begins as chronological and becomes a concurrent narration. And in light of Revelation 10's command "thou must prophesy again" much of the history in Daniel 11 repeats

The rest of your question would open the discussion in ways that I do no have time to address right now. If you would like to read my current book that has the answers to you  questions, send me a pm and I will give your info on how to get  a copy.

 

[Samie]

In my opinion, UNLESS and UNTIL the present day Israel gets destroyed in a war, the events in Dan 11:16 and onwards are yet to be fulfilled.

[CoAspen]

Still...the question is not answered as to why the chicken did what it did...circumfenting the question, last time I remember, didn't get me a pass by the teacher!!

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

15 minutes ago, CoAspen said:

why the chicken did what it did

I heard it was on a scouting mission for the flock... Why it was spotted as it crossed the road remains a mystery, though Colonel Sanders thinks perhaps the endless search for the secret 11 herbs and spices caused panic in said chicken, whereupon it lost focus of the mission.

[hch]

12 hours ago, Samie said:

In my opinion, UNLESS and UNTIL the present day Israel gets destroyed in a war, the events in Dan 11:16 and onwards are yet to be fulfilled.

We must Keep our eyes on Jesus. Israel Has rejected Jesus.

[hch]

5 hours ago, CoAspen said:

Still...the question is not answered as to why the chicken did what it did...circumfenting the question, last time I remember, didn't get me a pass by the teacher!!

Chickens do not know anything about the Three Angels' Messages no matter what side of the road they are on.

[Samie]

3 hours ago, hch said:

We must Keep our eyes on Jesus. Israel Has rejected Jesus.

Israelites are Jews, and Jesus is a Jew.

Keeping our eyes on Jesus is keeping our eyes on a Jew Who referred us to Daniel, another Jew, in the issue of the abomination of desolation, the setting up of which will trigger the great tribulation or time of trouble, which I believe will find fulfillment shortly before the the 2nd Coming of our Lord.

[CoAspen]

Actually, it does.

There is no one correct answer to my question. The chicken is simply on the other side of the road for whatever reason. The question is not how it got there, just that it is there and why. It just is! Such is the same with much of life. My reply was to the observation about the pres being on vacation and when he would return. What did that all mean? Well, it just might be that.....or it might mean that....etc....etc. A vacation is a vacation!

determinismnounPhilosophy the doctrine that all events, including human action, are ultimately determined by causes external to the will.There seems to be a lot of the above going on in the discussion.

[CoAspen]

We all have our opinions! Ya, word definitions do get in the way at times....wouldn't want to be on the same page now, would we!!

Some get it, others may not!!!

[CoAspen]

 Just because some will weave events in life into more sinister things or fullfilment to prophecies is not unusual or unheard of. Anything can be woven together but that does not mean it has validity. That is what conspiracies are made of.  Some things are just what they are, a part of life. 

What do Obama conspiracies, or for that fact any other, have to do with 3 Angels message being alive or dead?

Been an SDA all my life, predictions have come and gone, many, many times. Perhaps we are looking at the wrong things/conclusions?  Instead of always looking for new interpretations, new theories, perhaps what God wanted was for people to be ready at any time and live their lives in accordance with the way He treated us and others. 

[phkrause]

5 hours ago, CoAspen said:

 Just because some will weave events in life into more sinister things or fullfilment to prophecies is not unusual or unheard of. Anything can be woven together but that does not mean it has validity. That is what conspiracies are made of.  Some things are just what they are, a part of life. 

What do Obama conspiracies, or for that fact any other, have to do with 3 Angels message being alive or dead?

Been an SDA all my life, predictions have come and gone, many, many times. Perhaps we are looking at the wrong things/conclusions?  Instead of always looking for new interpretations, new theories, perhaps what God wanted was for people to be ready at any time and live their lives in accordance with the way He treated us and others. 

Exactly CoAspen!!!

[hch]

8 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

(and not on Obama either...or does Jesus need his help?)  The Bible tells us that not all of Israel has rejected Jesus. hch; I appreciate all that you post, and your posts have challenged me and made me dig deeper. I am glad you have chosen not to take anything personally. Have a good day.

If Jesus did not want us to understand how Obama fit into Bible prophecy in relation to the Mark of the Beast in the Third Angel's Message, Jesus would not have explained Obama when Daniel stands in his lot in the Revelation.

It sounds good to hear you say that you look deeper now, but it saddens me that you have not found any more truth in the word that I have been blessed to share with you. 

I'm just a messenger. I take everything to Jesus and leave it there. He can change a heart of stone and He knows our hearts and His witness is true.