Are the three Angels' Messages Dead or Alive?

[JoeMo]

1 minute ago, hch said:

And knowing that Barack Obama is the man heading the image beast when Christ Comes, helps us not to be deceived when the endtime events are upon us. God

"Knowing"?  Really?  You KNOW that Obama is the man heading the image, or do you simply "believe" this?  I would say use of the word "knowing" is quite presumptuous and prideful.  We never "know" until after the fact. The results of yesterdays election cast doubt on your "prophecy" (at least for me).

[hch]

2 minutes ago, JoeMo said:

"Knowing"?  Really?  You KNOW that Obama is the man heading the image, or do you simply "believe" this?  I would say use of the word "knowing" is quite presumptuous and prideful.  We never "know" until after the fact. The results of yesterdays election cast doubt on your "prophecy" (at least for me).

Jesus once asked --how readest thou. From almost 20 years of study, that how i read it. And I can only speak for myself because Jesus probably won't ask me how you read it (he'll ask you that). 

[Gregory Matthews]

One point:

Donald Trump will not be the President of the United States until the Electoral College meets and elects him to that position. 

In the United States the people do not directly elect the President.  The Electoral College does that.

As a matter of fact, Hillary Clinton probably got as much as 2,000,000 more popular votes than did Donald Trump.  But, she lost the position due the fact that she failed to reach the required 270 delegates to the Electoral College, while Donald Trump exceeded that number.

So,  wait until the Electoral College meets and elects Donald Trump, which they will likely do. before you say that he is President.

Even after Trump is so elected, he will not assume the powers of the President until the inauguration on January 20, 2017.

 

[debbym]

will the electoral college  revote?  i never heard this.  i thought after they voted in the general election it was a done deal.  With His trump university legal challenges would it be too late to take this into consideration?

[Gregory Matthews]

Facts about the Electoral College:

1) The Electoral College meets and votes on the 2nd Wednesday in December, but not as one body.  Each State holds it meeting with the Electors from  that State.  Results of each vote are then certified and sent to proper place for counting. 

2)  Presently there are 538 members of the Electoral College.

3)  Presently there are 270 votes required for the Electoral College to elect the President and the Vice President.

4)  If the Electoral College fails to elect the President/Vice-President, the vote goes to the House of Representatives which votes on each position separately.

5)  If the House of Representative fails to elect the Vice President, the vote goes to the Senate.

6)  As of a 1952 decision of the US Supreme court, the individual States are allowed to require an Elector to pledge to vote for a specific candidate.  However, under Federal law that Elector is not required to so vote.

7)  In 2000, as  in earlier times an Elector did not vote for the person that the Elector had pledged to vote for.

8)   The 12th & 14th Amendments to the Constitution are involved in the operation of the Electoral College.

 

[Gregory Matthews]

Debbym:  State law probably required an Elector to vote as pledged.  Federal law does not and on rare occasions the elector has not voted as pledged.

So, one would have to persuade the individual Electors to vote for someone other than pledged.

Probably not likely to happen on the level to prevent the election of someone.

 

 

[Gregory Matthews]

Wanderer:  Many of our U.S. citizens wrongly think that they directly elect the  President and do not understand the function of the Electoral College.

 

[hch]

4 hours ago, debbym said:

will the electoral college  revote?  i never heard this.  i thought after they voted in the general election it was a done deal.  With His trump university legal challenges would it be too late to take this into consideration?

A felon cannot be President (if he should be convicted of grand larceny on multiple accounts)

[hch]

2 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

"20 years of study" does not qualify anyone to be an arbiter of truth. The word "your" is quite appropriate here. "Your" prophecy is not the same as is Jesus' prophecy.  Acts 13:6 notes that false prophets/prophecy will be found in the church. It further notes how the self proclaimed prophet showed himself to be "prudent" as if that would somehow bolster the credibility of his falsehoods.

It is written that many are called and few are chosen. I wonder if that has anything to do with rightly dividing the word?

And I want to thank Gregory. I had assumed that the war with Iran would be the catalyst to keep Obama in office, but the sequencing may be reversed, i.e., Obama stays in office then comes the war. I'll study it some more. Thanks

[Gregory Matthews]

[A number of statements have been posted that are simply incorrect as to the President of the United States.  To provide an accurate perspective, I quote from the U.S. Constitution below.  In every case I cite a part of the Constitution and not the entire section.  Also,  I will insert my comments in brackets as I am doing here and end with my initials, as I am doing here--GM.]

Article I, Section 3:

The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

[If a sitting President commits a crime, Congress may impeach the President.  A President who has been impeached may also be tried and convicted in a criminal court—GM]

Article II, section 1:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

[The above consstitutes the sole requirements to be the President of the United States.  You will note that a convicted felon is NOT prohibed from beign elected as President.    Perhaps,   if such were to happen the Senate could impeach that President?  I do not know.  However, it is a stretch of the immagination to think that a convicted felon could normally be elected as President—GM.]

Article II, Section 2:

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

[The President may pardon most any person excpt for someone impeached—GM.]

Article II, Section 4:

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

[Conviction of a felony is grounds for impeachement—GM.]

[Gregory Matthews]

If you want to learn more about the Electoral College check out Article II, Section 1 of the Federal Constitution.

 

[Gregory Matthews]

It is of interest that the Trump University lawsuit is scheduled to go to trail on November 28.  See:

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-11-10/trump-university-lawsuit-heads-toward-nov-28-trial

The potential exists for there to be other litigation, possibly both civil and criminal.  If this happens, it will be interesting as it relates to a sitting President.  If so, there is a potential for impeachment.

Who knows and this involves speculation.

NOTE:  ABC News is reporting today that there are "at least 30 other lawsuits" currently in process against Trump.  And they are in court today in regard to the named lawsuit above.  This is in addition to the fact that Trump has threatened to file lawsuits against the women who have claimed he assaulted them.

 

[JoeMo]

One way hch could claim his "prophecy" is true:

All ex-Presidents are addressed as "Mr. President" for the rest of their lives.  When Obama is 90 years old (I hope time doesn't last that long), the world will still call him President Obama, even though he has been out of office for 40 years.

[Gregory Matthews]

JoMo, I will suggest that in the future some ex-Presidents will be addresses as:  Ms. (Mrs.) President.

[Gregory Matthews]

I have been informed that a President can only be impeached for conduct while President and cannot be impeached for conduct prior to becoming President.  So, if in the future Trump is found guilty in a criminal trial for conduct prior to becoming President, he could not be  impeached for that.

Interesting.

Anyway, I always want to be corrected for anything that I have said that may be incorrect.

 

[hch]

4 hours ago, Gregory Matthews said:

...a convicted felon is NOT prohibed from beign elected as President.    Perhaps,   if such were to happen the Senate could impeach that President?  I do not know.  However, it is a stretch of the immagination to think that a convicted felon could normally be elected as President—GM.

Thanks for the clarification.

If Trump were to be convicted of a felony after being elected, but before being inaugurated and his political party has a majority in Congress, they have no incentive for his impeachment. 

But the Scripture says that God puts the king in office (Presidents included). And as I read Daniel and Revelation Obama is going to be in office until Christ Comes. There are going to be some interesting events before 1 January 2017.

[hch]

1 hour ago, Gregory Matthews said:

JoMo, I will suggest that in the future some ex-Presidents will be addresses as:  Ms. (Mrs.) President.

That can only be true if BO is not the last man standing

[hch]

On 11/10/2016 at 11:30 PM, The Wanderer said:

lol...well, thats the best one yet on this thread.

The prophecies are clear.

The visions:

Daniel 2 began with the head of gold Nebuchadnezzar. It ended with the legs Nabonidus and Belshazzar being crushed by Cyrus.

Daniel 4 began with the tree that received a deadly wound that was healed before it was finally destroyed.

Daniel 7 repeated and enlarged the meaning of Daniel 2 to include kingdoms, and the fourth kingdom was in two phases pagan and papal Rome. Then Heaven explained them as kings from the earth which repeated and enlarged Daniel 2 & 7. 

The the final meaning of Daniel 2--Reagan was the head of gold, Bush I the silver, Clinton the brass, Bush II one iron leg that extended his rule into church craft and Obama the other iron leg that extended into church craft. And Christ strikes the image upon the feet when He comes.

When the kings of the earth/American Presidents are understood in Daniel 7, Daniel 8 explains that the ram's first horn is Bush I, and the one that comes up last is Bush II. The she/he goat is Bill and Hilary Clinton, Bill is the first horn that was broken and Obama is the second horn that waxes great. The notable ones were the 4 American joint chief of staff. The notable one was Colin Powell who was instrumental to place Bush II in office and then Obama.

The prophecy is clearly enlarged in Revelation. Reagan is the white horse rider. Bush I the red horse rider, Clinton rode the black horse (he left office with a surplus, but he had caused the housing bubble that burst after he left that devastated the world's economy), and the last two riders are Bush II who brought death with his statement (9/20/01) that 'the beliefs of Muslims are good' -- Muslims teach salvation apart from Christ, and the rider that brings hell that is on the same horse is Obama.

I have prayed, studied, agitated, irritated, shouted from the roof tops, posted until my fingers are tired of typing, written books, articles and cried aloud sparing not until I am resolved that time spent on Laodicea would be better spent on those in the highways and byways who don't have the blessings of Laodicea. When it was too late, Christ said the hour has come take your rest and He went to Calvary. But before it was too late He had urged the disciples to stay awake and pray. I have offered to study the prophecies in detail and answered questions that show that the questioners never looked at my previous answers, but were actively keeping me from working in other fields.

The parable of the 10 Virgins is VERY CLEAR when there is no doubt that the last call is true: Christ is at the door, 5 of the virgins are too late: they will never be ready because they slumbered and slept too long.

There is no merit in waiting to proclaim the 3rd Angel's Message until President Obama takes a third term. He is the one who will make an image to the beast and enforce the mark of the beast. The liberty that we have now is not going to last forever. What we fail to do now will be much more difficult to do then. 

My most up to date study is almost finished (2016, The Bible, The Constitution, and Obama's 3rd Term--working title) and the proof reader has the first half of Daniel 11. The balance of Daniel 11 and 12 are written and need only to be refreshed and proof read. I plan to have it done this week so I can send out the 100's of copies that have been pre-ordered. And those who have elected to take the wait and see attitude will see...

[hch]

Da 4:17  "This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever He will, and setteth up over it the basest of men."

[Gregory Matthews]

On the surface, few will probably recognize the value to the 2nd post above that HCH has made.

I will suggest that it is a post that could be translated and used in every Seminary and Biblical studies classroom in the world.  I am serious when I say so.  I consider it to be a valuable example of eisegesis.

 

 

[debbym]

18 minutes ago, Gregory Matthews said:

On the surface, few will probably recognize the value to the 2nd post above that HCH has made.

I will suggest that it is a post that could be translated and used in every Seminary and Biblical studies classroom in the world.  I am serious when I say so.  I consider it to be a valuable example of eisegesis.

 

 

from wiki         https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisegesis

Eisegesis (/ˌaɪsəˈdʒiːsəs/; from the Greek preposition εἰς "into" and the ending from the English word exegesis, Greek ἐξήγησις, which in turn is derived from ἐξηγεῖσθαι "to lead out")^[1] is the process of interpreting a text or portion of text in such a way that the process introduces one's own presuppositions, agendas, or biases into and onto the text. This is commonly referred to as reading into the text

[hch]

11 hours ago, Gregory Matthews said:

On the surface, few will probably recognize the value to the 2nd post above that HCH has made.

I will suggest that it is a post that could be translated and used in every Seminary and Biblical studies classroom in the world.  I am serious when I say so.  I consider it to be a valuable example of eisegesis.

Gregory, the example of exegesis that you erroneously label as eisegesis is evidence of the difficulty in distinguishing between truth and error. Obviously, my post is not in line with your prophetic view and thus it is relatively easy to pigeon hole it as eisegesis rather than to constructively dialog about any of the points that you may question. I consider your comment as posted to be of little value in the pursuit of truth.

[hch]

51 minutes ago, The Wanderer said:

I will be the first Canadian in line to buy a copy of the text book. Thank you for your very valuable contribution. And btw, it is not "difficult" to sort out truth from error. It is always easy to see when the Light shines. Thats why its called Light. You might want to re-consider your use of the word "difficult." as well as a few other things. Your "prophecy" is completely lost in the dark clouds of not knowing.

Note, that it says "we" not "I"  Your theories have "I" trouble.

 

Easy? wasn't so easy when Jeremiah and Hananiah disagreed way back then. But we can read the outcome and it looks east centuries later. 

[CoAspen]

Dude, you need to stop comparing yourself to all of these Biblical persons, you only lose validity. Not helpful at all.

[hch]

13 minutes ago, CoAspen said:

Dude, you need to stop comparing yourself to all of these Biblical persons, you only lose validity. Not helpful at all.

really? projecting your thoughts into my posts rather than reading them as they were written is not an effective tool for valuable communication. Good night my friend