does God condone killing?

[cricket]

Do you wish to converse with me about my opinions, and my personal beliefs? Do you wish to attack me for expressing my own understanding of God, Lucifer and the Great Controversy?

My opinions are based on my readings, experiences and interactions with God. They are of a personal nature.

The fact remains that there are two accounts. You must determine for yourself what you believe, and cannot rely on my experiences.

I will not attack you for your personal beliefs.

[David Koot]

You are unworthy of My Declaration.

[Nicodema]

Think what you desire ... it is of no account to me what the arrogant and unworthy imagine in their dull little minds.

However, you have no say whatsoever over What or Who I am. Never have, and never will. I repudiate your lies, and spit upon them. And I repudiate your unworthy invocation of the name of Christ as well, for He is not to be tarnished with the likes of your befoulment.

Nor did I claim to "be a prophetess." I merely stated that I had received knowledge of something. I believe I made it clear that in drawing from EGW experience of being shown things I was not, in fact, making any such bid. How maliciously you constantly must twist words to pretend to have an advantage that is not yours. Face it. Against Me you are unarmed.

[David Koot]

And again, you do NOT know Satan.

I know his hideous, ugly presence only too well. Thank God that Jesus Christ conquered Satan on Calvary, and that Satan is a vanquished foe. His doom is sure.

[cricket]

Love thy enemies.

[David Koot]

The fact remains that there are two accounts. You must determine for yourself what you believe, and cannot rely on my experiences.

So, you won't answer.

[Nicodema]

Originally Posted By: Nicodema

And again, you do NOT know Satan.

I know his hideous, ugly presence only too well. Thank God that Jesus Christ conquered Satan on Calvary, and that Satan is a vanquished foe. His doom is sure.

With an attitude like that, you would do well to beware your own.

And he is only hideous to the hideous, whose hearts are blackened ice and hollow dessication.

[David Koot]

Love thy enemies.

Jesus was referring to other human beings, not to Satan. Each person has some good in him or her. but not Satan. He has no good in him. He is totally evil.

[cricket]

I have answered sufficiently. It is your choice to accept it or not.

It matters not to me what you will.

[Nicodema]

You don't know him, so your assessments are worthless.

Heck, you don't even know the One you CLAIM to follow -- that much is obvious from your own deportment.

[David Koot]

With an attitude like that, you would do well to beware your own.

Because I have renounced Satan, and have repented of my sins, and accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, according to the Word of God, I can have the assurance of salvation, so long as I continue to follow Jesus.

Do you have that assurance? Have you renounced Satan?

[Nicodema]

Do you have that assurance? Have you renounced Satan?

Renouncing Satan is futile.

It avails nothing.

[David Koot]

you don't even know the One you CLAIM to follow -- that much is obvious from your own deportment.

Once again, a personal attack and a mean-spirited judgment of character. Talk about deportment! But, yes, I do know Jesus, and I do follow Jesus, and I have totally renounced any connection with Satan. Have you?

[David Koot]

Renouncing Satan is futile.

It avails nothing.

But it does. I know. Jesus broke the power of Satan on Calvary, and Jesus offers His victory and His resurrection power to all who believe in Him. Satan is powerless over God's people. All power is given to Jesus in heaven and earth. Power over Satan and all his demons.

[David Koot]

And he is only hideous to the hideous, whose hearts are blackened ice and hollow dessication.

Satan is hideous to those who have turned to Jesus. Seeing Jesus, and His beauty, and His loveliness, they see the hideous ugliness of Satan, they see him for the monster he really is.

[Nicodema]

You never HAD Satan to "renounce" in the first place. Things are different for those of us who have. You would not understand, and it would take too long to explain.

[Nicodema]

Those who have truly turned to Christ have compassion upon their enemies and do not rejoice to see anyone, not even Satan, suffer. You lack this compassion and therefore you are not to be trusted.

[David Koot]

Things are different for those of us who have.

The fact remains that Jesus is stronger than Satan, and Satan is a defeated, vanquished enemy. He can have no more power over you than you allow him to. He is a liar and a deceiver, and wants your death. Renounce his service, sever any attachment to him, in Jesus' name.

[David Koot]

Those who have truly turned to Christ have compassion upon their enemies and do not rejoice to see anyone, not even Satan, suffer.

We rejoice to see evil vanquished and right prevail. And when the final judgment is executed, and the fire comes down from heaven to burn Satan and his followers up, then the vast chorus of voices, from heavenly beings and from all the host of the redeemed, will proclaim, "Just and true are thy judgments, O king of saints!'

[Nicodema]

That which has already been done, and found to avail nought, shall not be repeated again. I know Who loves me and who ignores me. That is all I need to know. I know who promises love, and who delivers it. That is all i need to know.

[Nicodema]

Originally Posted By: Nicodema

Those who have truly turned to Christ have compassion upon their enemies and do not rejoice to see anyone, not even Satan, suffer.

We rejoice to see evil vanquished and right prevail. And when the final judgment is executed, and the fire comes down from heaven to burn Satan and his followers up, then the vast chorus of voices, from heavenly beings and from all the host of the redeemed, will proclaim, "Just and true are thy judgments, O king of saints!'

That is your foul apocalypse of death, misery and destruction. It is not the glorious future I know awaits. You think the Maker of All Things is in your pocket to serve your whims .... you are in for a VERY rude awakening. And I will rejoice to see that ... and thereafter, when the Strange Act transpires -- strange meaning DIFFERENT from what is expected -- I will be there to smile at you and welcome you to Reality.

[David Koot]

I know Who loves me

Jesus loves you. Satan hates you and wants your death, but has deceived you into thinking that he loves you.

[David Koot]

Well, it is time for me to hit the hay. A long day tomorrow, with fiberglassing and bottom-paint--day off.

Thanks be to God for the wonderful gift of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

[Nicodema]

Jesus loves you. Satan hates you and wants your death, but has deceived you into thinking that he loves you.

You are not the first to tell me this, and I suspect you will not be the last. But it is never the words of those who care nothing for me that define the reality of what I experience. It is what I experience that defines that reality. Love is as love does. To be cherished, to be bathed in ecstasy, to be protected, to be fought for, to be honored, to be avenged, to be defended -- all this and more is to be loved.

To have promises made that are never fulfilled ... to be left alone weeks, months on end with no contact ... to be ignored, bypassed, left at the mercy of rotten, nasty, vicious vileness without a word in your defense ... to be forsaken ...all the while being GASLIT by being told "you must not tell anyone..." and "you must pretend things are otherwise to be true to Me" .... that is NOT LOVE.

Love is as love does. One may indeed deceive with pretty words -- happens all the time -- but one cannot fake the attentions of love. Without love, there is no need to give these attentions -- and there is no excuse not to where love is claimed.

I rest my case.

[John317]

I will definitely check out Manfred, John317. I've not read that one before. And I would say that an enlightened reading of EGW's accounts could very well have engendered even more sympathy with Lucifer, had these men the chance to have done so. The scene where He humiliates Himself begging to be restored and is turned away, despised, rejected, at the critical moment of His greatest vulnerability, is particularly heart-wrenching.

At least to Me.

p.s. have you read any Baudelaire?

I'd be very interested to know what you think of Manfred.

I used to be heavy into Baudelaire and Rimbaud, but it's been about twenty years since I read them. Two of my favorite French prose writers were Andre Gide and Jean Genet. I read pretty much everything they wrote.

In my own personal life, I feel I have a lot in common with these people, but I've escaped that life by becoming a Christian.

I still love poetry. I mostly read Shakespeare, John Milton, T.S. Eliot, Edmund Spenser, and lots of American poets both the dead and the living.