does God condone killing?

[David Koot]

Originally Posted By: verteidiger

David, some would say that ex-Mrs. Koot is telling the truth about reality, and that Mr. Koot is a self-serving liar. And some, of course, would argue contrariwise.

Whose book would you have me read?

Obviously the one he wrote ... apparently that's the only one that's the "truth". Didn't you know? David Koot is the final arbiter of all truth on this board and in the world.

*barf*

Ahem.... NOT.

How disappointing that both of you must resort to such personal attacks.

[cricket]

It is analogy. Getting to something that perhaps you can relate to.

[David Koot]

So just do what everyone else does, David ... ignore me, overlook me, dismiss me, invalidate me

I wouldn't know about that. All I do know is that if someone claims to have been transported through time and space, and received visions, then if such a claim is to be taken seriously, it must be analyzed and evaluated.

[Nicodema]

I am not interested in you analyzing or evaluating me. If I wish such a thing I shall obtain it from an UNBIASED source. Good day.

[Nicodema]

It is analogy. Getting to something that perhaps you can relate to.

It's lost on him. He's blind to anything but what he wishes to see.

[David Koot]

It is analogy. Getting to something that perhaps you can relate to.

Apples and oranges. God is good, truthful and puts others first. Satan is evil, a liar and a megalomaniac.

As for events in one's personal life, that is a whole different question--as you yourself should know.

[Nicodema]

And what is your place? And why did you capitalize "Me" when referring to yourself?

WHAT DO YOU CARE?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Nicodema]

Originally Posted By: verteidiger

It is analogy. Getting to something that perhaps you can relate to.

Apples and oranges. God is good, truthful and puts others first. Satan is evil, a liar and a megalomaniac.

As for events in one's personal life, that is a whole different question--as you yourself should know.

[Nicodema]

You have NO PLACE to speak of those you do not know.

[David Koot]

Quote:

You, mortal, shall NOT dictate to Me Learn your place ... BENEATH MY HEEL!

I find it very interesting, Nico, that you deleted the words 'mortal' and 'BENEATH MY HEEL.' Apparently you edited your post after I started responding to it. But you still haven't given an answer: What do you think your 'place' is? And, are you NOT a mortal? And why did you captitalize "Me" when referring to yourself? As for my place being 'beneath your heel' . . . aside from other considerations, exactly whom do you believe yourself to be?

[cricket]

You're missing the point, David. It is not a perfect analogy (no analogies are), but it does serve it's purpose.

God, an observer, has written the Bible. He is the author of the text. He makes the claim that His word is truth.

Lucifer is another observer. He has claims to make as well.

Two books. Two points of view. Two recorded, observed accounts of perceived reality.

[David Koot]

You're missing the point, David. It is not a perfect analogy (no analogies are), but it does serve it's purpose.

God, an observer, has written the Bible. He is the author of the text. He makes the claim that His word is truth.

Lucifer is another observer. He has claims to make as well.

Two books. Two points of view. Two recorded, observed accounts of perceived reality.

I appreciate the improved civility of your post here. But the fact is that one account, God's account, is truthful, while Satan's account is a pack of lies. Or, do you disagree with that statement? Are you suggesting that Satan's claims should be given some weight?

[Nicodema]

I find it very interesting, Nico, that...Apparently you edited your post after I started responding to it.

(1) considering that post was edited seconds after it went up, you must be pretty trigger happy to have already begun responding to it.

(2) considering that post was obviously edited, why do you belabor questions about the original? what do you care what I think or believe? You have no love in your heart for me. You have no compassion toward me. You have no understanding of my heart, my mind, or the world I inhabit. So why should I share anything so personal with you?

[cricket]

I am making a statement of necessity for all able-minded thinkers.

The fact is only that there are two accounts. Consider what you will. That is a decision you must make; it cannot be forced upon you.

[David Koot]

WHAT DO YOU CARE?

Well, your answers may provide a key to understanding certain perspectives and behaviors. Let's get the truth out in the open.

[Nicodema]

And what truth is that? And what, precisely, is YOUR interest therein?

[David Koot]

The fact is only that there are two accounts.

But you haven't answered the question. Do you disagree with the statmeent that Satan is a liar, and that Satan's account contains lies? Do you, or don't you?

[Nicodema]

But you haven't answered the question. Do you disagree with the statmeent that Satan is a liar, and that Satan's account contains lies? Do you, or don't you?

You don't even know WHAT Satan's account IS! What consummate arrogance, that you imagine you may pass judgment on the contents of something to which you have not been privy!

[David Koot]

And what truth is that? And what, precisely, is YOUR interest therein?

Let's get the truth out in the open, about who you claim to be. Do you consider yourself a Deity (with the initial cap, 'Me' and with the place of mere 'mortals' to be beneath your heel?) Or perhaps, royalty? How about it? You said earlier that you are very honest. Then be honest about yourself. Why are you hedging? Who are you?

[Nicodema]

Apples and oranges. God is good, truthful and puts others first. Satan is evil, a liar and a megalomaniac.

According to one side of the story.

[Nicodema]

Let's get the truth out in the open, about who you claim to be. Do you consider yourself a Deity (with the initial cap, 'Me' and with the place of mere 'mortals' to be beneath your heel?) Or perhaps, royalty? How about it? You said earlier that you are very honest. Then be honest about yourself. Why are you hedging? Who are you?

You are unworthy of My Declaration. Honest I am. A caster of pearls beneath swine's feet, I am not.

Those who in love and trust demonstrate themselves worthy are permitted to know the answers to such questions. You have no ground to even approach Me with them, let alone demand an account.

[David Koot]

You don't even know WHAT Satan's account IS!

I don't need to know his account, because I know he is a liar and totally evil and corrupt. Anything put out by Satan would be propaganda on a level that would make Goebbels look like a choirboy.

[David Koot]

According to one side of the story.

Smoke 'em out, indeed. That is PRECISELY what I had perceived your position to be.

[Nicodema]

Originally Posted By: Nicodema

You don't even know WHAT Satan's account IS!

I don't need to know his account, because I know he is a liar and totally evil and corrupt. Anything put out by Satan would be propaganda on a level that would make Goebbels look like a choirboy.

Such is the charge laid by those who operate from bias and ignorance. What are you so afraid of, if Truth can withstand free and open inquiry? or do you not believe Truth can so withstand?

And again, you do NOT know Satan. You only know what you are told to believe about him. Therefore your assessments are worthless.

[Nicodema]

Originally Posted By: Nicodema

According to one side of the story.

Smoke 'em out, indeed. That is PRECISELY what I had perceived your position to be.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em ... I am not ashamed of my position -- though again a disclaimer must be issued, that it most likely bears no resemblance to what you construe of it.