does God condone killing?

[David Koot]

Judging by your posts, I'd say you know neither.

True to your usual style, you are once again attempting to turn this discussion into a personal attack.

[Nicodema]

do you contend that ... Satan's 'perspective' should be given weight? Is that what you are saying?

Most assuredly. If it is not considered as it really is, without preexisting bias and prejudice, then a genuine decision in the Great Controversy has not actually been made.

Look at it this way. If there is a dispute over whether Red X is better than Blue Y, and someone ONLY presents you with Gold Z while TELLING you Gold Z IS Blue Y AND telling you anyone who says otherwise is lying so don't listen to them ... and you therefore choose Red X .... you have never actually made a choice between Red X and Blue Y. You have only followed the dictates of fear and bigotry.

[Nicodema]

Originally Posted By: Nicodema

Judging by your posts, I'd say you know neither.

True to your usual style, you are once again attempting to turn this discussion into a personal attack.

And this statement from you is different ... how? You have done nothing but lie against me, make accusations against me, slander and accuse me, and call me all sorts of names since this discussion began. And now when I speak the truth you accuse ME of attack? That's funny, David .... real funny.

[David Koot]

By firsthand experience and by vision.

Who do you claim gave you the vision? And by what medium do you claim to have been transported to that point in space and time, to have that 'firsthand experience'? Do you suggest that God transported you there? That God gave you the vision?

[David Koot]

You have done nothing but lie against me, make accusations against me, slander and accuse me, and call me all sorts of names since this discussion began.

And, once again, true to your usual style, you appear to be taking as personal offense, serious questions about what you claim with authority to have happened.

[Nicodema]

What answer would you have me to give? If I say by God, you will simply argue against me and claim I am lying, that God cannot, would not, or would never give such an experience. If I say by Satan, you will claim it is invalid because "Satan is a liar". No matter how I answer, you have a prefabricated bias ready to attack and dismiss me, and deny me any validity whatsoever ... so what the %*$ is the point of even answering you?

[David Koot]

If it is not considered as it really is, without preexisting bias and prejudice, then a genuine decision in the Great Controversy has not actually been made.

You have only followed the dictates of fear and bigotry.

Or, perhaps the reality that Satan is a liar.

[Nicodema]

Originally Posted By: Nicodema

If it is not considered as it really is, without preexisting bias and prejudice, then a genuine decision in the Great Controversy has not actually been made.

You have only followed the dictates of fear and bigotry.

Or, perhaps the reality that Satan is a liar.

No. The dictates of fear and bigotry is all that it is, because no real choice has been made between Red X and REAL Blue Y. Gold Z is not Blue Y. No real, valid choice has been made. Your belief that it has is a sham, a castle built on shifting sands that will fall into the sea. Mark my words ... I will laugh at your arrogance when the seas rise to swallow you.

[Nicodema]

Originally Posted By: Nicodema

You have done nothing but lie against me, make accusations against me, slander and accuse me, and call me all sorts of names since this discussion began.

And, once again, true to your usual style, you appear to be taking as personal offense, serious questions about what you claim with authority to have happened.

And once again YOU are GIVING serious offense and then backing out with a little boyish wide eyed innocence as though you have done nothing and poor, poor David is yet again the victim here, when the attack has all been from you. Shall I quote you on it? Words like liar, monster, egomaniac........

[Nicodema]

By the way please let me know when you are finished and plan to find other amusements elsewhere, because I was having a nice conversation with a nice CHRISTIAN gentleman named John317 which I would very much like to resume at his convenience without you butting your bullish head in the way.

[David Koot]

What answer would you have me to give?

The answer which you believe actually occurred. You have, in these recent posts, made quite some claims-to have been somehow transported back to prehistoric, extraterrestrial scenes, and been given visions. If you say that God transported you, and gave you the visions, then by all means they should be given due weight and compared with Scripture.

If, on the other hand, you say that Satan did it, then we know what Satan is like, and that he is a liar, and that his m.o. is to gain sympathizers in rebellion against God.

So, which is it?

[David Koot]

the attack has all been from you. Shall I quote you on it? Words like liar, monster, egomaniac........

Ahh, that I called Satan a liar, a monster, an egomaniac. Yes, indeed, I did. Do you find that offensiveZ?

[David Koot]

By the way please let me know when you are finished and plan to find other amusements elsewhere, because I was having a nice conversation with a nice CHRISTIAN gentleman named John317 which I would very much like to resume at his convenience without you butting your bullish head in the way.

Now, let me see, this thread was started on a public forum by someone else, several persons have contributed . . . and now you want to be left alone to carry on a discussion with one individual? Then do so by PM. this is a public thread on a public forum.

[Nicodema]

Originally Posted By: Nicodema

the attack has all been from you. Shall I quote you on it? Words like liar, monster, egomaniac........

Ahh, that I called Satan a liar, a monster, an egomaniac. Yes, indeed, I did. Do you find that offensiveZ?

I most certainly did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cricket]

David, some would say that ex-Mrs. Koot is telling the truth about reality, and that Mr. Koot is a self-serving liar. And some, of course, would argue contrariwise.

Whose book would you have me read?

[Nicodema]

Now, let me see, this thread was started on a public forum by someone else, several persons have contributed . . . and now you want to be left alone to carry on a discussion with one individual? Then do so by PM. this is a public thread on a public forum.

Yes but you rudely interrupted by hijacking a part of the conversation I was having with someone else. It's one thing to post to the thread on the subject -- that is everyone's right, like several talking in a room together but not necessarily all one to another -- but you deliberately sought to derail my conversation with John317 and butted in.

[David Koot]

I will laugh at your arrogance when the seas rise to swallow you.

No seas will rise to swallow me, because the Lord Jesus Christ is protecting me. But I will give glory to God as Satan and his followers burn in the lake of fire.

[Nicodema]

Originally Posted By: Nicodema

What answer would you have me to give?

The answer which you believe actually occurred.

And what business or concern is that of yours? I am not subject to your judgment, nor are my experiences. What consummate arrogance! Do you imagine I require your approval to pass through what I pass through, to learn what I learn, to be who I am??? What outrageous arrogance and egocentrism!!!

[Nicodema]

Originally Posted By: Nicodema

I will laugh at your arrogance when the seas rise to swallow you.

No seas will rise to swallow me, because the Lord Jesus Christ is protecting me. But I will give glory to God as Satan and his followers burn in the lake of fire.

then you'd best not glory too much, because with an attitude like that you'll be in there yourself.

[David Koot]

but you deliberately sought to derail my conversation with John317 and butted in.

You made some quite amazing claims. You should expect them to engender questions. Sorry, this thread is not a private conversation. You and John317 certainly may carry on a private conversation, however, via PM or even IM. If you choose to participate in a public discussion forum, then you should expect response, disagreement and questions.

[Nicodema]

David, some would say that ex-Mrs. Koot is telling the truth about reality, and that Mr. Koot is a self-serving liar. And some, of course, would argue contrariwise.

Whose book would you have me read?

Obviously the one he wrote ... apparently that's the only one that's the "truth". Didn't you know? David Koot is the final arbiter of all truth on this board and in the world.

*barf*

Ahem.... NOT.

What's really hilarious is he is probably sitting here right now imagining he is being "persecuted" because he is SUCH a man of God..."

*barf again*

[Nicodema]

Originally Posted By: Nicodema

but you deliberately sought to derail my conversation with John317 and butted in.

You made some quite amazing claims. You should expect them to engender questions. Sorry, this thread is not a private conversation. You and John317 certainly may carry on a private conversation, however, via PM or even IM. If you choose to participate in a public discussion forum, then you should expect response, disagreement and questions.

You shall NOT dictate to Me what I will converse upon, HOW I will converse, WHAT I shall "expect" or not, and where I may carry on My conversations. I do NOT take orders from you..... Learn your place ...

[David Koot]

And what business or concern is that of yours?

You have made extremely serious claims, with a tone of authority, as if what you assert, actually happened. And, what you say actually happened, appears different from what is found in the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy. If your claims are to be taken seriously, then they need to be evaluated.

[Nicodema]

So just do what everyone else does, David ... ignore me, overlook me, dismiss me, invalidate me .... you have no real interest in "evaluating" the veracity of anything I have to say. Your only interest is in tearing me apart and spreading lies about me. I know what I have seen and what I have experienced. I know what has been shared with me in confidence by those who have none other to hear. I know a lot more than you give me credit for. But go ahead, ply your trade here........ just don't pretend for one second you give a rat's patoot about me, my plight, or what I do or do not know. You are out for only one thing here : the advancement of David Koot.

[David Koot]

You, mortal, shall NOT dictate to Me Learn your place ... BENEATH MY HEEL!

And what is your place? And why did you capitalize "Me" when referring to yourself?