Robert Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 Originally Posted By: Robert CASEY!!! Is the above your message or not??? EVERY TONGUE WILL CONFESS HIM THROUGH CONVERSION TO HIS LOVE. That's my message. Casey Okay people, there it is! If you’re unconverted and feel your conscience pricking you to accept Jesus, forget about it. Never mind all those calls to repentance found in the Bible. After all everyone is going to miraculously change his or her hardened hearts. Funny, I can't find this lie in the Bible. Casey you need to repent of this evil work you are doing here. Robert Quote
CaseyButler Posted October 19, 2006 Author Posted October 19, 2006 Jesus: "...unless you repent you will all likewise perish." Lk 13:3,5 NKJ. Quote
Moderators Gerr Posted October 19, 2006 Moderators Posted October 19, 2006 Yep, I'm telling them & you what God said & promised: "The soul who sins shall die." ...."But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him...he shall live. Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? says the Lord God, and not that he should turn from his ways & live?...But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to9 all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live?....When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity, and dies in it, it is because of the iniquity which he has done that he dies......Therefore turn and live!" Ez 18:20-31 NKJ. "And I saw the dead, smal;l and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books....And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. [color:blue] THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire." Rev 20:12-15 NKJ Second death, got that Casey? Second death. There can be NO resurrection from this death. Believe the serpent's lie that "you will not surely die" if that is what you want, but God's word & promise is that, "if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and FIERY indignation which will DEVOUR the adversaries." Heb 10:26,27 NKJ. Gerry Quote
Administrators Naomi Posted October 19, 2006 Administrators Posted October 19, 2006 Quote: Why are you calling my attention to my own judgment of how I myself have been treated by your friends here? Am I judging them to death - am I judging them as unworthy of God as they judge me? I see no comment from you about their judgments. Why would anyone want to see God forced to kill ME based on the hatred I've been shown here, because THEY have not claimed God's Promise to save me and everyone else they are condemning by teaching people to doubt their own salvation? Casey, you have not experienced personal hatred here. What you have experienced is the concern of many who care enough to spend endless hours engaging in deadend conversations with you concerning the message of every one will be saved ... unconditionally. The, we, simply pray that you will see the message as it is and that you will not lead too many people down a path of destruction. We are responsible not only for ourselves, but for those who we lead astray. Quote: Have you ever claimed a Promise from the Bible for yourself? Or perhaps a relative or a friend? Why do you believe Robert and his friends are refusing to claim God's Promise to save other religions, other races, and all of their friends, relatives and enemies? I shall not be drawn further into this bottomless pit. However, no one is in any way saying that they refuse to claim God's promise to save others .. race, religion, etc included. However, there are basics which the individual must accept. We can not save someone else ... the person has to want to be saved; accept God as Their Lord and love and serve HIM ... not the world. Naomi Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God
David Koot Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 "I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth (in) righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear." [KJV-Bible: Isaiah 45:21-23] "But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, (As) I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God." [KJV-Bible: Romans 14:10-11] "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of (things) in heaven, and (things) in earth, and (things) under the earth; And (that) every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ (is) Lord, to the glory of God the Father." [KJV-Bible: Philippians 2:9-11] BUT EVERY TONGUE WILL CONFESS HIM THROUGH CONVERSION TO HIS LOVE. That's my message. The passages you quoted do not say that. They do not say that everyone will be converted. You have added that. As you say, that is your message. But, it is not the message of the Bible. Quote
Moderators Gerr Posted October 19, 2006 Moderators Posted October 19, 2006 Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo You quote much, but God still says: The soul who sins shall die. Ez 18:4,20. The wages of sin is death. Rom 6:23 NOT eternal life!!! Gerry "Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" [KJV-Bible: John 10:25-27] I encourage you to believe in Jesus and God's Power once more. Your friends will not help you when you stand before God Almighty, answering for these messages condemning Him to be Satan. Shame on you. Casey Now, what did your reply & quotes have to do with my post? Non sequitor! Gerry Quote
David Koot Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 Your friends will not help you when you stand before God Almighty, answering for these messages condemning Him to be Satan. Shame on you. Casey For you to make such statements is extremely inappropriate. You apparently profess to speak for God, and here you are making statements such as these. And not only in the above post. You have made extremely negative statements about a number of us, saying that we are doing satan's work. but the test of each person's teaching is God's holy Word, the Bible. Noone has a right to claim direct communication with God. No mortal may profess to speak for God. God speaks through His Word, the Bible. But as for what you have said about others, I am reminded of the words of Jesus, 'With what measure you mete, it shall be meted to you.' According to those words, then, you will be judged by the standard you have judged others by, when you, too, stand before the judgment bar of God. You should be ashamed of yourself for making such pretentious and condemning statements about others. Quote
CaseyButler Posted October 19, 2006 Author Posted October 19, 2006 Okay people, there it is! If you’re unconverted and feel your conscience pricking you to accept Jesus, forget about it. Never mind all those calls to repentance found in the Bible. After all everyone is going to miraculously change his or her hardened hearts. Funny, I can't find this lie in the Bible. Try believing in God, then looking up the references to those verses I posted that contain the Covenant of Promise to all of God's creations, that Promise you indicate you have yet to claim. I'm curious, who here is "unconverted" in your opinion? That type of unwarranted accusation against those in this forum contradicts the Apostle Paul, and is described by him as "bearing thorns and briars", who also wrote about God's sworn Oath to save the entire world: "Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed (it) `[ie. every knee, every tongue]: That by two immutable things, in which (it was) impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: Which (hope) we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil...;" [KJV-Bible: Hebrews 6:17-19] All will be saved, but believers have the comfort of having certainty of their salvation because they believe God's Oath. It is impossible for God to lie about His Oath, the Covenant of Promise that reassures all saints who choose to believe. That Oath and Promise are the sure and steadfast anchor that convinces those who choose to believe of their own salvation and eternal life. After believing, how they deal with sin has nothing to do with other people who still doubt God's Power to blot out their sin. Those who don't believe have no such certainty from the Oath of God. They believe they will perish and never live again because they don't know the Power and Truth of God. People who wickedly pick away at that certainty all contradict God's intention in comforting those who believe in Him. They try to introduce doubt into other people's faith in God's Power and Goodness. Tell me, where is your strong consolation from God's sworn Oath to save all people - especially those who believe - which I have pointed out to you many times already? If you doubt your salvation or mine or any other saints' because of your lack of faith in God's Oath to Himself, which as Paul points out above it is "impossible for God to lie", isn't the evil doctrine a doctrine you have fallen into? Why do would you want to make others doubt God? The only way any of us can have strong consolation to anchor the soul, both sure and steadfast, is to accept God as Truth, and Christ's sacrifice as all that is needed to save all men. "For it pleased (the Father) that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, (I say), whether (they be) things in earth, or things in heaven. And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in (your) mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:" [KJV-Bible: Colossians 1:19-22] God's Love and Christ's sacrifice are the believer's assurance. All things are reconciled, but those who BELIEVE are supposed to be comforted by that belief in God, showing His Mercy to others, seeking Him in Love to the uttermost. Consequently the man-made "justification of SELF by faith" legalism is no different from the Pharisees' "justification of SELF by works" legalism. It defeats God's purpose in comforting His saints. It is only useful for casting doubt about our own salvation and the salvation of those whose beliefs we question constantly. Constant chipping away at the beliefs of others indicates a lack of confidence in the Promises of God or Christ. Why do people do that to one another? Why not come back to the certainty God offers all saints by HIS Power, and stop trying to justify ourselves before Him by spreading mistrust of Him! Paul says believers have CERTAINTY. He says they ENCOURAGE one another. He says they do not set STUMBLINGBLOCKS before one another. May you return to the Power of God's Promises, Robert. You will be certain in Him instead of uncertain in your SELF. As for your continuous accusations that I am speaking evil, they only make me rejoice because Christ also was so designated. "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe." [KJV-Bible: 1 Timothy 4:10] God bless you, Casey Quote
CaseyButler Posted October 19, 2006 Author Posted October 19, 2006 "The soul who sins shall die." ...."But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him...he shall live. Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? says the Lord God, and not that he should turn from his ways & live?...But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to9 all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live?....When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity, and dies in it, it is because of the iniquity which he has done that he dies......Therefore turn and live!" Ez 18:20-31 NKJ. Yep, I'm telling them & you what God said & promised... Quote
Moderators Gerr Posted October 19, 2006 Moderators Posted October 19, 2006 You have managed to call black white and white black. You have made God's word of none effect by spiritualizing away the plainest statements, therefore useless as standard of doctrine except as YOU interpret it. If you mislead someone with this demonic doctrine, may God have mercy on you. Gerry Quote
Robert Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned! Quote
CaseyButler Posted October 20, 2006 Author Posted October 20, 2006 Casey, you have not experienced personal hatred here. What you have experienced is the concern of many who care enough to spend endless hours engaging in deadend conversations with you concerning the message of every one will be saved ... unconditionally. Quote
CaseyButler Posted October 20, 2006 Author Posted October 20, 2006 Originally Posted By: CaseyButler BUT EVERY TONGUE WILL CONFESS HIM THROUGH CONVERSION TO HIS LOVE. That's my message. The passages you quoted do not say that. They do not say that everyone will be converted. You have added that. As you say, that is your message. But, it is not the message of the Bible. Bring forth your scriptural proofs, David, I'll be happy to respond to them. What does "every knee bowing" and "every tongue confessing" mean to you? Forcing confession of Love by water boarding and electrical shock? Are you converted completely? Jesus said He taught people in parables so they would NOT be converted completely... That includes us since the Gospel writers only explained two of His simplest parables to us. Why did Jesus not want us to convert completely yet? What do you suppose He is waiting for? Casey Quote
CaseyButler Posted October 20, 2006 Author Posted October 20, 2006 Originally Posted By: CaseyButler "Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" [KJV-Bible: John 10:25-27'] I encourage you to believe in Jesus and God's Power once more. Your friends will not help you when you stand before God Almighty, answering for these messages condemning Him to be Satan. Shame on you. Casey Now, what did your reply & quotes have to do with my post? Non sequitor! Gerry Let's see if you can guess... :-) May God increase His Sprit within you, Gerry... Casey Quote
CaseyButler Posted October 20, 2006 Author Posted October 20, 2006 Originally Posted By: CaseyButler Your friends will not help you when you stand before God Almighty, answering for these messages condemning Him to be Satan. Shame on you. Casey For you to make such statements is extremely inappropriate. You apparently profess to speak for God, and here you are making statements such as these. And not only in the above post. You have made extremely negative statements about a number of us, saying that we are doing satan's work. but the test of each person's teaching is God's holy Word, the Bible. Noone has a right to claim direct communication with God. No mortal may profess to speak for God. God speaks through His Word, the Bible. But as for what you have said about others, I am reminded of the words of Jesus, 'With what measure you mete, it shall be meted to you.' According to those words, then, you will be judged by the standard you have judged others by, when you, too, stand before the judgment bar of God. You should be ashamed of yourself for making such pretentious and condemning statements about others. So be it according to your words: I have only judged you worthy of Life, Joy, and God's Eternal Mercy. You judge me as leading people astray, and all whom you claim God will kill as worthy of being burned to death. I have the mind of Christ, David. Surrender to God, come into His Light, and you will have too. Your words will then have no death in them. God bless you... Casey Quote
Norman Byers, N.D. Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 Casey, Quote: How can it be "concern" when I say I am sent here by God, and my message comes from the Bible, and is a message confirming God's Power and Love and Promise, and still it is called evil? Why will nobody tell me by what authority they contradict God's Promise and Oath to save the world? Casey, God permits you to come here so you can write what you believe. God is having mercy on you right now as He is trying to talk to you by His children. You are not sent here by God to bring a message from God. I have realized what has happened to you. You have ventured on Satans ground and have believe his lies. You have refused the truth and a strong delusion has snared you and I fear for you. You do not realize your danger, but we do. -------------------------------------------------------- To all I have never come across someone who has actually fulfilled the words of Paul to the Thessalonians "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" 2Th 2:10-11 It's sad, it's really sad, my heart hurts for this soul and tears fill my eyes as I think about his future. Oh Casey, Casey, what have you done? I also think of D. Allan who seems to believe as Casey does. For me this is a sobering experince and sorrow has rolled over me. I have learned to be more mindful of the truth and not to take it for granted. Anyone who is willing please pray for these two souls. In Christ, Norman Quote The unconditional pardon of sin never has been, and never will be. PP 522
CaseyButler Posted October 20, 2006 Author Posted October 20, 2006 I have never come across someone who has actually fulfilled the words of Paul to the Thessalonians "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" 2Th 2:10-11 Hi Norman, Tell me, does your righteousness exceed the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees? Jesus taught us what He will say from the Judgment seat to Christians who believe their brothers and sisters in belief or unbelief are going to be burned by God. He is going to say: "He that is without sin among you, let him burn the first sinner." When He said nearly the same thing to the Pharisees who were determined to stone the adulteress - which was exactly what the scripture commanded - not one Pharisee threw a stone, rather they all slowly dropped their stones, and walked away. Mrs. White tells us each was convicted by the Spirit of God in his own heart, and realized that his own righteousness was unclean before God. What are you going to do when Jesus asks? God bless you, Casey Quote
David Koot Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 Bring forth your scriptural proofs, David, I'll be happy to respond to them. Quote
CaseyButler Posted October 20, 2006 Author Posted October 20, 2006 Quote: Are you converted completely? I beg your pardon? that is an extremely inappropriate and demeaning question, which you have no business asking. Quote
David Koot Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 I don't think so. Those were His words. Quote
CaseyButler Posted October 20, 2006 Author Posted October 20, 2006 Originally Posted By: CaseyButler I have the mind of Christ, David. The Bible is the test of such a claim. Quote: Surrender to God, come into His Light, and you will have too. I have, and I am. The Light from heaven, shining through God's holy Word, the Bible, speaks clearly and unquestionably. I have welcomed that Light, and feel privileged to share that Light with others. That same Light from heaven, shining through God's Word, clearly and unequivocally says that your teaching of universalism is wrong, and is not in harmony with the Light from heaven. "When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. "Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth (it) empty, swept, and garnished. "Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last (state) of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation. "While he yet talked to the people, behold, (his) mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. "Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. "But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? "And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! "For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." [KJV-Bible: Matthew 12:43-50] Now Judas was standing right there with Jesus, Jesus Christ to Whom all power in heaven and earth is granted by the Real God. "For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ." [KJV-Bible: 1 Corinthians 2:16] God bless you, David. I have learned much from our exchanges. All will be saved by His blood. Jesus planted the seeds you are incubating, so I have full confidence God will bring you around soon. Casey Quote
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted October 20, 2006 Members Posted October 20, 2006 ::wanders into thread:: Casey said: Quote: I have the mind of Christ, David. egads. ::totally freaking the bejabbers outta me in *this* thread:: Quote Pam      Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Moderators Gerr Posted October 20, 2006 Moderators Posted October 20, 2006 ::wanders into thread:: Casey said: Quote: I have the mind of Christ, David. egads. ::totally freaking the bejabbers outta me in *this* thread:: And did you notice? He says he is not completely converted yet claims to have the mind of Christ. Figure that one out. Gerry Quote
Administrators Naomi Posted October 20, 2006 Administrators Posted October 20, 2006 Quote: Originally Posted By: rudywoofs::wanders into thread:: Casey said: Quote: I have the mind of Christ, David. egads. ::totally freaking the bejabbers outta me in *this* thread:: And did you notice? He says he is not completely converted yet claims to have the mind of Christ. Figure that one out. Gerry Personally, I have spent entirely too much time and energy trying to understand the understandable. sometimes we just have to leave it in God's hands. Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God
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