The state of the Pharisees

[D. Allan]

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universalism,.... That can very easily lull many into a false sense of security.

Sometimes I think, that it would not 'lull' any more that Paul's gospel of 'by grace thru faith.' In universalism, what is missing is faith. I think Casey is saying that the faith will come at 'the return' when 'every knee will bow.'

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John 1 says that Jesus was the true Light, "which lightens every man coming into the world." God loves each and every person, and finds a way to reach out to each one.

Every man! That is good news, David. Many don't want to believe that it applies to every man who never heard of Jesus: hindus, buddhists, etc.

[David Koot]

I think Casey is saying that the faith will come at 'the return' when 'every knee will bow.'

And that is what is directly contrary to the plain teaching of the Word of God. Before Jesus comes back, every case will have been decided for eternity. (Rev. 22:10 - 12, I think) There is no second chance. Secondly, the references to 'every knee will bow' do not speak of conversion. That is neither stated nor implied in the passage. Nor would it be. The Bible plainly teaches otherwise.

[D. Allan]

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There are some who have not heard the spoken word and they will be judged by the way they responded to their conscience.

Maybe that's the way we will all be judged?

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Not all accept however.

Are they accepting when they "bow the knee" at the 'return?'

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Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Rom 2:15 Which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Great verses. I'm glad I'm a 'gentile.'

[Naomi]

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Anyone can bow the knee.. And Every Man can see the light

No Pam, you're not wrong. There is much more to it than to bow, one must develop a personal relationship which comes thru conversations with Jesus thru prayer and mediation, a personal commitment, and study.

When the knee is bent God knows what is in the heart.

[Gerr]

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John 1 says that Jesus was the true Light, "which lightens every man coming into the world." God loves each and every person, and finds a way to reach out to each one.

Every man! That is good news, David. Many don't want to believe that it applies to every man who never heard of Jesus: hindus, buddhists, etc.

I would like to point out the verses that follow the above quote. [color:red]"He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name; who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." Jn 1:10-13 NKJ

There is nothing here that gives comfort to the rejecters of that Light. Some light comes to every man, whether the light from nature, preaching, or the printed Word, so that every mouth will be stopped without any excuse in the judgment.

Gerry

[D. Allan]

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Believing is an assent to something, only facts are nesscesary. True faith is a love response.

Excellent! That's what Jesus said, if i understand rightly. He said to the disciples in the boat, 'O' you of little faith, are your hearts hardened. It has been a comfort to me at times when i have doubted my own intellectual faith, to just let my heart trust in Him. Thanks for the reminder.

[Norman Byers, N.D.]

Hi D

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There are some who have not heard the spoken word and they will be judged by the way they responded to their conscience.

Maybe that's the way we will all be judged?

Paul answers that.

Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

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Not all accept however.

Are they accepting when they "bow the knee" at the 'return?'

No one bows the knee when Jesus returns. The wicked flee and call for the rocks and mountains to fall on them, and the righteous meet Him in the air. The knee bowing and confession that He is Lord takes place after the 1000 years.

Once Jesus returns no one will have any hope of being saved.

The Lord brought this verse to my mind after church today and I praised Him for this. I thought of you immediately so this must be for you.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

When Jesus returns He is coming back with out sin.

Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

He has born the sins of the world and when He returns He will not be bearing any one's sin. The Sacrifice was offered once for all. Those who reject Jesus and do not accept Him before His return will have no sacrifice for there sins. God does not just excuse sins (34:7 and that will by no means clear the guilty;) He provides for them One sacrifice and if the reject that then there is no hope.

Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

They will suffer a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

D. Allan, please tell me you can understand that if someone rejects the One and only sacrifice, that there is no more sacrifice left for them. That sacrifice is only offered till Jesus returns without sin. Sin will have been dealt with and the only thing left to do will be to destroy it and anyone who clings to it rejecting their only hope.

If the rejecters of His mercy were to be saved it would be necessary to have another sacrifice for them and that is not the plan of salvation

Norman

[LifeHiscost]

Once Jesus returns no one will have any hope of being saved.Norman

Would I be wrong if I reword your sentence to say this: Once Jesus returns, no one after that event occurs, will have any hope of being saved?

"For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

Therefore comfort one another with these words."

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 NASB

[D. Allan]

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If the believer is not found faithful

A semantic quibble: 'believer' and 'faithful' seems redundant. Let's say, if the 'person' is not...etc. As Norman said earilier, belief is a mere intellectual, human assent, faith is from the heart, and inspired by the Holy Spirit. We should not want to be 'believers' but rather 'faithers'.

[D. Allan]

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D. Allan, please tell me you can understand that if someone rejects the One and only sacrifice, that there is no more sacrifice left for them.

I can only speak for myself. (But somewhere in the Bible doesn't it say, 'if we reject Him, he does not reject us'?) Anyway I reject nothing, I accept all He wants to give me. What have I to lose?!?!? But I still think there were millions who never heard of Him. So they cannot be 'saved' by faith in Him. If saved by their response to their conscience... that would be salvation by works.

[Norman Byers, N.D.]

HI Life

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Would I be wrong if I reword your sentence to say this: Once Jesus returns, no one after that event occurs, will have any hope of being saved?

You could say that, either way, it means the same thing. When Jesus returns at the end of dealing with people's sin's, no one will have a sacrifice or an intercessor. After that we'll have 1000 years to judge men and angels

1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Norman

[Norman Byers, N.D.]

Hi D.

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(But somewhere in the Bible doesn't it say, 'if we reject Him, he does not reject us'?)

2Ti 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

These are the only verses I could find that state something like what you have written, neither mean what you wrote.

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But I still think there were millions who never heard of Him. So they cannot be 'saved' by faith in Him. If saved by their response to their conscience... that would be salvation by works.

That's right many have not heard of Him: I did not save that we are saved by faith nor does the Bible. It says we are saved by grace, what God has done, then we through faith experience this salvation and it becomes a reality for us.

As I explained before, believing is an assent, only facts are ncessary. True faith is a love response. It is the result of the Holy Spirit dwelling in us.

Paul talks about Gentiles, (those who have never heard of Christ or the Gospel in this case) being saved by their reponse to their conscience. In other words, concerning these Gentiles, the Holy Spirit speaks to all of them. They hear Him through their conscience. (Gentiles) "Which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)"Rom 2:15

So it is not only by their works, their works reveal the fact that they are listening to the Holy Spirit, or love God. All who have heard the Gospel and those who have not heard the Gospel, will have a choice to make and you shall know what they choose by their fruit or works. Their fruit or works do not save them.

Peter put it this way, "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh,(Works) but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:" 1Pe 3:21

I hope that helps, so what about my question concerning the sacrifice? Are you thinking about it seriously?

Norman

[CaseyButler]

Originally Posted By: D. Allan

I think Casey is saying that the faith will come at 'the return' when 'every knee will bow.'

And that is what is directly contrary to the plain teaching of the Word of God. Before Jesus comes back, every case will have been decided for eternity. (Rev. 22:10 - 12, I think) There is no second chance.

[David Koot]

The interpretation of Revelation's symbolism you are claiming "the Bible teaches" is not your own, rather it is from the studies of our pioneers and is over 100 years old now.

[Robert]

Gal 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows [lives] to please his sinful nature, from that nature he will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt. 7 For land which has drunk the rain that often falls upon it, and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. 8 But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed; its end is to be burned.

Not only will "some" reject Jesus, but some will accept Him and then reject Him.

Rob

[CaseyButler]

Not only will "some" reject Jesus, but some will accept Him and then reject Him.

Why is it Jesus they will reject when they have not seen Jesus?

The year is 1850.

Picture a small village of 100 people who have complete free will, but with no guidance from God. Sinners all, the village is constantly in uproar because of one crime or another, fraud, murder, theft, adultery, etc...

Because of the cries of the righteous sinners in that village, the Spirit of God is roused by the prayers of those righteous sinners who fear for their lives and property constantly, and God sends a Methodist preacher into the village to save them.

The Methodist preacher holds revival meetings, threatening hellfire and damnation to all who refuse to repent. In the middle of the village a Methodist Church is constructed. 50 people are baptized as saints and faithfully attend every Sunday, obeying their preacher along Methodist doctrine.

50 people could not believe the Methodist doctrine of death by hellfire and brimstone, some because they were criminals or greedy, some because they could not imagine themselves inflicting the kind of punishment on anyone that the preacher claimed God would inflict on the criminals.

So now we have a village of 100 people, 50 saints and 50 sinners.

Jesus said: "Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid." [KJV-Bible: Matthew 5:14]

Though 50 people in this village are classified as sinners, the 50 church faithful, by their very existence among the other villagers, influence the affairs of the entire village because they magnify God and His Law - and claim Jesus as their Savior.

In this way, because the sinners witness the fellowship and dedication and faithfulness of the Methodist saints, the entire village develops moral and civil codes that are fairly in tune with God's Law, both of which insure relative peace for both groups.

The Spirit of God is quieted.

Considering both groups are still in this sinful world, and both groups share free will...

Which group failed to do the Will of God?

Since all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God, which group could exist without the other?

Based on history, as time passes what can we speculate will happen next in the village?

Casey

[Yong T Tay]

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"But I still think there were millions who never heard of Him. So they cannot be 'saved' by faith in Him. If saved by their response to their conscience... that would be salvation by works."

We are saved by faith alone and not by our good works.

Those who accept Christ will be saved.

Those who reject Christ will not be saved.

Those millions/billions who never heard of Christ will be saved or will not be saved depending whether they will accept Christ or reject Christ should they have the oportunity to hear Christ.

God knows each of those millions/billions as who would accept Christ or who would reject Christ. Salvation is by faith and not by works to the human race whether that person had heard of Christ or not.

yongttay

[CaseyButler]

Again, you have God looking as a devil for your god forces his will upon his creation. No thanks!

I never said God will force. You are continuing to lie about and mischaracterize my messages. You still refuse by what authority you condemn God and Jesus as being untruthful in the Bible.

Is there a moderator in this section?

You say God won't force but God WILL KILL. And interesting and bloodthirsty concept worthy of man...

Yet we know God is Powerful and keeps His Promises.

If one soul that our Sovereign Loving God has sworn an Oath to save, one soul that Jesus suffered and died for in order to save, that all saints IN FAITH down through history have sacrificed their lives to save, if one of these precious souls actually perishes...

SATAN wins.

And our church shares responsibility because we chose the easy way to be "Christians" by Satan's doctrine of SELF salvation that leaves billions starving in the world, and then to be burned to death by God when He takes us, who need do nothing else than believe He's a Killer and Jesus is His Son, up to "Heaven".

Could this explain Jesus' description of the Synagogue of Satan? Could it be us and the 34,000 other forms of Christianity? Our collective refusal to listen to His Spirit as He advances mankind through the Plan of Salvation?

Nobody in the universe will follow such a death-god as we have Characterized the God who saved us.

Don't we Characterize God that way just because we are too imperfect to Love as He does?

Our church's theology regarding God's Character is a failed one, we can all see what not loving others as God does has brought upon the world because of death-god doctrine like we teach.

It wasn't always so. Adventists used to be Lights before the world because of their Love and willingness to serve God and spread the Gospel.

But today SELF is what we teach... I'm told that I don't NEED to love anyone, I don't NEED to witness Christ to anyone, I don't NEED to feed the poor, clothe the naked, visit the prisoners, I don't NEED to serve others unable to care for themselves, I don't NEED to seek God in Truth...

Nobody NEEDS to do any of that, they say...

But I'M SPECIAL, I'M saved because I believe in our church's representation of God and His Son!!

All I need to do is listen to it, genuflect to its "priests", "bishops", "cardinals" and "pope", give it money, buy its books and videos, sign my estate over to it, donate to it and get out of paying taxes...

And I too can act as God on forums like these by threatening my fellow saved brothers and sisters with torture from Him if they don't listen to what I say because I'm so much better and smarter than they are.

There is no understanding of the Love of God anymore. There is no faith in a Loving Savior anymore.

And assigning our evil to God doesn't work anymore either, Robert.

But May God bless you with Spiritual Eyesalve...

Casey

[CaseyButler]

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We are saved by faith alone and not by our good works.

Those who accept Christ will be saved.

Those who reject Christ will not be saved.

You, like me, are a sinner.

Works of the Law that won't save us are not the same as the Works of the Spirit that will save us as part of our faith.

It was never a Law of the Pharisees that the hungry be fed, the prisoners be visited, or the naked clothed...

But such are the Spritual works by which we will be judged.

Jesus said:

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

"And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth (his) sheep from the goats:

"And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

"Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

"For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

"Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

"Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed (thee)? or thirsty, and gave (thee) drink?

"When saw we thee a stranger, and took (thee) in? or naked, and clothed (thee)?

"Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

"And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done (it) unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done (it) unto me.

"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

"For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

"I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

"Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

"Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did (it) not to one of the least of these, ye did (it) not to me.

"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." [KJV-Bible: Matthew 25:31-46]

Did Jesus lie? Or did the man who told you works don't count lie?

Did Paul lie? Did James lie? Both taught the essential nature of Spiritual works to savlation.

What happens to the rest of the world when we fail to live life as Jesus taught, serving and helping others?

Does it not become hell on earth as it is now?

Could there be a lesson in that?

"What (doth it) profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

"If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

"And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be (ye) warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what (doth it) profit?

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" [KJV-Bible: James 2:14-20]

Between the writings of Paul and James, you'd almost think somebody was setting a trap in scripture for those vain men.

God bless you,

Casey

[Robert]

Originally Posted By: Robert

Not only will "some" reject Jesus, but some will accept Him and then reject Him.

Why....?

Because the Bible says so!!!!

[Robert]

Originally Posted By: Robert

Again, you have God looking as a devil for your god forces his will upon his creation. No thanks!

I never said God will force. You are continuing to lie about and mischaracterize my messages. You still refuse by what authority you condemn God and Jesus as being untruthful in the Bible.

[Robert]

Casey,

You say that when everyone sees Christ that they'll change their minds and convert. Let me give you Paul because he says things a bit different. Since he is divinely appointed (and you are not) I'll take his word and reject yours:

2 Thessalonians 1:7...when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

[David Koot]

Is there a moderator in this section?

Let the one who calls for a moderator's intervention, do so with clean hands.

[D. Allan]

Yongttay,

I don't believe in salvation by works. I was just saying for those millions who never heard of Christ and so never had faith in Him, that to be judged by their reactions to their consciences would be salvation by works; so that method cannot be right.

It seems that 'salvation' is not by works or faith, but solely by grace. Otherwise one might boast of his/her 'great faith.' Faith when it is available comes thru the heart and is a gift of God inspired by His Spirit. It makes salvation a palpable, actual, joyful certainty here and now in this world. For those unlucky enough to not recieve it they would have to be saved by 'Grace' alone with out the joys of 'faith.'

Grace.....We don't supply it. God does.

Faith.....We don't supply it. God does.

Works.....We don't do them... God works in us.

Love......We don't have it. It a gift of the Holy Spirit.

The 'ego' that husk we call self, wants to do everything its self. But you get everything on the list as soon as you become nothing, casting off the husk of the 'ego-self.' Do this by not identifing with it, but rather identify with the 'light' within you which 'lighteth every man that cometh in to the world'. You are then that true 'light,' One with Christ as John's gospel tells us. Those who don't do it in this life...their egoic-self-husk will be shed at death. All that will remain is the 'light' that lights every man that comes into the world. I don't know what happens to them then because they identified with the 'husk.' Maybe reason they 'call for the rocks to fall on them 'is because they want that 'husk' finally killed, and then identify with the 'Light.'

Perhaps 'heaven' is a metaphorical place, a symbol of the kingdom that we enter when we recieve the gifts of God listed above. Perhaps is exists on another dimension: one of the other 8 or 9 dimensions postulated by 'string theory.' I'll wait and see. Jesus said, the kingdom is 'at hand,' and that it is among/within you, that it comes not with observation. I lean toward the conclusion that heaven is a 'spiritual kingdom', not physical. So that doing good is its own reward. If your reason for loving God is 'heaven' what is your love worth? Love Him for His own Self! I'm just glad I met Him while I am alive. He's been so good. His love is so intense. I'm satisfied to die forever, if that is His Will.

Don't take my word for anything. Just spend time 'abiding in His Love' daily.

[CaseyButler]

Casey,

You say that when everyone sees Christ that they'll change their minds and convert. Let me give you Paul because he says things a bit different. Since he is divinely appointed (and you are not) I'll take his word and reject yours:

2 Thessalonians 1:7...when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

"Because our testimony among you was believed..."

That's the key, isn't it Robert?

You don't believe any of Paul's many testimonies that all will be saved, do you, because your church has taught you differently, so you won't allow yourself to hear as literal, as carnal, the Spiritual destruction he is describing that's to be suffered by those who do not believe when Jesus returns.

So which of us doesn't believe in God as Jesus Life Witnesses Him as preferring death rather than to use violence defending Himself against us, His creations?

Instead of seeking the Loving God Whom Jesus Witnessed, our church has you seeking and upholding a death-god that only Satan would encourage God's servants to believe in, because then they become like Satan, believing they are better judges than God, refusing to believe God is even as Fair or Truthful as they are.

Our church no longer encourages its people to spread the Gospel themsleves, instead it encourages brothers and sisters to condemn their fellow saints using the Spiritual words Paul used to describe the sudden conviction and repentence that will be the fate of those who do not believe.

Which is Spiritual "destruction".

None of Paul's mentions of Spritual destruction or Spiritual death symbolizing repentence contradicts the many passages in which He clearly says all will be saved.

None contradicts God's sworn Oath to His saints that all will be saved.

None contradicts Jesus sacrifice that all might be saved.

But our church, which has shut itself away from light from God for over 100 years, now is visible to all the world, along with Catholicism and most of Protestantism, as taking Satan's side by refusing that light in order make profit from the memberships they hold captive.,

Here's the test Jesus Christ has given his saints, ie. the meek and others who hear His voice, to discern whether people who attempt to judge them, or mislead them from God, have enough faith or belief to guide them or question their salvation Promised by God:

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." [KJV-Bible: Mark 16:16-18]

Can you do any of these things? I can't!

We haven't seen Jesus, we haven't seen the Apostles who could do these thnigs!

Because He was kill halfway into His 7-year ministry to us, Jesus has 3 1/2 years, 42 months, 1260 days left in His ministry on earth to witness God to everyone.

So if YOU don't believe according to Jesus own standards above, if you can't show me the signs He promised His believers would manifest...

Who are YOU to contradict God, who send YOU to contradict Jesus Christ's stated intention to save all mankind?

Neither one of us has the kind of belief necessary to judge anyone, because we can't perform these signs before either sinners or saints.

So according to Jesus Himself, WE ARE DAMNED.

Damned to suffer what, Robert?

As long as our church leaders refuse God's Covenant of Promise to all people, they are keeping their entire membership captive of the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN, now a commercial enterprise existing to enrich them, spanning the Christian denominations who are supporting secular government today by hiding God's Love and Power from all Christians who are captive.

Read Ezekiel Chapter 12!

Do you understand? Spiritual Israel will follow Ezekiel's example, they will dig through the "wall" and go VOLUNTARILY into captivity...

In order that Satan might believe He has won. But Satan will "die" in captivity instead.

That's where we are. Satan has the churches who believe God wil kill. Satan thinks he's winning because God's Character is represented today by evil people that lead others to believe that only they are good enough, pretty enough, to be saved.

Seek God through Jesus - the True Jesus who lives in your heart and Whom you know will never kill anybody, so you know that God will never kill anybody He has created.

May God bless you,

Casey