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Who knows one way or the other if the writer of Romans was ever married. He did have some nice things to say about love, but then he blew it when he wrote about not letting women say anything in the worship service.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Musicman, are you insinuating Paul carried on with women in his circle?

Jesus had women following Him in His ministry too. Does that make Him guilty of wrongdoing?

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Dr. Rich, the people here are being gentle compared to what you and your friends are attempting to do with the writings of Paul. If you consider it a "nasty habit", then you should stop trying to rub Paul's nose in his writings. So far, the only nose you've dirtied is your own.

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I have heard all that BS for so long from people like you that when I read what you wrote it makes me want to vomit! IF you believe that the writer of 1st Tim. was inspired by God, then why is it that you allow women to speak in church? You people are a bunch of wimps! You either obey the instructions given in 1st Tim. or not--period! And IF you find people who you think are blaspheming, then why don't you also do as Paul who "delivered over to Satan so that they may be taught not to blaspheme". (1st Time 1:20)

As for me, I find it very hard to understand why Paul ever said such a thing IF he was truely being led by Jesus.

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I have heard all that BS for so long from people like you that when I read what you wrote it makes me want to vomit! IF you believe that the writer of 1st Tim. was inspired by God, then why is it that you allow women to speak in church? You people are a bunch of wimps! You either obey the instructions given in 1st Tim. or not--period! And IF you find people who you think are blaspheming, then why don't you also do as Paul who "delivered over to Satan so that they may be taught not to blaspheme". (1st Time 1:20)

As for me, I find it very hard to understand why Paul ever said such a thing IF he was truely being led by Jesus.

Paul said that about women because of the culture he was in. Period. We are no longer in that culture. We also do not have slaves. If Jesus were living today ... he would speak out against slaves because it is the PC thing to do.

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I have always wondered about what the Holy Spirit said through the apostle Paul about women keeping silence with all submission. 1 Tim.2:11. I must say that it does make sense to say that it was the culture of the time. But can someone explain why then does the Holy Spirit, instead of saying it is because of "culture" He says, "For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control." 1 Tim.2:11-15.

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"The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.

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That was THEIR excuse back then ... NOW "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal 3:28

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he would speak out against slaves because it is the PC thing to do.

Yes he would speak out against slavery, but he never did anything because it was PC. Just the opposite is true.

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Then can you tell me why He didn't speak out against slavery?

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Deu 5:6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

He never endorsed slavery, but it was not an issue then.

Jesus spoke out against the way the Jews kept the Sabbath, and that was definately not PC.

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Slavery was not an issue during Jesus's time? Why did he tell them to obey their masters?

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I think that was Paul. Col. 3: 22.

John 3:16-17

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

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I have heard all that BS for so long from people like you that when I read what you wrote it makes me want to vomit! IF you believe that the writer of 1st Tim. was inspired by God, then why is it that you allow women to speak in church? You people are a bunch of wimps! You either obey the instructions given in 1st Tim. or not--period! And IF you find people who you think are blaspheming, then why don't you also do as Paul who "delivered over to Satan so that they may be taught not to blaspheme". (1st Time 1:20)

As for me, I find it very hard to understand why Paul ever said such a thing IF he was truely being led by Jesus.

If I am in Christ and I am a wimp, then is not then Christ a wimp?

Is your charge any different than calling a brother "fool"?

I believe so, therefore your charge stands under the condemnation that Jesus applied, does it not?

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I have always wondered about what the Holy Spirit said through the apostle Paul about women keeping silence with all submission. 1 Tim.2:11. I must say that it does make sense to say that it was the culture of the time. But can someone explain why then does the Holy Spirit, instead of saying it is because of "culture" He says, "For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control." 1 Tim.2:11-15.

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Sounds like an interesting topic... :-)

Mark

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Originally Posted By: Redwood
he would speak out against slaves because it is the PC thing to do.

Yes he would speak out against slavery, but he never did anything because it was PC. Just the opposite is true.

Jesus was PC?

Blasphemy.

The best wisdom is always second hand...

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Yes. Jesus was PC. He was wise. He knew that certain topics would not be received well and would only be misunderstood. It was not the rigtht time. This is why He didn't make an issue of slavery and women. The culture and politics did not make it wise.

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Yes. Jesus was PC. He was wise. He knew that certain topics would not be received well and would only be misunderstood. It was not the rigtht time. This is why He didn't make an issue of slavery and women. The culture and politics did not make it wise.

There is a distinct difference between pandering to a minorities opinions, than showing wisdom.

The way you express it implies Jesus had weakness...

Mark

The best wisdom is always second hand...

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Originally Posted By: skyblue888
I have always wondered about what the Holy Spirit said through the apostle Paul about women keeping silence with all submission. 1 Tim.2:11. I must say that it does make sense to say that it was the culture of the time. But can someone explain why then does the Holy Spirit, instead of saying it is because of "culture" He says, "For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control." 1 Tim.2:11-15.

sky

Sounds like an interesting topic... :-)

Mark

Yes, indeed! :) What are your thoughts on that? hehe

"The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.

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Originally Posted By: Redwood
Yes. Jesus was PC. He was wise. He knew that certain topics would not be received well and would only be misunderstood. It was not the rigtht time. This is why He didn't make an issue of slavery and women. The culture and politics did not make it wise.

There is a distinct difference between pandering to a minorities opinions, than showing wisdom.

The way you express it implies Jesus had weakness...

Mark

Mark, you mean, as though Jesus made compromises?

sky

"The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.

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Originally Posted By: Twilight

Sounds like an interesting topic... :-)

Mark [/quote']

Yes, indeed! :) What are your thoughts on that? hehe

I will save that for a topic thread! -)

The best wisdom is always second hand...

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Originally Posted By: Twilight

There is a distinct difference between pandering to a minorities opinions' date=' than showing wisdom.

The way you express it implies Jesus had weakness...

Mark [/quote']

Mark, you mean, as though Jesus made compromises?

sky

Exactly...

Sometimes I wonder if some posters have the sole intent of diminishing the Gospel in any way possible, in nearly every post they make...

The best wisdom is always second hand...

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Originally Posted By: skyblue888

Exactly...

Sometimes I wonder if some posters have the sole intent of diminishing the Gospel in any way possible, in nearly every post they make...

Are we not all saved and going to heaven no matter what we do?

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Originally Posted By: Twilight

Exactly...

Sometimes I wonder if some posters have the sole intent of diminishing the Gospel in any way possible, in nearly every post they make...

Are we not all saved and going to heaven no matter what we do?

It would seem some hold that view...

I would not call them "Adventist" though, is it not called "Universalism"?

Mark

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