The great "Ground Zero mosque" hoax

[bonnie]

A GP...

By the way that building that Muslims are wanting to put up a Mosque in, has been being used as such before 9/11, if I'm not mistaken! And this Iman that all are jumping on, he's been working with the US government for a number of years already. Doesn't anyone remember that President Bush used him, and/or was getting advice from him!!!!! But now that its Obama, its a bad thing!!!!! Wow talk about fear mongering. lol

It isn't the man. A number of things have been said about him in this ongoing debate but it is the BUILDING.

The objection is putting up anything that represents Islam. Their religious liberty to build a church/mosque has never been denied.

To claim you are "bridge builder" then keep blowing up the building is a little counter productive

[bonnie]

Wow... really? Your going to try and deflect the need for YOU as a CHRISTIAN to act like CHRIST by asking how Jesus would act if he were a NON CHRISTIAN MUSLIM?!?!??!?!?!? INSANE!!

What is it you think I have done that is unchristian other than to state I don't think the mosque should be built there.

There was no deflection intended.If it is insane to state that I believe Christ would cause as little hurt as possible,so be it.Legally they have the legal right to build there.

As for the 3000 innocent Americans who died on 911... how about the over 1 million civilians killed in

Iraq (which NEVER sent a TERRORIST to the US), and nearly 5million iraqi refugees due to the invasion of a country that neither had weapons of mass destruction, nor attacked the

USA during 911

There is a lot of information on the death of civilians,your over a million is widely inflated according to those that know more than you or I.The 3000 + americans died prior to that I believe.

Perhaps you were the one that should have given that intelligence information to President Bush.And Clintons,Kerry and all the others that said before going in Saddam was indeed a threat and needed to be stopped. Shameful the way that information was kept quiet by those objecting to go into Iraq.

Maybe we as Christians should stop trying to build churches and convert them, as it would be too painful for them considering the millions we, as a CHRISTIAN nation have killed and displaced in their LAND.

It might be helpful for you to deal with what was said.

The followers of Islam have not been denied the right to build their mosque's.

Seemed a little strange that there were those in Iraq that did not want the troop pull out in Iraq.

Wow Bonnie... nice doublespeak there... you've never implied that muslims are terrorists...but the fact that they deny they are is, according to you, "telling". What does it "tell" you? That they are, deep down inside, terrorists?

Try again to stick to what was said. I said it is telling that those that are many speaking on behalf of muslims and denying so forcefully that they are not all terrorists.Most know that and the ones that don't probably will not be convinced by building a mosque by ground zero

OK.. so Bonnie.. if this is NOT about religion, give me one good reason a Mosque cannot be built 2 blocks away from Ground Zero without mention what faith the people who will use the mosque adhere to. If this is not about religion are you then proposing that nothing... not a christian church, not a synagogue, not a supermarket or store can be built within 2 blocks of ground zero?

If this were about the religion of Islam and objection for those of that ideology,they would not have so many mosque's in this country.One that is 4-5 blocks away.

We have quite a few here and not all are what they are purported to be. Some have been used to recruit young men of the Islam faith to turn them into proper little terrorists.Does that mean that those of the Islam faith should not be allowed their place of worship. Nope

If you truly believe that information is not supressed/spun/fabricated/discarted as is seen fit by world governments for war/power/money, etc... well.. I've got a bridge to sell you in brooklyn.

Where on earth did you get the above statement? Please try to stick to what was said.I do not believe this conspiracy .The impossible numbers of individuals needed to accomplish this would have been astronomical.That many people cannot keep a secret.I have read some of the tripe that has been put out there.It belongs with the "We did not land on the moon"

By this reasoning hopefully no SDA churches exist in Waco Texas, as all members of the branch dividians were at one point SDA, and can be seen as extremist SDAs... and who knows how many more like them lurk in our churches.

I don't think it was SDA's that were responsible for the deaths at Waco,unless there is a new conspiracy.Like maybe the ATF etc were really SDA pastors dressed up as ATF.

Wow really?? Then why shouldn't they build a Mosque 2 blocks away from the WTC?!?!?!?

If they care about "healing wounds" they wouldn't.

Again, are you against ANY building in this spot.. or just a Muslim building.. even though you claim this is not about religion???????

Because of the varied families that lost loved ones I would like to see a memorial to them in that area. Much like the Viet Nam Memorial.

If the muslims are interested in reaching out they have chosen a odd way to do so

[doug yowell]

My question is this... what would Jesus do?

When speaking of the "Terrorists" of His day (The Romans), Jesus said that

we were to Love our Enemies, Love our Neighbors as ourselves. Jesus taught

that if slapped on the right cheek, we were to give the other cheek.. if forced

to walk a mile, we were to walk a 2nd, if our coat were taken we were to give

our shirt as well...

So again I ask, if this was Jesus' stand in regards to the Terrorists of his

day, what would Jesus Do?

Paula

Invite them to blow up the Oakland Bay Bridge during rush hour?

[doug yowell]

My question is this... what would Jesus do?

Secondly,

All Muslims are not Terrorists. Just as all Adventists are not Branch Davidians.

Paula

And no Branch Davidians attacked the Waco City Hall.They lived quietly and peacefully on their own compound. But 99% of terrorists attacking the U.S. and the world are Muslims.

[doug yowell]

My question is this... what would Jesus do?

Thirdly,

The Bible has just as many references to KILLING and CONQUERING as does the Koran.

The Bible espouses stoning, husbands killing wives who are unfaithful, killing those

who do not convert, and taking their land. In the name of Christianity, this world

was plunged into 1260 years of TERRORISM known as the Middle Ages.

So then, do we now ban all Christian churches????

Paula

So this would be the answer to your original question WWJD? Jesus and His Christian followers would reject the teachings of the Bible and create a new (nicer more compassionate)religion? Better check your Biblical espousals again.

[Gregory Matthews]

Doug said:

Quote:

And no Branch Davidians attacked the Waco City Hall.They lived quietly and peacefully on their own compound. But 99% of terrorists attacking the U.S. and the world are Muslims.

Document please.

[Gregory Matthews]

The quote below came form Wickepedia.

It does not suggest that 99% of the terriosts are Islamic.

NOTE: Some organizations are terriorist due to political/social/governmental issues. Not due to religious. IOW while some terriorists mayb e Islamic, that does not mean that they are terriorist due to religion.

E.g. The Taliban at one time was largely Islamic, although it now appears to have more non-Islamic members. In any case, the Talaban came into being for political reasons not religious. And, in the early days the U.S. gave the Taliban major support.

Quote:

This is a list of designated terrorist organizations by national governments, former governments and inter-governmental organizations, where the proscription has a significant impact on the group's activities. Many organizations that are accused of being a terrorist organization deny using terrorism as a military tactic to achieve their goals, and there is no international consensus on the legal definition of terrorism.

This listing does not include states or governmental organizations, which are considered under state terrorism, or unaffiliated individuals accused of terrorism, which are considered under lone wolf terrorism. This list also excludes groups that might be widely considered terrorist, but who are not officially so designated according to the criteria specified above.

Organization Australia

Canada

EU

UK

US

India

Russia

Abu Nidal Organization [1]

Abu Sayyaf Group [2] [1]

African National Congress [3][4]

Al-Aqsa e.V.

Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade

Al-Badr

Al Ghurabaa

al-Haramain Foundation

Al Ittihad Al Islamia

al-Qa'ida [2] [1]

al-Qa'ida in Iraq [2]

al-Qaeda Organization in the Islamic Maghreb [2]

Al-Umar-Mujahideen

All Tripura Tiger Force

Ansar al-Islam [2]

Ansar us-Sunna

Armed Islamic Group [1]

Asbat al-Ansar [1]

Aum Shinrikyo [1]

Babbar Khalsa [1]

Baluchistan Liberation Army

Communist Party of India (Maoist)

Communist Party of the Philippines/

New People's Army

Continuity Irish Republican Army

Cumann na mBan

Deendar Anjuman

Dukhtaran-E-Millat

Egyptian Islamic Jihad

Euskadi ta Askatasuna [1]

Fatah al-Islam

Fianna na hÉireann

Gama'a al-Islamiyya

GRAPO

Great Eastern Islamic Raiders' Front

Hamas [5] [1] [6]

Harakat-ul-Jihad-ul-Islami

Harakat-ul-Jihad-ul-Islami (Bangladesh)

Harakat ul-Mujahidin [1]

Harakat-Ul-Mujahideen/Alami

Hezb-e Islami Gulbuddin

Hezbollah [7] [1] [8]

Hizb ut-Tahrir

Hizbul Mujahideen

Holy Land Foundation

for Relief and Development

Hynniewtrep National Liberation Council

Informal Anarchist Federation[9]

International Sikh Youth Federation [1]

Islamic Army of Aden [1]

Islamic Jihad — Jamaat of the Mujahideen

Islamic Jihad Union

Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan

Irish National Liberation Army

Irish People's Liberation Organisation

Irish Republican Army

Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine

Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan

Jaish-e-Mohammed [1]

Jamaat Ul-Furquan

Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen Bangladesh

Jamiat ul-Ansar

Jamiat-e Islami

Jammu and Kashmir Islamic Front

Jemaah Islamiya [1]

Jund Ash Sham

Kach and Kahane Chai

Kanglei Yaol Kanba Lup

Kangleipak Communist Party

Khalistan Commando Force

Khuddam ul-Islam

Kurdistan Freedom Falcons

Kurdistan Workers' Party [1]

Lashkar-e-Toiba [1]

Lashkar-e-Jhangvi [1]

Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) [10] [1] [11]

Libyan Islamic Fighting Group

Loyalist Volunteer Force

Manipur People's Liberation Front

Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group

Mujahedin-e Khalq [12]

Muslim Brotherhood

National Democratic Front of Bodoland

National Liberation Army

National Liberation Front of Tripura

Nuclei Armati per il Comunismo

Nuclei di Iniziativa Proletaria

Nuclei Territoriali Antimperialisti

Nucleo di Iniziativa Proletaria Rivoluzionaria

Orange Volunteers

Palestine Liberation Front [1]

Palestinian Islamic Jihad [1]

People's Congress of Ichkeria and Dagestan [13]

People's Liberation Army of Manipur

People's Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak

Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine [1]

Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-

General Command [1]

Real IRA [14]

Red Brigades for the construction

of the Combative Communist Party

Red Hand Commando

Red Hand Defenders

Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia

Revolutionary Nuclei

Revolutionary Organization 17 November

Revolutionary People's Front

Revolutionary People's Liberation Party/Front

Revolutionary Struggle

Saor Éire

Saviour Sect

Shining Path[15]

Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan

Social Reform Society

Society of the Revival of Islamic Heritage

Stichting Al Aqsa

Students Islamic Movement of India

Supreme Military Majlis ul-Shura of the United Mujahideen Forces of Caucasus [13]

Takfir wal-Hijra

Taliban

Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi

Tamil Nadu Liberation Army

Tamil National Retrieval Troops

Ulster Defence Association

Ulster Freedom Fighters

Ulster Volunteer Force

United Liberation Front of Asom

United National Liberation Front

United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia

Vanguards of Conquest [1]

World Tamil Movement [1]

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3 Footnotes

4 External links

[bonnie]

If a fraction of what was said against SDA's on a SDA forum were used concerning the Islam faith there would be a fire storm.

A conservative SDA has all sorts of "complementary statements?"

made against them by SDA's.

All muslims are not terrorists,that is a straw man the keeps getting erected.

In our area the fear is not terrorism other than being aware now how easy it can happen.One of those involved in the planning of 9/11 was jailed 9 miles from me

We have a very large number of somalia muslims.There generally is two groups within that number.

The immigrant that assimilates,learns english,is able to support his family is a good neighbor and a asset. They do not feel that they are threatened to lose their heritage.No one requires them to.

The other group refuses to assimilate,refuses offers of friendship,refuses to learn english, does not work as a result,demands the US taxpayer take care of them and their family.

A handicapped college student was forced out of college here because of complaints by a muslim.His service dog was against the musslim religion. He threatened to kill the dog if the handicapped student brought it to class again.

Instead of taking a strong stand the college sat on the fence dithering,afraid to go against the muslim community.

Stores here have been sued for not giving paid prayer time to muslims,over and above their paid breaks.

Some of their most vocal critics are the first group.The two groups do not mix.

The same is true of all types of immigrants.

I do not believe the second group behave this way because they are muslim.They do so because they can.

If the mosque were an outreach endeavor it should not be placed where it is so upsetting to families that lost so much.

So far I don't recall reading why it must be right there.There is a mosque within 4-5 blocks of this location.Obviously they have not been denied because of religious reasons

[doug yowell]

The quote below came form Wickepedia.

It does not suggest that 99% of the terriosts are Islamic.

Ok GM. What % of those listed would be Muslim? What is the breakdown of those "terrorists" who have attacked the U.S. Take away Timothy McVay and what % of non-Muslims constitute a terrorist threat to the U.S.today?(not 1971) Who's mainly responsible for the terrorist actions in Bangladesh, Chechnya,Iraq, Afganistan,Moscow, India, the Philippines,Indonesia,Spain,France,UK,Africa,ect... Would it be more accurate to put the figure at,say,88%? Or 79%? Do you think it's more like 50/50?

[phkrause]

Originally Posted By: pkrause

A GP...

By the way that building that Muslims are wanting to put up a Mosque in, has been being used as such before 9/11, if I'm not mistaken! And this Iman that all are jumping on, he's been working with the US government for a number of years already. Doesn't anyone remember that President Bush used him, and/or was getting advice from him!!!!! But now that its Obama, its a bad thing!!!!! Wow talk about fear mongering. lol

It isn't the man. A number of things have been said about him in this ongoing debate but it is the BUILDING.

The objection is putting up anything that represents Islam. Their religious liberty to build a church/mosque has never been denied.

To claim you are "bridge builder" then keep blowing up the building is a little counter productive

I would agree with you, but the building was already being used for worship by Muslims. I would really be against this moving there from another location, or if they were just wanting to open up a new mosque/recreation place, but this is not the story we've been lead to believe. Its been there for years, and from what I've gathered many years. And from what I've also gathered this Iman has been a bridge between our government and the middle east for President Bush and now for Obama. I don't see the problem now that more info is coming to light.

[bonnie]

I would agree with you, but the building was already being used for worship by Muslims. I would really be against this moving there from another location, or if they were just wanting to open up a new mosque/recreation place, but this is not the story we've been lead to believe. Its been there for years, and from what I've gathered many years. And from what I've also gathered this Iman has been a bridge between our government and the middle east for President Bush and now for Obama. I don't see the problem now that more info is coming to light.

I can't imagine that the Burlington Coat Factory was being used for worship among the coats.

It closed after it was damaged in 9/11

[doug yowell]

Originally Posted By: pkrause

I would agree with you, but the building was already being used for worship by Muslims. I would really be against this moving there from another location, or if they were just wanting to open up a new mosque/recreation place, but this is not the story we've been lead to believe. Its been there for years, and from what I've gathered many years. And from what I've also gathered this Iman has been a bridge between our government and the middle east for President Bush and now for Obama. I don't see the problem now that more info is coming to light.

I can't imagine that the Burlington Coat Factory was being used for worship among the coats.

It closed after it was damaged in 9/11

Facts are important to an argument, but facts can also be used to mislead in an argument,agreed?According to the report this potential Mosque site is not at ground zero but a full 2 blocks from it?A couple of questions need to be clarified.1)How long are those two blocks?400ft.?4000ft.? 2)If the potential Mosque is not in the shadow of the Twin Towers site(very small shadows?)why was the building closed due to damages incurred by the debris from the 9/11 destruction?( wind factor?)The fact that one can longer see the Mosque site from an empty ground zero (as opposed to the view from the 99th floor before the incident)hardly qualifies as a hoax or misleading information.

[phkrause]

Facts are important to an argument, but facts can also be used to mislead in an argument,agreed?According to the report this potential Mosque site is not at ground zero but a full 2 blocks from it?A couple of questions need to be clarified.1)How long are those two blocks?400ft.?4000ft.? 2)If the potential Mosque is not in the shadow of the Twin Towers site(very small shadows?)why was the building closed due to damages incurred by the debris from the 9/11 destruction?( wind factor?)The fact that one can longer see the Mosque site from an empty ground zero (as opposed to the view from the 99th floor before the incident)hardly qualifies as a hoax or misleading information.

Here are some facts about this so-called ground zero mosque.

And again read my previous posts, I did say that I wasn't sure how long they were there, did I not? I had heard that it had been there awhile, I believe that that is what I said.

[bonnie]

Here are some facts about this so-called ground zero mosque.

And again read my previous posts, I did say that I wasn't sure how long they were there, did I not? I had heard that it had been there awhile, I believe that that is what I said.

This is what I was referring to......

I would agree with you, but the building was already being used for worship by Muslims. I would really be against this moving there from another location, or if they were just wanting to open up a new mosque/recreation place, but this is not the story we've been lead to believe. Its been there for years, and from what I've gathered many years

[phkrause]

This is what I was referring to......

I would agree with you, but the building was already being used for worship by Muslims. I would really be against this moving there from another location, or if they were just wanting to open up a new mosque/recreation place, but this is not the story we've been lead to believe. Its been there for years, and from what I've gathered many years

So now I suppose we need to debate what is many years? For me a couple stands for 2, a few means 3 and many means at least 5 or more. So I guess it fits in very well! Now I also said that this is what I had heard or as in the post above gathered from some news stations.

[bonnie]

Wikipedia

Muslims

The building of the mosque near Ground Zero was criticized by some other Muslims.

One was Sufi Muslim mystic Suleiman Schwartz, Executive Director of a Washington, DC non-profit organization, the Center for Islamic Pluralism. He said that building the mosque barely two blocks from Ground Zero is inconsistent with the Sufi philosophy of simplicity of faith and sensitivity towards others[30], disregards the security of American Muslims and the radical associations maintained by Imam Rauf.[127]

Another founding member of the Center for Islamic Pluralism, Zuhdi Jasser, who is also the founder of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, a group of Muslim professionals in the Phoenix Valley of Arizona, strongly opposed the mosque, saying:

For us, a mosque was always a place to pray...—not a way to make an ostentatious architectural statement. Ground Zero shouldn't be about promoting Islam. It's the place where war was declared on us as Americans."[30] Neda Bolourchi, a Muslim whose mother died in 9/11, said: "I fear it would become a symbol of victory for militant Muslims around the world."[128]

Authors Raheel Raza and Tarek Fatah, board members of the Muslim Canadian Congress, said:

We Muslims know the ... mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation, to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith, ... as "Fitna," meaning "mischief-making" that is clearly forbidden in the Koran.... As Muslims we are dismayed that our co-religionists have such little consideration for their fellow citizens, and wish to rub salt in their wounds and pretend they are applying a balm to sooth the pain.[129]

Hossein Kamaly, Term Assistant Professor of Asian and Middle Eastern Cultures at Barnard College, Columbia University, observed:

After all, it was 19 Egyptian and Saudi Arabian thugs calling themselves Muslims who perpetrated this heinous crime on September 11th. They want to send a message of friendship, but building a mosque where there wasn't one before, is not the most nuanced way of doing that.[130]

Akbar Ahmed, Ibn Khaldun Chair of Islamic Studies at American University, while noting that blaming all Muslims for 9/11 was "ridiculous", said:

I don't think the Muslim leadership has fully appreciated the impact of 9/11 on America. They assume Americans have forgotten 9/11 and even, in a profound way, forgiven 9/11, and that has not happened. The wounds remain largely open [...] and when wounds are raw, an episode like constructing a house of worship—even one protected by the Constitution, protected by law—becomes like salt in the wounds.[131]

He goes on to say that, in his opinion, if the center is constructed as well as a mosque it should contain a memorial and an ecumenical house of worship.[132]

Abd Al-Rahman Al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television, also criticized the project in a column titled “A House of Worship or a Symbol of Destruction?” in the Arab daily A-Sharq Al-Awsat, saying:

Muslims do not aspire for a mosque next to the September 11 cemetery...the mosque is not an issue for Muslims, and they have not heard of it until the shouting became loud between the supporters and the objectors, which is mostly an argument between non-Muslim US citizens! [133][134]

Gamal Abd Al-Gawad, director of Al-Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies in Cairo, opposes Park51, saying:

Many Muslims fear that the mosque will become a shrine for Islamists, which would remind Americans of what Muslims did on 9/11...Some people express concern that if the mosque will be built, it will harm Muslims and Islam in America. It’s not good for Muslims and Islam to be in the heart of such a controversy [135][134]

[Dr. Shane]

Telling any religion they cannot build in a given location because the members of the community don't like them is insane. This has to be a media-driven story looking for ratings. Conservatives have been the ones making the most noise about this story and they (conservatives) are champions of private property rights.

There are two major issues in this story.

1) Religious liberty

2) Private property rights

Why would we want to stop Muslims from using this property as they see fit? Even if they were radicals, if they break the law, we arrest them.

[jasd]

>>By the way that building that Muslims are wanting to put up a Mosque in, has been being used as such before 9/11,<< [ed.jasd]

Oh, really?—were that so, can you think of nothing salient having since occurred – that might bear upon the matter?

>>And this Iman that all are jumping on, he's been working with the US government for a number of years already. Doesn't anyone remember that President Bush used him, and/or was getting advice from him!!!!!<< [ed.jasd]

Ahhh, “used him” – as does the Muslim Brotherhood – and other extremist Muslim associates...? Interestingly, Dubya ‘was also getting advice’ from Dems!—what’s that say?—that either he glad-handed too much or there were more times than not that he simply wanted to be liked. Sorry judgement.

>>But now that its Obama, its a bad thing!!!!!<<

It is upon Obama’s watch that the desire to build a Muslim complex upon Ground Zero – becomes a focussed issue.

>>Wow talk about fear mongering.<<

I see a lot of righteous indignation and a lot of whizzed-off people – but where dah fear, eh?

Teach your children the measure of discernment – for it is from within this realm they will hear the bells of zeitgeist toll – by the which also they may tell substance from shadow, the Quranic al-Taqiyya of the counterfeit of deceit - from the gestalt of truths – as in the verities of jasd, in those very verities...

>>lol<<

Like, way too jejeune?

[jasd]

>>...and wish to rub salt in their wounds and pretend they are applying a balm to sooth the pain.<< [ed.jasd]

Ahhh, the Quranic al-Taqiyya.

Burly! Burly! Burly! post, bonnie.

[jasd]

>>Telling any religion they cannot build in a given location because the members of the community don't like them is insane.<<

What is insane is massaging our penchant for attributing our basic goodness to everyone else – dang how they perceive us! That is insane! We ought err on the side of caution for the sake of our children. Our liberties carry with them a price – for us, the natural inheritors of our father’s bequest, our nation – and especially those whose fellows have declared war on us the American peoples.

>>This has to be a media-driven story looking for ratings. Conservatives have been the ones making the most noise about this story and they (conservatives) are champions of private property rights.<<

We’re also champions of zoning laws, the police powers of our cities, and so on...

>>Why would we want to stop Muslims from using this property as they see fit? Even if they were radicals, if they break the law, we arrest them.<<

Aww sheesh!—how does one answer THAT!? First, the site is zoned commercial – and the Córdoba House plans to build residential units... Second, how many mosques have we either closed down or arrested their worshippers?—knowing that they were committing felonies – yet, I cannot recall even one of them that measurably suffered for their lawlessness.

Sorry, I forgot, you’ve a unique perspective on lawlessness... :-(

Besides, our energy policies for too many decades have made us vulnerable to the Muslim community.

[bonnie]

>>...and wish to rub salt in their wounds and pretend they are applying a balm to sooth the pain.<< [ed.jasd]

Ahhh, the Quranic al-Taqiyya.

Burly! Burly! Burly! post, bonnie.

None of us is capable of walking in the shoes of the victims families of 9/11.That probably goes for James Standish as well.

No one here can relate to waiting and watching day after day hoping and praying the next survivor brought out would be their loved one.When all hope was gone waiting and praying the remains of their loved one would be brought out.

Some are more than happy to pass judgment and to accuse them of a hoax.

No one here can say for sure how they would react if their family member had jumped out the window to escape burning to death,buried under rubble or brought out in pieces.

I can't relate to what horror that was.

Putting that mosquue there would not be any different than if the family of the drunk that killed my sisters wanted to put up a memorial to him a short distance away. Just to heal old wounds.

I don't think I would be to happy and it would not be a hoax

[Overaged]

hear the bells of zeitgeist toll – by the which also they may tell substance from shadow, the Quranic al-Taqiyya of the counterfeit of deceit - from the gestalt of truths – as in the verities of jasd, in those very verities...

>>lol<<

Like, way too jejeune?

Your Skinner's Box verities are the only "fear" I see in this thread. But I will give you "credit." You are good at twisting people's words.

[lazarus]

Putting that mosquue there would not be any different than if the family of the drunk that killed my sisters wanted to put up a memorial to him a short distance away. Just to heal old wounds.

I don't think I would be to happy and it would not be a hoax

It would be different. If someone wanted to put a erect a mosque honoring the 19 hijackers that would be the equivalent. Your analogy is a great example of prejudice in this instance. Since the attackers were Muslims so all Muslims should be judged in this way. It's naked and raw prejudice.

Ann Coulter was not roundly condemned by the right when she made her disgusting comments about 911 widows. The "think of the victims" argument is so self serving on the part of the some of the pundits and politicians who use it.

[bonnie]

It would be different. If someone wanted to put a erect a mosque honoring the 19 hijackers that would be the equivalent. Your analogy is a great example of prejudice in this instance. Since the attackers were Muslims so all Muslims should be judged in this way. It's naked and raw prejudice.

[Dr. Shane]

The victims would be much better off if they forgave the hi-jackers. For that matter, the entire country would be much better off if we forgave the hi-jackers. That doesn't mean we stop hunting them down and holding them accountable. It means we bury the axe.